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Khanstant posted:
To learn more watch Star Trek V (Don't actually do that.)
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Butternubs posted:Another good episode, I hope they're not lulling me into a false sense of security, Cant wait for the Captain Pike's kitchen spin off. And not every viewer understood it in either show 
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Jun 17, 2022 03:20
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next week: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6jhhz6WjGQ
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Jun 17, 2022 03:22
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Atlas Hugged posted:This was my read on it. It matters to the audience because of representation and it's something you can learn if you choose to look into it, but in the realm of Star Trek it doesn't loving mean anything. It also matters to us because she looks straight into the camera and tells us "hey, biology is not identity, and not even your culture should define who you have to be, you are yourself and you can't escape that" and that theme hits in a very different way if it's coming from a trans, gender non-normative actress and character.
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Jun 17, 2022 03:31
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Here's how you do Star Trek right. Your season-long running story involves  , sure, but those stakes are entirely personal and internal, not saving the world. It's the smart play and I'm so, so glad that Star Trek is finally taking the smart play.
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Jun 17, 2022 03:39
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Did anyone else find some of the dialogue a bit hard to understand in the latest episode? There were some large chunks for me where it was difficult to pick out. I’ve noticed it a few times in other SNW episodes, but this one was the worst about it. I dunno, maybe I’m just going deaf in my dotage.
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Jun 17, 2022 03:44
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Terra-da-loo! posted:I'm sure it's probs been said in this thread already but just realized how Angel contacted Vulcan like, instantly, despite them making a point of saying they were so far out their comms bouy was days from getting to the federation The Prison colony wasn’t on Vulcan. It was on a moon in some other system. We don’t know where it was exactly. Facebook Aunt posted:That lets her wear the white jumpsuit instead of a uniform. It is tradition now to make one of the female crew wear something besides a standard uniform. Pretty sure all the nursing staff are wearing white. I kinda wish they’d kept the ‘medical staff all wear white’ thing from disco - it never made sense to me that science staff and medical staff were grouped together - surely in an emergency you’d want your medical personnel to stand out.
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Jun 17, 2022 03:44
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pik_d posted:Wait, she's non-binary? I didn't read that at all, what were the signs? The fact that the character is always referred to as ‘they’? Not to mention they cast a non binary actor.
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Jun 17, 2022 03:50
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Butternubs posted:
I really liked this. There was no showoff-y drawing attention to it; they didn’t go out of their way to give the character an LGBT+ plotline; they were just a character who happened to be NB and nobody batted an eyelid about it.
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Jun 17, 2022 03:55
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I think it's interesting that they've kept the ink Chapel's actress has on her hands.
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Jun 17, 2022 03:56
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roomtone posted:decent episode. i am not that into this chapel/t'pring/spock triangle though, so it wasn't my favourite. I think of it as canon fodder. We already know how T'pring and Spock's relationship ends. This is showing us the relationship he lost. What he gave up to become the interstellar legend.
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Jun 17, 2022 03:57
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I'm watching a thing: what was the behind the scenes drama during s1 of Disco?
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Jun 17, 2022 04:04
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Polaron posted:I think it's interesting that they've kept the ink Chapel's actress has on her hands. Honestly I like how they’re letting the actors have input on their characters and design decisions. Rebecca Romijn got the skirt uniform made per her suggestion, Celia Rose Gooding chose her hair, Jess Bush chose the white jumpsuit over a uniform, Anson Mount suggested he cook…it makes it feel like the show is a big collaborative process.
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Jun 17, 2022 04:05
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Well that looks delightfully goofy. Hoping it' doesn't end in ""it was all a dream" cope out, which the flash of story book seems to suggest. I am 100% cool with there being a weird parallel universe with a renaissances space federation.
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Jun 17, 2022 04:10
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Hooray for stupid hallucination fuckery!
