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That's not likely, every previous Demiurge we have encountered has had a reasonable and correct understanding of the universe and their place within it.
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7c Nickel posted:A deterministic universe where the future is knowable and unchangeable is just something that actively infuriates me. Predetermination is real and
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Jun 17, 2022 17:39
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pseudorandom name posted:That's not likely, every previous Demiurge we have encountered has had a reasonable and correct understanding of the universe and their place within it. true. heck
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Jun 17, 2022 17:39
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Pinnacles of correct decision-making these demiurges are.
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Jun 17, 2022 17:40
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When you are the immortal embodiment of Sloth and also a ludicrously powerful wizard, nobody is going to convince you to try doing something out of step with the future you have viewed with perfect clarity, just to see what happens. That wouldn't be very slothful. But maybe in order to act against the march of future history, Allison must first know it. She's going to put herself in the universe machine. 
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Jun 17, 2022 17:44
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7c Nickel posted:A deterministic universe where the future is knowable and unchangeable is just something that actively infuriates me. It's supposed to, that's why the character is doing it. quote:It would devolve into stupid "I know what you're going to say in 5 seconds but I don't tell you because I don't tell you". That's literally what she's doing and why you're supposed to dislike her lol
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Jun 17, 2022 17:46
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hey i'm beginning to think these demiurges are kind of hosed up and stupid!!!
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Jun 17, 2022 17:48
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SlimGoodbody posted:It's supposed to, that's why the character is doing it. I guess I've run into too many stories that do this and then go, "This is deep right? Really makes you think?"
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Jun 17, 2022 17:49
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7c Nickel posted:A deterministic universe where the future is knowable and unchangeable is just something that actively infuriates me. now this is getting into some deep lore speculation. i've been watching a lot of elden ring videos lately so to get in the right mindset I'mma need you to bang on a piano randomly while you read this so hear me out this is just a theory, but but i think there are some subtle clues scattered throughout the entire run of the comic up until this point that the author agrees with you
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Jun 17, 2022 17:49
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TBH it would be very funny if the universe was in fact deterministic and knowable except for furious dumbasses.
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7c Nickel posted:I guess I've run into too many stories that do this and then go, "This is deep right? Really makes you think?" if I had to guess I think you're about to run into a story that goes "absolutely gently caress that" and then there's magic punches
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Jun 17, 2022 17:50
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The fundament of this entire comic has been presenting cliche hero narratives and then splintering them over its knee
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Jun 17, 2022 17:53
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pseudorandom name posted:TBH it would be very funny if the universe was in fact deterministic and knowable except for furious dumbasses. Ah, another Kingdoms of Amalur fan.
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Jun 17, 2022 17:54
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nah im pretty sure this is the moment k6bd jumps a shark
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Jun 17, 2022 17:54
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SlimGoodbody posted:That's literally what she's doing and why you're supposed to dislike her lol and/or feel sorry for her--part of the point is that actually knowing the future fucks you up too much to do anything about it. Jadis probably can't hold it together long enough to go through with the "tell me what I am going to say next" experiment, except in situations where there's a clear answer that is true.
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Jun 17, 2022 17:55
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Me, reading a story about people doing the impossible: "Ah, clearly they can't do that, for it's impossible."
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Jun 17, 2022 17:55
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Allison is 100% going to punch determinism in the nuts. The only real question is what the journey to that nut punch will be.
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Just think. Within that amber speck of reality, every one of our poo poo posts are woven. Every furious dumbass kungfuing their keyboard. Every reference to Discworld. All the slamming Salmon Salami daves. A beautiful tapestry of interlocking realities. Our speck on the tapestry is where hot sauce got spilled on it one time and we can't get it fully out. Guests don't notice the blemish but we do. It always haunts us. Anyways I like Jadis. She's a cool nihilist demigod with a wan smile.
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time to be the change you want to see in the world, Allison
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7c Nickel posted:I guess I've run into too many stories that do this and then go, "This is deep right? Really makes you think?" The comic is presenting this view, not endorsing it. What will most likely follow is a deconstruction and rebuttal of Jadis' stance via furious dumbassery. The demiurges have been presented as flawed individuals who are ultimately taken down by the actions of others. Did you not see Salami Dave get absolutely philosophically owned by White Chain and Allison in the last book?
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There Bias Two posted:The comic is presenting this view, not endorsing it. What will most likely follow is a deconstruction and rebuttal of Jadis' stance via furious dumbassery. The demiurges have been presented as flawed individuals who are ultimately taken down by the actions of others. Every single Demiurge we've seen has forged a prison for themselves in some way or other. Solomon David had the Empire he couldn't give up. Mammon had the Count. Mottom feared her age, never realizing she probably had full control over it given what we see her do at the end. And now Jadis is firmly frozen by inaction, believing all reality is fixed and therefore pointless.
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Cowcaster posted:hey i'm beginning to think these demiurges are kind of hosed up and stupid!!! Man now I don't even know if I like demiurges. I got to take stock.
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Jun 17, 2022 19:04
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The great irony here is that, as a published story, KSBD is factually deterministic. The greater irony is that, at this point in the story, anything could happen.
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Jun 17, 2022 19:15
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Grandpa Dragon was totally cool, though. I mean okay, yeah, there was the whole thing where he killed all of his friends, families, their friends, and their families, but that's really kind of tame compared to, say, establishing an intergalactic authoritarian empire or turning billions of people into worms.
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oobey posted:Grandpa Dragon was totally cool, though. I'm still mad he got brutally murdered.
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Jun 17, 2022 19:20
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He totally deserved it though.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Every single Demiurge we've seen has forged a prison for themselves in some way or other. As demiurges are wont to do.
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oobey posted:Grandpa Dragon was totally cool, though. Nobody who runs a bank is cool. If he'd ran Throne's biggest building society I might of mourned him
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Jun 17, 2022 19:43
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Grandpa Dragon died metal as gently caress. Let us all aspire to such heights.
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oobey posted:Grandpa Dragon was totally cool, though. P sure running the interdimensional central bank is worse than both of those
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feel like we are glossing over the huge asterix that she can't see inside her own mind
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Grandpa Dragon very much did establish an intergalactic authoritarian empire, his banker theocracy laid claim to a seventh of creation
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Potato Salad posted:feel like we are glossing over the huge asterix that she can't see inside her own mind Which is probably because she ironically has the freedom to do whatever she wants. She's just so focused on trying to resolve the image that she expects to be there, that she hasn't stopped to consider the implications of it being fuzzy.
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Potato Salad posted:feel like we are glossing over the huge asterix that she can't see inside her own mind theres no inside her own mind left to see, she got grafted onto the wheel
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure the phrase "scoured her mind" has come up previously with respect to what seeing eternity did to her.
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ThaumPenguin posted:Grandpa Dragon very much did establish an intergalactic authoritarian empire, his banker theocracy laid claim to a seventh of creation It's pretty explicitly laid out how terrible they are: 
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Schwarzwald posted:Grandpa Dragon died metal as gently caress. Let us all aspire to such heights. Having someone unleash a god-slaying technique and subsequently powerbombing my head to the earth and bathing in my blood and essence is definitely on my top 10 list of ways to die.
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Mr. Lobe posted:Yeah, I'm pretty sure the phrase "scoured her mind" has come up previously with respect to what seeing eternity did to her. yeah, like her "mind" is just a snapshot of reality now. shes not okay and she cant see past the current universe
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so the fabulous bearer of the word mind thinks nothing matters 
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hot drat what a lovely reminder that forming exists, time to see if it's still going edit: last update november 18th 2021 
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