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Grimes blames everything on Homer rather than the people with actual power and agency and in general acts incredibly bitter and entitled.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Grimes blames everything on Homer rather than the people with actual power and agency and in general acts incredibly bitter and entitled. He gets there to be a VP and immediately gets demoted in favor of a dog and is not mad at Burns. It's great. I know people like that, very true to life
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Jun 18, 2022 04:43
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PhazonLink posted:oh was about to ask if he voiced himself. America sucks more
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Jun 18, 2022 04:45
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The thing is, from Grimes' point of view, Homer does nothing, and gets rewarded constantly, and gets to coast through life in his 'mansion'. It would be insanely frustrating to the guy that worked for his titles and whatever, and gets nothing for it. He's in a position where he feels like he should have earned something, but didn't. And Homer got the perfect life handed to him. Frank Grimes is a cautionary tale about the people at work you should stay far the hell away from. Or maybe I've been working in offices filled with unstable boomers for too long.
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I just burnt through season 9 and I had seen the Grimes episode during 8 and it was extremely relatable, I got why he loving lost it. Like I would want to kill Burns, but Homer existing would be very upsetting, and him just desperately wanting you to like him would make it worse. Just a nice oaf who things work out for.
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Jun 18, 2022 04:48
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My lovely grandparents used to reward one kid to upset the other and it loving worked and I haven't seen my aunt in 20 years.
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Jun 18, 2022 04:50
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Outside of the deconstructive element, it's just plain funny.
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Jun 18, 2022 05:00
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simpsons episodes by the dumbass goon: grimes is a nice man and gets along with the protagonist homer. when his promotion is stolen by a dog he correctly surmises it as late stage capitalism and does a praxis with bart
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Jun 18, 2022 05:31
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Rev. Bleech_ posted:So what is this thread's up/down on the Frank Grimes episode, because it's apparently considered "controversial" rather than "great" as it should be Absolute top tier. Love Grimes running towards the silo for no reason before it explodes. And Homer ramming his car and not noticing.
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Jun 18, 2022 06:17
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Been said that Superintendent Chalmers about the one regular character who can function both inside and outside of Springfield, while Grimes is an example of someone who can't. Funny thing is that does highlight the subtle thing that while Chalmers does have his own breaking points, he also knows when to just roll with it and not raise a fuss. Like the entire joke of Steamed Hams.
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Rev. Bleech_ posted:So what is this thread's up/down on the Frank Grimes episode, because it's apparently considered "controversial" rather than "great" as it should be Grimesy was an rear end in a top hat.
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Jun 18, 2022 06:59
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I never like Homer's Enemy for the reason that it seemed like it was trying to say *something* but never really stuck the landing for me. I've heard it said many times that it's about "life isn't fair" or "avoid these people" or "don't be an rear end in a top hat to assholes" and "the Simpsons isn't real" and a bunch of other weird theories. It sort of felt like a weirdly vindictive episode at its core, which is a trait that the golden years rarely hit on. Sometimes the writers would do would stuff that seemed out of step, which is why I also don't like the mad mad mad mad world and softball episode very much as well. It feels like the writers were interjecting their own pet topics into the show for some reason and it felt forced.
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Jun 18, 2022 07:05
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Homer at the Bat is easily all time Top 5
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The last gag in Homer's Enemy just isn't funny enough to end on
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LIVE AMMO COSPLAY posted:The last gag in Homer's Enemy just isn't funny enough to end on Eh, I liked it. A nice final contrast of dumb sitcom humor (“CHANGE THE CHANNEL MARGE! *snore*”) and the grim reality of the situation (Grimes’ coffin getting lowered).
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The cable stealing ep is such an obnoxious early episode (still funny of course), preachy lisa is annoying enough but it's preachy christian lisa. Stealing from your boss?? Stealing cable?? Oh noooo. I guess it's this sitcom kinda cliche where like, the "truth" is the most important thing. Like Marge giving up the chance to gently caress over Burns for a million bucks when Bart gets hit by a car, or when Lisa doesnt want her underfunded school to get money because I CHEAT CHEAT CHEATED (i love that one since they're completely ready for her pointless stand and hoodwink her)
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I do get it with Marge at least tho since it waaaaas perjury P.s. still not too late to make a whole album of jon lovitz covering the carpenters. Come on reality.
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Jun 18, 2022 08:18
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Lisa definitely should have kept Burns' money but at least that episode ends on a pretty great gag
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Jun 18, 2022 08:33
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The Awesomesaurus posted:Eh, I liked it. A nice final contrast of dumb sitcom humor (“CHANGE THE CHANNEL MARGE! *snore*”) and the grim reality of the situation (Grimes’ coffin getting lowered). It's what Grimes deserved. The episode doesn't really work like what I think the writers were going for because Homer is, apart from eating a dude's lunch once, basically the nicest and most empathetic he's ever been in the series. Grimesy doesn't come across as an ordinary person in an insane world, he comes off as a petulant rear end in a top hat. It's like those early Bugs Bunny cartoons that suck because instead of being provoked by Elmer trying to shoot him or whatever, Bugs goes out of his way to torment a guy who hasn't done anything. Vincent Van Goatse fucked around with this message at 09:07 on Jun 18, 2022 |
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:It's what Grimes deserved. I think this post pretty well captures my feelings on that episode. Yeah it's got some good gags and jokes, but I would never consider it a top-tier "Simpsons episode" on the strength of those jokes alone. The meta element is just too intrusive, and it feels less like the show is mocking Homer than like it's mocking me for finding him funny.
