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As an opening move for increased consideration of others, maybe there should be a meta thread or a discord or something for discussing the discussion of the let's play. Surely that would be more appropriately targeted to people who care than ITT
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The Heavensward trailer is a spoiler. You probably shouldn't watch that before you get to Heavensward.
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Jun 16, 2022 21:34
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The Monarch posted:No my argument is that you should show consideration to others. Fundamentally you can't decide for others what they do or don't care about. Think up any strawman you want but these conversations always start because someone got upset over having something spoiled for them. I can assure you, this conversation was started by someone who was up-to-date and began scolding people under the premise of protecting Stormblood-era plot developments without there being any apparent need shown for such "consideration." Edit: and a number of the most ridiculous examples getting brought up might sound like strawmen, and in a better world they would be, but they are not. They are references to specific incidents. That they sound like strawmen speaks volumes about the degree to which this issue has gotten out of hand. Runa fucked around with this message at 23:26 on Jun 16, 2022 |
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Jun 16, 2022 21:35
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All trailers are spoilers. Even movie ones. Every day, millions of people get things spoiled for them. The destruction is unthinkable
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A Moose posted:All trailers are spoilers. Even movie ones. Every day, millions of people get things spoiled for them. The destruction is unthinkable Not really because most trailers nowadays edit scenes so much or even make up wholesale new fake stuff that you gain nothing. I can tell you a certain film that came out recently had zero trailers showing the actual plot. (Which itself is a poison of spoiler culture, cause lying in promotional materials not to spoil the twist ends up being fake advertising and fucks you over if it turns out it was a different experience?).
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Jun 16, 2022 21:59
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Chillgamesh posted:"You should show consideration for others", I demand, while offering no consideration for others myself That's the funniest thing about this, really. Spoilerphobes think the entire internet should bend itself to accommodate them.
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Jun 16, 2022 21:59
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Jun 16, 2022 22:02
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GiantRockFromSpace posted:(Which itself is a poison of spoiler culture, cause lying in promotional materials not to spoil the twist ends up being fake advertising and fucks you over if it turns out it was a different experience?). This seems incredibly melodramatic
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Jun 16, 2022 22:02
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Ibram Gaunt posted:That's the funniest thing about this, really. Spoilerphobes think the entire internet should bend itself to accommodate them. pressing ctrl+p is apparently an unreasonable amount of effort
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Jun 16, 2022 22:02
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Ok fine what consideration are you two asking for?
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Jun 16, 2022 22:04
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SirSamVimes posted:pressing ctrl+p is apparently an unreasonable amount of effort Don't act like you didn't start this four page argument The post you scolded even used spoiler bars. They pressed Ctrl+p and you still went after them.
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Jun 16, 2022 22:11
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When people are being annoying whiny babies I don't want to give them even minor consideration, because they're being annoying and why would you want to encourage that?
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Jun 16, 2022 22:11
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Arist posted:This seems incredibly melodramatic Well, I was also including stuff like keeping whatever actors/VA are working on a secret from them or even giving them fake stuff like Marvel or some videogame companies does, since it both lowers the quality of the performance due to a lack of context and it's absolutely dumb because it's gonna leak anyways because in any big enough project, there'll be someone who can't resist telling everyone they know a secret for clout. The Monarch posted:Ok fine what consideration are you two asking for? In this case, I'd say at least the LP'er who asked for no spoilers in their thread? SirSamVimes posted:pressing ctrl+p is apparently an unreasonable amount of effort wait what there's a shortcut for that holy poo poo Can we just go back to housing discourse, every time we end up in a topic worse than before but somehow still not worse than the spoiler tread's discourse.
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Jun 16, 2022 22:13
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GiantRockFromSpace posted:In this case, I'd say at least the LP'er who asked for no spoilers in their thread? Yes agreed (my post was in reply to Ibram Gaunt and Chillgamesh).
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Jun 16, 2022 22:16
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SirSamVimes posted:pressing ctrl+p is apparently an unreasonable amount of effort This was the most important thing I learned from this whole stupid argument.
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Jun 16, 2022 22:17
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SirSamVimes posted:pressing ctrl+p is apparently an unreasonable amount of effort It's even less of an effort to not cry post when someone posts something that isn't a spoiler. Saying that someone in a trailer for a video game is in the video game isn't a spoiler. Even talking about an expac trailer, especially not here in thread for talking about that specific expac. Shut up.
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Jun 16, 2022 22:19
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Ok, talking about anything the gently caress else. I've been working on finishing leveling Summoner, which is fun now, and as part of that I'm doing a decent amount of PVP but I'm definitely not playing well in PVP. I'm not racking up the massive body count that SMN's reputation suggests I should, either in CC or Frontlines (which is just complete unfun chaos but is worth a lot of XP and maybe I'll get that Garo mount even though I've never been on the winning team) is there a trick to SMN in PVP? Also does anyone ever summon Phoenix or just Bahamut?
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Now that's a big spoiler
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rantmo posted:Ok, talking about anything the gently caress else. I've been working on finishing leveling Summoner, which is fun now, and as part of that I'm doing a decent amount of PVP but I'm definitely not playing well in PVP. I'm not racking up the massive body count that SMN's reputation suggests I should, either in CC or Frontlines (which is just complete unfun chaos but is worth a lot of XP and maybe I'll get that Garo mount even though I've never been on the winning team) is there a trick to SMN in PVP? Also does anyone ever summon Phoenix or just Bahamut? Last time I played summoner, I'd say Phoenix has situational uses in CC but usually bahamut is the better pick majority of the time. Its kill count in frontlines is entirely just dropping Bahamuts on murderballs. Otherwise, just keep summoning your poo poo everywhere, it's bound to hit groups especially in tunneled spaces.
