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From the perspective of a government agency, you have a person with super powers who is either intentionally or accidentally causing a lot of damage, and hurting innocent people. When they try to contain this potentially dangerous person, the person runs away. It's not like they have any idea of Kamala's age or ethnicity, or even that she isn't a super villain.
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Oasx posted:From the perspective of a government agency, you have a person with super powers who is either intentionally or accidentally causing a lot of damage, and hurting innocent people. Yeah, but they're doing all this in a really ham-fisted way with a lot of bullying/power-tripping for its own sake. There are smarter, subtler ways to approach this situation and they are clearly not using them. You kind of wonder if all the "kill Wanda with a drone" folks from SWORD got hired by this group.
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Jun 17, 2022 19:14
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Everyone posted:Yeah, but they're doing all this in a really ham-fisted way with a lot of bullying/power-tripping for its own sake. There are smarter, subtler ways to approach this situation and they are clearly not using them. You kind of wonder if all the "kill Wanda with a drone" folks from SWORD got hired by this group. if they were smart and subtle they wouldn't be cops/feds ACAB
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Jun 17, 2022 19:21
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I didn't know the bad guys were Damage Control before it being mentioned in this thread. I mean we saw them like once at the beginning of Homecoming.
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Jun 17, 2022 19:24
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Oasx posted:From the perspective of a government agency, you have a person with super powers who is either intentionally or accidentally causing a lot of damage, and hurting innocent people. 'If she's not guilty, why'd she run?" Lammasu posted:I didn't know the bad guys were Damage Control before it being mentioned in this thread. I mean we saw them like once at the beginning of Homecoming. It's the exact same actor from No Way Home.
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Jun 17, 2022 19:26
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With how much Far From Home was focused on "Tony Stark's Legacy", the fact that his company's joint venture with the US government is using his satellite kill drones to hunt kids in New Jersey could lead to some interesting stories about how far reaching Tony's influence is, for better or worse. Could be interesting to see Armor Wars or Ironheart dealing with the fallout of the world's most powerful weapons manufacturer losing its conscience overnight.
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Jun 17, 2022 19:30
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Lammasu posted:I didn't know the bad guys were Damage Control before it being mentioned in this thread. I mean we saw them like once at the beginning of Homecoming. We also saw the one male agent in No Way Home. I don't think Damage Control are the bad guys in this. They're probably a bit like the military jets were in Iron Man, shooting at Tony because he was an unknown bogey. They're clearly going to be an antagonist/opposition/obstacle for Kamala.
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Jun 17, 2022 19:34
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Robot Style posted:With how much Far From Home was focused on "Tony Stark's Legacy", the fact that his company's joint venture with the US government is using his satellite kill drones to hunt kids in New Jersey could lead to some interesting stories about how far reaching Tony's influence is, for better or worse. Could be interesting to see Armor Wars or Ironheart dealing with the fallout of the world's most powerful weapons manufacturer losing its conscience overnight. Stark Industries went down in No Way Home. Daredevil was very clear that Happy was hosed. Pepper has surely been forced out.
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Jun 17, 2022 19:34
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live with fruit posted:Stark Industries went down in No Way Home. Daredevil was very clear that Happy was hosed. Pepper has surely been forced out. Which doesn't rule out Rhodes as War Machine deciding, "Guess what, DoDC, my boss wouldn't want you hunting children so you don't get to play with his old toys anymore."
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Jun 17, 2022 19:38
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Everyone posted:Which doesn't rule out Rhodes as War Machine deciding, "Guess what, DoDC, my boss wouldn't want you hunting children so you don't get to play with his old toys anymore." It's probably where all the non-magic/god Earth based stories are headed. Gives Val access to an Iron Man analog for the Thunderbolts as well
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Jun 17, 2022 19:43
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This new Jon Snow show makes me wonder if Marvel's going to bury Black Knight. Maybe cause the reception for Eternals was so meh.
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Jun 17, 2022 20:52
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Ms. Marvel has explicitly referenced Eternals, so I doubt it.
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Cythereal posted:Ms. Marvel has explicitly referenced Eternals, so I doubt it. They're probably in too deep to dump the Eternals but Harrington's in the movie for like five minutes. And his conection to them isn't on Earth anymore. live with fruit fucked around with this message at 21:16 on Jun 17, 2022 |
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Jun 17, 2022 21:09
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Cythereal posted:This is what's confused me as well. There are plenty of privileged people who have never given much thought to the ways that police interact with minorities
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live with fruit posted:This new Jon Snow show makes me wonder if Marvel's going to bury Black Knight. Maybe cause the reception for Eternals was so meh. He'll have time to do both, HBO shows don't film all year round
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live with fruit posted:Stark Industries went down in No Way Home. Daredevil was very clear that Happy was hosed. Pepper has surely been forced out. Do we know for sure how much of this stuck through the reality rewrite, though? Even if events play out as close to the same as possible, there's a chance the case falls apart when nobody can remember who Spider-Man is anymore.