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Bart vs Australia is still the best episode of all time.
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Brother From Another Series you gently caress
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The Grimes episode is great commentary on the ridiculousness of the cartoon world they've created, and has a lot of great gags in general, but people whose brains have been broken by twitter watch it and just get angry at Grimey's false consciousness. (you're not supposed to like him. If he was likable the episode would be too mean. hth) The analysis of it has become a real "cow tools" situation.
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The Moon Monster posted:
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The Moon Monster posted:The Grimes episode is great commentary on the ridiculousness of the cartoon world they've created, and has a lot of great gags in general, but people whose brains have been broken by twitter watch it and just get angry at Grimey's false consciousness. (you're not supposed to like him. If he was likable the episode would be too mean. hth) Yeah. Grimes becomes obsessed with taking Homer down, and that's ultimately what destroys him. Homer is not some malicious force - he's incompetent, but Grimes takes it personally. It reminds me a lot of people who make themselves the arbiter of justice and make pointless stands that only end up hurting themselves to try and stop people that they judge to be unworthy. Grimes thinks that Homer is what is wrong in the world. He thinks pulling Homer down will bring him up, but like all too many times, it only destroys him.
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So did we all agree everything started going down hill the episode with Skinner being an imposter
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I don't mind the big immersion breaking things people cite, like Armin Tamzarian or the whole jockey elves bit (although that wasn't a great episode in general). I guess because I only started watching sometime around season 9 so I hadn't absorbed years of worldbuilding to be shattered. If the whole "he's been an imposter this whole time!" thing doesn't bother you it's actually a pretty good Skinner episode. I could still tell at that point that the newer episodes were lower quality than the reruns, though.
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Punkin Spunkin posted:The cable stealing ep is such an obnoxious early episode (still funny of course), preachy lisa is annoying enough but it's preachy christian lisa. The point of the cable episode isn’t that stealing cable is objectively wrong, but that as child- Lisa is going through a moment where she is being taught about right and wrong and is struggling to deal with all the gray areas and white lies out there in reality. So she views a relatively harmless fraud as a massive wrongdoing. I feel like it’s a pretty common thing especially if you go to Sunday School as an impressionable kid and start wondering ridiculous stuff like, “am I going to burn in hell forever because I said crap once?”. The point is that Lisa is being over-the-top, it’s not vindicating her “preachiness”. She is being irrational but is still a child. Homer as an adult realizes that stealing cable is not a mortal sin but he feels the need to set a good example for his daughter and can’t really rationalize for her quite yet the difference between stealing and stealing. Or as Lionel Hutz put it.... https://youtu.be/xc6tmYYhOUU
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Lascivious Sloth posted:So did we all agree everything started going down hill the episode with Skinner being an imposter I... Like that episode
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WeaponX posted:The point of the cable episode isn’t that stealing cable is objectively wrong, but that as child- Lisa is going through a moment where she is being taught about right and wrong and is struggling to deal with all the gray areas and white lies out there in reality. So she views a relatively harmless fraud as a massive wrongdoing. I feel like it’s a pretty common thing especially if you go to Sunday School as an impressionable kid and start wondering ridiculous stuff like, “am I going to burn in hell forever because I said crap once?”. A lot of early season episodes are basically surprisingly nuanced morality tales like that, including the Bonestorm episode, where Homer and Marge are trying to navigate raising their children in a complex and changing world where traditional black and white morality doesn't always work, and the kids actually act like an eight and a ten year old might. Honestly, given the way the kids develop in later seasons, even before the zombie era, it feels like they should have aged along with the viewers, because the writers clearly start treating them as at least tweens and early adolescents pretty quickly. (the whole Corey hotline episode is something that makes way more sense for an adolescent girl than an eight year old)
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The Awesomesaurus posted:Eh, I liked it. A nice final contrast of dumb sitcom humor (“CHANGE THE CHANNEL MARGE! *snore*”) and the grim reality of the situation (Grimes’ coffin getting lowered). It’s a fantastic ending, Grimey’s indignities don’t even end with the grave. I liked how the writers committed to the decision, he’s not in the hospital or demoted again, he is very dead.
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WeaponX posted:The point of the cable episode isn’t that stealing cable is objectively wrong, but that as child- Lisa is going through a moment where she is being taught about right and wrong and is struggling to deal with all the gray areas and white lies out there in reality. So she views a relatively harmless fraud as a massive wrongdoing. I feel like it’s a pretty common thing especially if you go to Sunday School as an impressionable kid and start wondering ridiculous stuff like, “am I going to burn in hell forever because I said crap once?”.
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steinrokkan posted:I... Like that episode There's nothing wrong with that episode. What I hate about the post-10 seasons of Simpsons is not contained in that episode.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:It's what Grimes deserved. i agree but its still a funny episode so homer's enemy is a land of contrasts
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First Elon Musk and now Grimes, sick of these celebrity episodes.
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up yours children
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:up yours children Skinner would never had said that in seasons 2-9
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Zombie Squared posted:Skinner would never had said that in seasons 2-9 
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Skinner never said it, that's pure Armin
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UP AND ADAM posted:There's nothing wrong with that episode. What I hate about the post-10 seasons of Simpsons is not contained in that episode. I genuinely believe maybe three dozen people actually disliked that episode and then some sour nerd wrote some semi-convincing points about why it's bad and everyone decided that was the correct opinion to have
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