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Finally got around to figuring out how the new beacons work in the K248 mod, and they are kind of interesting. They can have a lot more effects as the 2nd tier beacon transmits 4 modules and over a wide enough range that you can actually do a double ring around an assembler. They eat power like crazy though, at 4MW per beacon so they will certainly force me into using the K248 advanced power stuff sooner rather than later. My first thing I used the beacons for was to re-do my plastic production (or part of it anyway) and I was able to get an entire blue belt of plastic out of a single yellow assembler.  Next I tackled green circuits just because I needed to redo them anyway, and I ended up with a rather odd looking configuration on my first try. A much more compact design could definitely be done, but I just went with this since it works and space isn't an issue and sometimes compact is boring.  I captured the screenshot at a bad time as I figured out shortly after this that the big central transmitter array was running low on one of the liquid fuels it needs so I wasn't getting the complete effect. It should show slightly over a full blue belt per assembler, but I didn't notice that the screenshot didn't capture the full regular output. I fixed the issue causing it to slow down right after this.
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I started playing the space exploration mod yesterday and am having fun. I'm still in early game and I can see why they added more in-between steps to most recipes: it's a good way to raise crafting time without raising ingredient counts and it encourages automation . I just don't like it much, since I like to plan my factories out all at once, though I have promised not to use a main bus this time. We will see how far into this I actually get before I give up, as per usual with this sort of thing.
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I am slowly chugging along with my Krastorio 2 game. Krastorio science prices are too small, I think; I ran out of chemical science technologies long before I had the next tier of science set up. As such, I consoled in 400% higher tech prices, and now everything is on pace. I actually recommend doing something like this when playing Krastorio, although maybe not as extreme as multiplying them by 500%. (I'm still using RSO so I have a lot of resources available to me.) I would start with a 2x multiplier once you reach blue science (no need to extend the early game), and then maybe go up to 3x or so later. It's funny how an RSO game can go off the rails with accidental buffers, though. My science production completely stalled because all my train depot unloading spots used 18x steel chests as a buffer for unloading, and my steel plates train was going around handing 18*40*200 steel plates to really silly places like my nuclear processing plant before they went to things like low-density structures that I actually needed. I've also realized, sadly, that I have become a giant lazy bum when it comes to malls. I just can't live without requester chests; it's so drat convenient to just slap something down for every new recipe. I have always been a yellow before purple player; after all, yellow has cool stuff like "artillery" and "cluster grenades", whereas purple just has lame boring things like "level 3 modules" or "blue belts". But now it's terminal.
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i havent played passed like just after early train science before and havent played in foever but captain of industry makes me want to play a full on much better factory game so im goin in blind passed that stage, prepare for pics of my poo poo rear end factory and me asking for help. edit: unmodded too, i want those steam achievements, i have none currently.
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 heres progress so far. automated belts and inserters. i feel like my mining setup is hosed up because as soon as i mine on the other side of the belt its all gonna be mixed up, ill have to like, separate the coal and ore onto separate belts and then rejoin them or something. 
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Jun 16, 2022 22:05
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queeb posted:
If you connect belts in a T or + shape, everything will only end up on one side of the belt (like the coal in the middle of your second image). Do the same with your iron and nothing should get mixed up
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Jun 16, 2022 22:22
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Or live the chaos life and deal with the mixed lanes. Posting screenshots will trigger some hefty reactions from the megabase crowd.  (the community calls them sushi belts, it's fun to read about)
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Now hold on, sushi belts are a specific setup that purposefully mixes lanes in a fixed ratio, not just randomly letting things get mixed up.
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nrook posted:I am slowly chugging along with my Krastorio 2 game. Krastorio science prices are too small, I think; I ran out of chemical science technologies long before I had the next tier of science set up. As such, I consoled in 400% higher tech prices, and now everything is on pace. I actually recommend doing something like this when playing Krastorio, although maybe not as extreme as multiplying them by 500%. (I'm still using RSO so I have a lot of resources available to me.) I would start with a 2x multiplier once you reach blue science (no need to extend the early game), and then maybe go up to 3x or so later. Trains can cause interesting buffer issues. I've become totally dependent on TSM (Train Supply Manager) to handle my trains regardless of what other mods I'm playing with. I set up 2 unloading stations for each high-volume item like iron ore, and set the primary amount to something like 48000 ore (adjusted based on how fast I'm using it and how long the delay is from the time I call a full ore train to the time it arrives, and then set a lower trigger of 42000 (slightly less than 1 full 1-4 train load of ore) on the secondary unloading. That way only the primary station is used unless the demand is higher than 1 train can supply, and then the secondary station starts working. This solves two problems - first, it obviously gives that station a much higher volume throughput, being able to unload 2 trains at a time, but secondly it gives me a good visual idea if my ore is falling behind if I start seeing the secondary station in operation regularly and I can take a look at adjusting things if needed. TSM uses pooled supply depots where full trains sit waiting for a call, so you can shunt multiple mining outposts into a single supply depot and then call those trains to multiple unloading stations without worrying about balancing your mines output to individual unloading stations, you just need to make sure you have enough mines and trains to keep up with the combined demands of your unloading stations. Also agree with you on malls. Bot-based malls, especially with modded games (like this 248K overhaul mod) where I never know how many more building types I am going to need to make as the game progresses.