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The Monarch posted:Ok fine what consideration are you two asking for? Realizing that it is on you, not every other living person to avoid what you consider spoilers since most of the time it's completely unreasonable crap being considered spoilers. Turning every post into a CIA document because some people consider concepts like ability names or NPCs as major spoilers means you can never "Just use ctrl+p" or whatever disingenuous crap people think is a good defense. Literally no one is saying that you should be able to shout "Darth Vader is Luke's Dad" or whatever. unspoiled. But things like "expansion names" and "stuff that is in literally all the promotional material" are free game and if you don't like it..Don't come into discussion threads??? Or if something is almost a decade old, tough poo poo? Come back to the thread after you're done. When Endwalker came out..I just. Didn't read any of the threads period until I was done to avoid being spoiled on stuff. It wasn't very hard. Ibram Gaunt fucked around with this message at 22:31 on Jun 16, 2022 |
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As the general population has gotten better at neo-frontlines it's become harder to reliably have huge games as a lone summoner. You really need to coordinate multiple bahamuts simultaneously with your team to swing fights now. If you're interested in tryharding probably the single best thing you could do would be make a bahamut countdown macro to use in alliance chat
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ctrl+p is print preview...?
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The only good part of this stupid discussion is I learned the shortcut for spoilers in this forum.
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Jun 16, 2022 22:31
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Kerrzhe posted:ctrl+p is print preview...? So you can print your post out, use a sharpie to redact any spoilers, scan it back and post it as an image.
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Ibram Gaunt posted:Realizing that it is on you, not every other living person to avoid what you consider spoilers since most of the time it's completely unreasonable crap being considered spoilers. It's what you would consider unreasonable. That's basically where this conversation starts and ends.
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Ibram Gaunt posted:Realizing that it is on you, not every other living person to avoid what you consider spoilers since most of the time it's completely unreasonable crap being considered spoilers. Turning every post into a CIA document because some people consider concepts like ability names or NPCs as major spoilers means you can never "Just use ctrl+p" or whatever disingenuous crap people think is a good defense. Literally no one is saying that you should be able to shout "Darth Vader is Luke's Dad" or whatever. unspoiled. But things like "expansion names" and "stuff that is in literally all the promotional material" are free game and if you don't like it..Don't come into discussion threads??? Or if something is almost a decade old, tough poo poo? Come back to the thread after you're done. I think that this is completely fair. I do think that threads like this that are about media that has a major focus on story need to have a more consistent spoiler policy and that would do a whole loving lot to stamp out these stupid arguments. There are no spoiler "rules" for this thread so you get this stupid petty arguments where people who post "spoilers" are considered assholes and people who don't want spoilers are seen as crybabies. If you were to post the names of the EW trial bosses right when 6.0 dropped, you'd probably get everyone jumping on you for posting spoilers, but when is it okay to post it not under spoiler tags? 6.1? 7.0? I don't think people should be screamed at for talking about Stormblood story beats untagged in this thread in 2022. But when does it become okay to do that?
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i am now aware that ctrl-p is the shortcut to put spoiler tags in the post itself, not a shortcut to automatically expose all spoilers when browsing the thread 
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Kerrzhe posted:i am now aware that ctrl-p is the shortcut to put spoiler tags in the post itself, not a shortcut to automatically expose all spoilers when browsing the thread I also just learned this, so don't feel bad. I couldn't figure out why people were suggesting print preview over and over again.
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I would simply not get spoiled
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let's just make one thread per expansion and be done with it. barely even joking. who cares if the stormblood thread is low traffic: that will just reflect the reality that not that many people are currently in stormblood
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That's probably the only half satisfactory solution. You can't appease both sides when you have people brand new to Heavensward, when that's 10 year old poo poo to the rest of us. I'm pro-spoiler bar, and this thread is generally really good when it comes to new stuff, but there's no way you can accommodate the entire playerbase unless every post was black bars, top to bottom.
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cheetah7071 posted:let's just make one thread per expansion and be done with it. barely even joking. who cares if the stormblood thread is low traffic: that will just reflect the reality that not that many people are currently in stormblood One step closer to FFXIV dominating the subforum.
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is this the birth of the ff14 subforum I'll head the caster thread
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Want a WAR thread where every single post is just "FELL CLEAVE"
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Tekopo posted:Want a WAR thread where every single post is just "FELL CLEAVE" "Just ran LDR as WAR, felt great, no notes" "Hahaha yeah poo poo owns"
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rantmo posted:Ok, talking about anything the gently caress else. I've been working on finishing leveling Summoner, which is fun now, and as part of that I'm doing a decent amount of PVP but I'm definitely not playing well in PVP. I'm not racking up the massive body count that SMN's reputation suggests I should, either in CC or Frontlines (which is just complete unfun chaos but is worth a lot of XP and maybe I'll get that Garo mount even though I've never been on the winning team) is there a trick to SMN in PVP? Also does anyone ever summon Phoenix or just Bahamut? My other general thought is to always think about surviving. Bahamut and Slipstream usually rack up Battle High points for me and I'm trying to keep them, so I'm always thinking about if we're winning or losing a fight because if we're losing I'm going to start heading toward the back of our group to get out alive.
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