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Jun 17, 2022 22:31
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Everyone posted:I can sort of get the latinx line. I'm a not quite 54 year old straight white cisgender male. A lot of these terms are new to me. It feels weird calling someone like Ezra Miller "they/them." I recently had a course at my job talking about using the right pronouns for people - which was something I hadn't really thought about before. And I get it. I apparently have a weirdly feminine voice over the speakers at McDonald's because I get called "Ma'am" a lot and it's annoying (and I will occasionally retaliate in kind: "Thank you, sir.") Eh, the latinx thing has a bit weirder subtext because a lot of actual Latinos-- including myself-- really don't like "latinx" and feel it's mostly being forced on us by well-intentioned but super out-of-their-lane US liberals and way-too-online US teenagers who don't realize that romance language binaries really aren't the most important social hill to die on in society right now (but it's a very "achievable" goal which is why they're so gung-ho about doing it). I liked it as a line to show that these racist government types were indeed kind-of up their own asses.... but then yeah it also helps keep that stupid phrase perpetuating and that's not really fun either. Cattail Prophet posted:Do we know for sure how much of this stuck through the reality rewrite, though? Even if events play out as close to the same as possible, there's a chance the case falls apart when nobody can remember who Spider-Man is anymore.
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mind the walrus posted:Eh, the latinx thing has a bit weirder subtext because a lot of actual Latinos-- including myself-- really don't like "latinx" and feel it's mostly being forced on us by well-intentioned but super out-of-their-lane US liberals and way-too-online US teenagers who don't realize that romance language binaries really aren't the most important social hill to die on in society right now (but it's a very "achievable" goal which is why they're so gung-ho about doing it). Latinx originated as an academic term and gained popularity through the LGBTQ+ community. The DODC agent's mocking usage was meant to signal the agency's insensitivity to minority groups. It's followed immediately by them talking about how they need to be careful to not draw any heat when they stake out mosques. She also used it incorrectly quote:lmao god I forgot how much No Way Home sucked a butt by the end. I'm willing to bet this is part of the massive headache they're trying to figure out for Armor Wars and Ironheart as we speak because No Way Home made way too much money to flat-out ignore, but the instant you get reality rewriting fuckery into the picture you start to lose the nuts and bolts storytelling (which No Way Home absolutely did). Strange's spell made everyone forget Peter Parker, not Spider-Man.
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Jun 17, 2022 23:23
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live with fruit posted:The DODC agent's mocking usage was meant to signal the agency's insensitivity to minority groups. I took it less as that and more as intentionally PC language which the DoDC had mandated without listening to the community who keeps saying 'hey we don't like this'
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Jun 17, 2022 23:29
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Rarity posted:I took it less as that and more as intentionally PC language which the DoDC had mandated without listening to the community who keeps saying 'hey we don't like this' She said it to a white girl she was intimidating. There's nothing textual to support that reading.
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Jun 17, 2022 23:34
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live with fruit posted:She said it to a white girl she was intimidating. There's nothing textual to support that reading. There's nothing textual to support it being intentional mockery either 
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Rarity posted:There's nothing textual to support it being intentional mockery either The guy from No Way Home makes a face when the female agent asks if "Night Light" had an accent like he didn't like the question. She then asks "Was she Latina? I'm sorry, I'm supposed to say Latinx now, right?" It's there.
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Jun 17, 2022 23:42
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Goons are so dedicated to being unable to watch and criticize film that when a show is actually good, they have to find bizarre new takes to excuse arguing about it.
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Jun 18, 2022 00:44
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Here's a take for you: the soundtrack to this show loving owns
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Pwnstar posted:The point I originally brought up was that the cop stuff is way more Real poo poo than the zany low stakes dramas that the show is currently dealing with. You could argue that this is intentional: Cythereal posted:She's a member of ethnic and religious minorities that get profiled and hassled by the cops, a lot. Rarity posted:There are plenty of privileged people who have never given much thought to the ways that police interact with minorities This is the same episode where Kamala's mom is telling her that she isn't trying to be a bad mean mom on purpose, she just wants Kamala to be safe. She has legitimate fears about the world her daughter is facing, things Muneeba is a little more aware of with her proximity to the partition, but Kamala seems to be pretty naive about. She actually smiles during that story her dad tells about the train, as if it's some silly fairy tale that doesn't affect her. Like, it's possible this was her first close call with racist law enforcement.