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queeb posted:
You're doing good. Like Tamba said, T belts are the way to go here, and are in fact the standard way of setting up furnaces until late game. The only thing you haven't done is figure out how to supply the other side of the iron plate belt, but that doesn't matter until you scale up more.
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gonna swap miners over to T belts soon i think. feeling proud of my little atomation area but lol, should made more room: 
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The Locator posted:Trains can cause interesting buffer issues. I've become totally dependent on TSM (Train Supply Manager) to handle my trains regardless of what other mods I'm playing with. I set up 2 unloading stations for each high-volume item like iron ore, and set the primary amount to something like 48000 ore (adjusted based on how fast I'm using it and how long the delay is from the time I call a full ore train to the time it arrives, and then set a lower trigger of 42000 (slightly less than 1 full 1-4 train load of ore) on the secondary unloading. That way only the primary station is used unless the demand is higher than 1 train can supply, and then the secondary station starts working. To give an alternative to this: I used to use TSM but since 1.1 came out with the train limit option I feel like it's no longer needed unless you want really complex request setups. Wire up all the chests in your consumer stations (i.e. where steel is getting dropped off) and do a very simple circuit setup to divide the value by the amount in the chests to set the amount of trains that can show up at the station. To give a concrete example, if you steel train holds 16k steel plates, and you want to keep 32k in storage at all times, do ((16k / [current storage]) + 1). Then wire that number up to your "train count" at the station. Any time your steel storage drops below 32k, it will allow a train to path there (which would fill it to 48k). If your count drops below 16k, it will allow two train to path there. If it's above 32k, no train will ever path there This is pretty simplified, but it ensures your trains won't just constantly path to stations that don't need anything. If someone wants a bigger effort post, I have full designs for providers/consumers that sets appropriate train counts at all stations to ensure nothing ever gets stuck, along with full/empty train buffer stations to keep the network unclogged, all using vanilla train mechanics. In my circuit setups I define max counts as well, to make sure trains don't stack up outside the station buffer and into main tracks which produces deadlocks. It's built for my K2 megabase setup so it's built to be very robust, I've ran a 5k SMP K2 setup (which is roughly analogous to 10k vanilla) for about 100 hours with this setup with zero deadlocks or supply problems. I do still keep TSM installed, but these days the only thing I use it for is auto-refuelling stations, everything else felt overkill with TSM now that vanilla train stations are so powerful with much simpler setups.
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holy gently caress its ugly but i figured it out
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There are a couple ways to do that much more elegantly, but you're making really rapid progress and you should be happy with yourself.
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queeb posted:holy gently caress its ugly but i figured it out That's awesome.
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Taffer posted:To give an alternative to this: Absolutely valid points. I just keep using TSM because I have a very thorough understanding of how to set it up and make it work the way I want it to, and just never felt the need to relearn how to do things with the new built in train mechanics and the train limit option. I like the way the TSM supply depot's work. Ultimately though, it's more because I've been too lazy to figure out how to make it work smoothly using the new in-game system.
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K8.0 posted:There are a couple ways to do that much more elegantly, but you're making really rapid progress and you should be happy with yourself. i played a bit awhile ago but i was legit just copying from a katherinofsky video and learning nothing up to green science, so I get things like the main bus and stuff but figuring this poo poo out solo hurts my brain but also feels dope when it works, lol i'll look up the better ways after i launch a rocket in the 80 hours this is gonna take me.
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queeb posted:i played a bit awhile ago but i was legit just copying from a katherinofsky video and learning nothing up to green science, so I get things like the main bus and stuff but figuring this poo poo out solo hurts my brain but also feels dope when it works, lol I absolutely support this system of doing things. Discovery is fun!