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Jun 17, 2022 04:11
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zoux posted:I'm watching a thing: what was the behind the scenes drama during s1 of Disco? In short: • Bryan Fuller gets hired to make a Star Trek. He wants it to be an Anthology series, with different time periods and crews for each season. Starts developing S1, which focuses on the mutiny of Michael Burnham and her starting the Klingon War. • CBS tells him an anthology series is too expensive, and can he just make the S1 characters and setting the entire series. Bryan Fuller, in typical fashion, responds by dragging his feet and not turning in scripts while pre-production is on its way and the deadline to launch CBS All-Access fast approaches. • CBS fires Fuller and brings in Gretchen Berg and Aaron Harberts to take the scraps that Fuller wrote and whatever happened during pre-production and turn that into a series, since there was literally negative time to start from scratch. • They then rush the first 7 episodes out the door to meet the All-Access deadline, but are so behind schedule they have to split the season in two to catch up. That’s basically it. S1 was basically a stapled-together rush job, with the intention of making S2 more cohesive. That is, until Berg and Harberts got fired at the beginning of S2 and once again threw the show into a tailspin lmao.
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Jun 17, 2022 04:15
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The Lord Bude posted:The fact that the character is always referred to as ‘they’? Not to mention they cast a non binary actor. I didn't even notice that, must be tired. Not familiar with Jessie James Keitel either. Checked out her twitter and she retweeted this. Pretty different context now knowing a bit more about her! https://mobile.twitter.com/H0NEYRIVER/status/1537478632800628736
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Jun 17, 2022 04:15
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The Lord Bude posted:I really liked this. There was no showoff-y drawing attention to it; they didn’t go out of their way to give the character an LGBT+ plotline; they were just a character who happened to be NB and nobody batted an eyelid about it. With one guest spot in a single episode they did a better job of representing and discussing non-binary themes than all of DISCO has done so far with an enby character on the main cast for several seasons. (I mean I haven't actually watched S4 of Discovery but I still feel qualified to make that call.) I could write several paragraphs about it but I don't even feel like it's worthwhile because the show actually brought those themes up and showed them to us in a coherent, cohesive way... why would I analyze the show when it's able to clearly and ENTERTAININGLY make a point on its own and we all just watched it? By the way, JEFFERIES TUBES
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Jun 17, 2022 04:15
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The Lord Bude posted:The fact that the character is always referred to as ‘they’? Not to mention they cast a non binary actor. lol do u go around checking peoples gender when they show up in tv who cares. they is also the neutral pronoun you can use for anyone
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Jun 17, 2022 04:16
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Khanstant posted:lol do u go around checking peoples gender when they show up in tv who cares. they is also the neutral pronoun you can use for anyone What is the point of saying this when The Lord Bude is literally correct about it in this case?
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Jun 17, 2022 04:19
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Khanstant posted:lol do u go around checking peoples gender when they show up in tv who cares. they is also the neutral pronoun you can use for anyone No other human character on Star Trek has ever consistently used singular They for no reason while also being portrayed by a transgender actress while also saying things like this:  You missed the subtext. A lot of people care about transgender representation. I care about transgender representation. This is not the hill you should be dying on.
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Jun 17, 2022 04:21
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XboxPants posted:No other human character on Star Trek has ever consistently used singular They for no reason while also being portrayed by a transgender actress while also saying things like this: IMO it was a great balance of having representation without "shoving it down their throats" as the chuds like to say. Chances are a random zoomer watching will get it, but their conservative parents and grandparents won't even notice while the show is on, so they won't turn it off. It's not closeted, it's just subtle coding. And in this case I think being subtle made it stronger, because it gives the message that this is normal and unremarkable. Everyone uses they pronouns for them and that's it, no dramatic scene.
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Jun 17, 2022 04:31
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drat that episode was good. Really fun, good action, good character moments, I loved how Captain Angel went from quietly flirtatious to chewing the scenery like Intendamt Kira in like 2 seconds, I love the Spock/T'Pring/Chapel love triangle that breaks my drat heart, I loved Pike's manipulation of the pirates, I loved how the pirates with like 3 lines had recognizable characters, and I love this drat crew. One thing that has really impressed me with SNW is the crew dynamic that they've established so quickly. There's a wonderful sense of camaraderie and the crew can be casual with each other or make jokes, but it doesn't get in the way of the professional atmosphere. There isn't that pervasive Whedony quippyness so much genre media has had in the last 20 years. For instance, early in the episode there's the fun joke between Pike and Ortegas about getting "first or third date" close to the asteroid, but once they are in the trap everyone is all business and the dialogue becomes more technical and professional. It's so believable and reminds me of high-stress jobs I've had and the dynamic that develops. This is just great loving Trek, 9/10, gently caress I want more episodes.