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To make up for poorly explaining my idiosyncratic feelings about a perceived tonal shift, even if the content and themes resonated with the rest of the show I made something bad:
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XboxPants posted:You could argue that this is intentional: Are we sure she didn't smile because she realized the story of her mother following a trail of stars to get back to her family on the train sounds like what her new powers can do?
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We not gonna talk about how that kid stole like 20 women's shoes and apparently likes wearing them? Now, that's an interesting character.
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logger posted:Are we sure she didn't smile because she realized the story of her mother following a trail of stars to get back to her family on the train sounds like what her new powers can do? I don't know, but her and her brother both immediately gave what I saw as a smirky, eye-rolly expression as soon as her dad started telling the story. I took it as a 'lol he's telling THIS story again' reaction. Around 27:50 if you want to look. I'm probably not the best person to interpret since this isn't really my culture.
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XboxPants posted:I don't know, but her and her brother both immediately gave what I saw as a smirky, eye-rolly expression as soon as her dad started telling the story. I took it as a 'lol he's telling THIS story again' reaction. Around 27:50 if you want to look. I'm probably not the best person to interpret since this isn't really my culture. My thinking is the scene immediately after that is Kamala on the phone with her great aunt(or just her aunt) asking about great grandma, so she must have thought she can get answers to where her powers came from after hearing the story.
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Golden Bee posted:I think it’s a great use of your budget. Film the house and school locations a lot, do the rooftops on a sound stage, save the money for your action sequences. It’s a different rhythm than in Falcon/Soldier, which had a few action sequences but felt like there was a lot of scheming and empty hallways to get the episodes to 50 minutes. I brought up how this show is the first Marvel thing that feels like a TV show and it's because of this. If feels like this show has a writing room, looking to pack in as much as they can per episode. There's no feeling like the climax of the show is going to be 6 episodes in. Every episodes feels like a meal, instead of a meal cut into six pieces. And this might be my favorite Marvel thing ever because in addition to the style, the great acting, the dialogue, what have you, these people feel real. And it feels like its doing something new. No one has made this particular experience feel so universal or at the same time dived so deep into it. It's pretty cool.
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Shageletic posted:I brought up how this show is the first Marvel thing that feels like a TV show and it's because of this. If feels like this show has a writing room, looking to pack in as much as they can per episode. There's no feeling like the climax of the show is going to be 6 episodes in. Every episodes feels like a meal, instead of a meal cut into six pieces. It helps that every actor save the DODC agent is a new face in the US.
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Viridiant posted:Ms Marvel is my favorite superhero and is the reason I got back into reading superhero comics again for a while (I got bored of it again after constant dumb events) and I'm really happy this show is so good. I was worried and was honestly expecting it to be just okay at best but I'm so pleased with Iman Vellani and all the side characters are great. I've heard ALOT of good things about RRR. The action and general discussion cined thread can't stop talking about it!!!
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RRR's three hour runtime is a little intimidating.
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Pwnstar posted:Here's a take for you: the soundtrack to this show loving owns They loving mentioned the Swet Shop Boys. I literally wooped when that happened. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLlYykSUXLk Riz Ahmed, the coolest celebrity, is one of two guys (the other guy wrote Taco Bell Combination Pizza Hut) might as well add it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQ8ViYIeH04
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Shageletic posted:I brought up how this show is the first Marvel thing that feels like a TV show and it's because of this. If feels like this show has a writing room, looking to pack in as much as they can per episode. There's no feeling like the climax of the show is going to be 6 episodes in. Every episodes feels like a meal, instead of a meal cut into six pieces. One thing I really appreciate about Iman Vellani is that she's "normal pretty." She looks like a person who would be going to a New Jersey high school. Like, how many times have we seen the "dorky/geek" girl and she's some Maxim Top 50 supermodel wearing glasses and slightly less stylish clothes? And it's all in service of the big "She's All That" reveal of "Whoa, she's actually beautiful and therefore has value."
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live with fruit posted:'If she's not guilty, why'd she run?" I didn't know he was Damage Control. Also I didn't remember the actor.
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Goddamn Ms Marvel is good, I really hope they stick the landing because so far it is just blowing every other Marvel show out of the water. Iman Vellani is REALLY good and this is her first acting role!?!
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Iman Vellani made a short 90 sec film about iron man in 2020 https://vimeo.com/553028181 And a short film called Pulse https://vimeo.com/387177423 And a short called Requiem for Pandemic dedicated to Kevin Fiege https://vimeo.com/402735227 Mr Ice Cream Glove fucked around with this message at 11:44 on Jun 18, 2022 |
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