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 day 1 end progress. i got some stone going, probably to make walls i guess? do i need a lot of stone later? my little mall in the middle left there is coming along, just automated fast inserters which are dope. i currently have 4 assemblers making gears which makes me think i should belt it, at least in my mall but i dunno.
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You don't need a ton of stone, but if you pave the world you can use quite a lot of it. It's easy to overlook, but it's worth doing since you move faster on it.
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Playing Sea Block, and I recall years ago there was a browser kind of like Minecraft JEI, to see recipes available. Is it included, do I need to add it myself? What's it called?
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Devor posted:Playing Sea Block, and I recall years ago there was a browser kind of like Minecraft JEI, to see recipes available. Is it included, do I need to add it myself? What's it called? FNEI https://mods.factorio.com/mods/npo6ka/FNEI
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queeb posted:
I absolutely love the iron and circuit pinwheel.
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K8.0 posted:You don't need a ton of stone, but if you pave the world you can use quite a lot of it. It's easy to overlook, but it's worth doing since you move faster on it. You also need some stone to make concrete to make nuclear reactors, and for walls for military science.
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The Locator posted:You also need some stone to make concrete to make nuclear reactors, and for walls for military science. purple science takes a significant amount of stone as well
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Trying to look into mods that add more tiers of power, currently using krastorio and SE, but krastorio doesn't have higher tier accumulators which is a problem, any suggestions for mods? 5dim's energy seems to be somewhat what I'm looking for but jesus gently caress can't that person at least write a simple description?
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I automated green science in SE, realized that I may have bitten off more than I could chew, and started up a vanilla game instead. I still have all the files I need to continue the SE game, but for now it's just too stressful to play. That said, I'm finding vanilla boring too, so maybe I'll restart a game on peaceful mode, or with no biters.
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queeb posted:
Fun future trick: inserters can take items from research stations so you can build chains of research stations without belts, just connect them to each other with inserters. There's a practical limit to how much you can do with this otherwise the stations spend too much time idle but it is a fun enhancement.
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xzzy posted:Fun future trick: inserters can take items from research stations so you can build chains of research stations without belts, just connect them to each other with inserters. There's a practical limit to how much you can do with this otherwise the stations spend too much time idle but it is a fun enhancement. It's also worth noting the practical limit is quite high, I was well into the post-game using a single set of inserter chained research labs with minimal downtime. It's not an issue during the course of normal play.
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Counterpoint, rings of colorful belts look awesome.
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I still use a sushi science system a la this just because it looks good. https://www.factorio.school/view/-MGitGmg8AH5zjZ0-txq The changes AAI does to recipes is so annoying because it ruins basically every bp I have lol Nalesh fucked around with this message at 19:09 on Jun 18, 2022 |
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Finally, black circuits. I've been procrastinating for like a month lol. First priority is sorter 5's so that I can get tungsten and platinum as direct outputs. Unfortunately nothing doing about chrome in that way. Then I guess white science and a redo of plastic/rubber/resin now that I can make yellow catalysts, then to explore nuclear power. Maybe select module 2s also. Then I guess train and megabase scaling for the endgam.
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:Finally, black circuits. I've been procrastinating for like a month lol. Is that just an angel/bobs game?
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Seablock! This circuit production is really revealing all my latent bottlenecks that's for sure.
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I remember having a mod that basically changed blueprints into a prepared mode where you had to drag over it by another tool before it started building em, anyone remember the name of the mod?
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Anyone try out that Spaceblock thingamajig? Seems like instead of generating things from the sea it's more about generating positive feedback loops and skimming the excess for the next, higher tier, feedback loop.
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I've forgotten how painful it is to not have robots, any suggestions on an early bots mod?
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Nalesh posted:I've forgotten how painful it is to not have robots, any suggestions on an early bots mod? Nanobots is a pretty well balanced early one where it's just a consumable item that fires from your weapon slot. There's some upgrades to keep make them faster as you tech up through green and red science. Not terribly expensive but annoying enough that upgrading just basic construction drones still feels good. NCompanion Drones definitely feel more... cheaty. They build super fast and you can put a poo poo ton of lasers on them to wreck biter nests, too.
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Nalesh posted:I've forgotten how painful it is to not have robots, any suggestions on an early bots mod? There are a ton of options, just google "Factorio Bot Start" and you'll find a bunch, just kinda depends on how cheaty you want to be I guess. For me the early game and hand placing is tedious and I don't really want to do it much, so I use something like this: https://mods.factorio.com/mod/BuilderBotStart Not that exact mod, but something similar. I didn't start with the exoskeleton, night vision or belt immunity that this mod gives you.
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