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Jun 17, 2022 05:02
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Holy poo poo the preview for next week's episode  I swear they made this show just for me.
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Jun 17, 2022 05:04
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Azhais posted:I forget, did voyager do a mirror story? I do recall an episode with the doctor being evil and forcing 7 of 9 to sing, but I can't remember the context Infyrion posted:I think there was an episode where the Doctor was writing a holonovel loosely based on the Voyager crew except the crew are all dicks to the Doctor who is overworked and underappreciated. Someone finds it and naturally the crew is annoyed at being portrayed as assholes but the Doctor refuses to acknowledge the obvious similarities and defends his creative freedom. Deciding turnabout is fair play someone (Paris?) writes a similar holonovel except this time the Doctor is the baddie. twistedmentat posted:No, its from the Equinox episode where Voyager's EMH is stolen by Ransom and they remove the ethical subroutines so he will do evil experiments. He's fiddling with 7s implants and continues their previous, pre evil EMH, interactions where they'd sing public domain songs together. MillennialVulcan posted:There's also an episode where the Doctor's program is found in the Delta Quadrant and reactivated after 700 years. The future aliens show him holograms and "historical" recreations of the Voyager crew as bloodthirsty murderous fascists cruising the quadrant and leaving hell in their wake. There's also that bit in Worst Case Scenario when the Mutiny simulation goes awry thanks to Seska and the fake Doctor gives Paris a Nitric Acid injection which probably should've killed him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G93qjZ2WLtA
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Jun 17, 2022 05:13
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HD DAD posted:Honestly I like how they’re letting the actors have input on their characters and design decisions. Rebecca Romijn got the skirt uniform made per her suggestion, Celia Rose Gooding chose her hair, Jess Bush chose the white jumpsuit over a uniform, Anson Mount suggested he cook…it makes it feel like the show is a big collaborative process. This is one of the reasons DS9 is so good. The actors worked with the writers to flesh out their stories and characters. This is why the Ferengi go from very gross Jewish sterotypes to being hyper capitalists because the actors sat down and worked out what they wanted to do and say with the characters and went to the writers and worked out how that would actually happen.
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FishFood posted:One thing that has really impressed me with SNW is the crew dynamic that they've established so quickly. There's a wonderful sense of camaraderie and the crew can be casual with each other or make jokes, but it doesn't get in the way of the professional atmosphere. There isn't that pervasive Whedony quippyness so much genre media has had in the last 20 years. For instance, early in the episode there's the fun joke between Pike and Ortegas about getting "first or third date" close to the asteroid, but once they are in the trap everyone is all business and the dialogue becomes more technical and professional. It's so believable and reminds me of high-stress jobs I've had and the dynamic that develops. That dynamic might be the only thing that got me through my previous job without a breakdown. It's not an easy thing to write, but so far they're nailing it here Also, considering Pike's pirate impression I think it's safe to say that the leeway Ortegas gets to be kind of a goofball is there because, deep down, Pike knows he's basically the same, he just has to keep it buttoned up a little more because he's the captain.
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Jun 17, 2022 05:22
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Delsaber posted:That dynamic might be the only thing that got me through my previous job without a breakdown. It's not an easy thing to write, but so far they're nailing it here Pike is Goku
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Jun 17, 2022 05:27
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Its funny how Jeffrey Hunter didn't continue on with Star Trek because his wife thought the show was beneath him. Now you have Anson Mount as the same character on an excellent show cooking for pirates.
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Jun 17, 2022 05:31
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i'm glad they are getting representation, not dying on a hill. i'm just ? that we should know a characters' actors is nonbinary just by looking at em or assume a neutral term commonly used in daily life to refer to anyone. i'm not saying "who cares" about representation, that's important, and maybe I should notice or be mindful, but they looked liked a woman, they showed up in sexy villain catsuit, i didn't really give it a second thought and maybe that's the problem. i missed the subtext as neutral language and didn't know this actress(plus she could play a character of any gender). Writing it out, it's probably not okay to assume someone is a woman just because they "look like" one, whatever that could possibly even mean for billions of different people lumped together. my roommate is nonbinary but i met them when we were coworkers and they used she/her, when I later learned they were nb just switched to they like they preferred, i don't know how i woulda known before then. there are several other folks I've seen in shows that I didn't know were trans or nb i look em up or it come up. I also assumed captain angel was an alien, because of the face markings, and that's not okay either in a galaxy full of diverse species and cultures which each could have their own relationship to body modification. my favourite part of angel was just them seeing right through spock to emotionally manipulate him, vulcans are emotional as hell, even without the half-human part, so I always enjoy when somebody gives them a good wrenching to that aspect. Their folly was ultimately underestimating the bond between spock/tpring. bond strong enough for a successful hostage swap gambit, but also strong enough to survive a saucy-hello-nurse-moment-turned-dispassionate-vulcan-breakup-ruse. FishFood posted:One thing that has really impressed me with SNW is the crew dynamic that they've established so quickly. There's a wonderful sense of camaraderie and the crew can be casual with each other or make jokes, but it doesn't get in the way of the professional atmosphere. There isn't that pervasive Whedony quippyness so much genre media has had in the last 20 years. For instance, early in the episode there's the fun joke between Pike and Ortegas about getting "first or third date" close to the asteroid, but once they are in the trap everyone is all business and the dialogue becomes more technical and professional. It's so believable and reminds me of high-stress jobs I've had and the dynamic that develops. Jett Reno kind of has a little torch of that kind of banter energy on Discovery. They could wormhole Reno to SNW Enterprise and maybe just never acknowledge or show it, she's just there one day giving somebody poo poo in engineering.
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Delsaber posted:That dynamic might be the only thing that got me through my previous job without a breakdown. It's not an easy thing to write, but so far they're nailing it here Pike is 100% a goofball and it's great.
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Jun 17, 2022 05:33
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there's gotta be other takes for that pirate bit that can be edited into an INtake
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It's shocking how SNW keeps hitting it out of the park every episode. I'm used to modern star trek sucking. This latest episode was so good. I love the bit where they're referring to an older situation for his plan to deal with the current one. Preview for next episode looks awesome. It's a sin that this is only 10 episodes. If they could keep up this level of quality over, say, 20ish episodes per season that would be much better.
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The Lord Bude posted:Although I must confess, When she first appeared I briefly thought it might have been entertaining to have Una’s actor play her as well and have the cast completely ignore the fact that they look identical. In the pilot, Una and Chapel were never in the same scene together, and I was hoping that was going to be a bit.
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Khanstant posted:I also assumed captain angel was an alien, because of the face markings, and that's not okay either in a galaxy full of diverse species and cultures which each could have their own relationship to body modification. I get that, it took me most of the episode last week to decide whether the Majalans were supposed to be aliens or just some random human colony that's really into body mod, those ridges were pretty subtle. Like this is a universe where Remans are just ugly Vulcans so it's kinda all up in the air. When Chapel was first talking to Spock about this new doctor (the "earth to spock" scene) and referred to them as "they" I wondered if maybe they'd just be an alien too.
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Man SNW is so good. Just watched the last 2 episodes. gently caress this is the best Star Trek has been in so so long.
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Great episode, a lot of fun and can't wait for next week. Started with Mount Pike has fallen:  Rebounds with its triumphant return: 
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XboxPants posted:the Majalans were supposed to be aliens or just some random human colony that's really into body mod, those ridges were pretty subtle. memory alpha says this species has black blood. I'm really curious what it would look like if they could simulate that. Like, Alora still had red lips and ya know pinkish subsurface scattering and other human stuff due to us having red blood. guess that goes for all the blood colours out there. i know some crabs have blue blood but they dont have skin with blood vessels
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Jun 17, 2022 06:09
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Ninurta posted:Great episode, a lot of fun and can't wait for next week. Pike keeps a little emergency mousse in his survival kit. Guest star was great, Chapel is great, mutiny plan was great, SYBOK REFERENCE IN TYOOL 2022 was great. This show is so loving good and next week already looks like an all-timer. How the hell is this show real???
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I really love this show so much. I love that just have progressive characters that might be evil but still make sure to get someone's pronouns right without being all hamhanded "I'm not a girl, here's my pronouns" and people in the future are saying "Wow, this is a new concept for me, I am learnding"
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