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Solumin
Jan 11, 2013

The only reason you've brought up to keep the tubes is "they sound great" and you don't even really sound very enthusiastic about that. :sever:

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Schwza
Apr 28, 2008
Tube amps are old tech that belongs in boomers basements for them to tinker with. Just befriend some retirees to go play loud in their blues rock bands. Your back will thank you, I got a rumble 500 and can load all my gear in in two easy trips and still overpower my hard hitting drummer.

Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN
I'm surprised you didn't switch to a sansamp years ago

Solumin
Jan 11, 2013

I'm currently borrowing a MarkBass 2x12 cab and a tc electronic bass head from a bandmate, because apparently my little Rumble 40 wasn't cutting it at rehearsals. It's heavy as poo poo and the markbass cab's ergonomics are awful, and I'm this close to just buying a Rumble 500 instead.

nitsuga
Jan 1, 2007

https://www.guitarcenter.com/Used/Fender/Rumble-V3-500W-2x10-Bass-Combo-Amp-118076332.gc

Do it. This is how I landed my 100 for $200 or so. A deal with the devil and all, but whatever.

tarlibone
Aug 1, 2014

it's in the mighty hands of steel
Fun Shoe

Spanish Manlove posted:

I'm surprised you didn't switch to a sansamp years ago

The only reason I've never bought one of these is because any gig where I'd need one had a sound engineer who hooked me up to one as soon as I was set up. Also, the tube head has a direct out of I need it.

Turbinosamente
May 29, 2013

Lights on, Lights off
Speaking of amps apparently I brought it up on discord instead of this thread of whether a pocket bass amp head + cabinet would be worth it. I still wonder about it even though I bought an underpowered 25 watt Orange combo amp for quiet practice cause it was cheap.

curried lamb of God
Aug 31, 2001

we are all Marwinners
I love my Rumble 40, but got my first noise complaint ever a few weeks ago - checked on a DB meter and I was only at 75, lol. The apartment is an old building, concrete construction, but I guess the waves were reverberating...

In a bit of silver lining, I've been playing through my HX Stomp instead and it gave me more reason to read the manual and watch more bass-specific tutorials.

AFewBricksShy
Jun 19, 2003

of a full load.



Saturday was my first time playing in front of a bar crowd (previously we played 2 private parties, that's about it for my music career).
It was nuts and awesome. Unbeknownst to me, apparently it became a thing to sing 7 Nation Army at college football games, so when the crowd started doing that while I was playing the intro it was a bit shocking. Also a bit of a let down afterwards when I learned that fact and realized it wasn't just because I was that good.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Hey you're good enough to make them wanna sing. Not a thing that happens all the time, to say the least.

Scarf
Jun 24, 2005

On sight
For real... Getting the crowd involved at a bar show, even if it only lasts for one song, is fantastic.

AFewBricksShy
Jun 19, 2003

of a full load.



I had one (major) gently caress up during the show, and I just figured out why.
We started Just Like Heaven by the Cure, a super easy 4 note bass line.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ASpBpT8bRQ
But on the way to the gig I was listening to this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YAJhwTF62A

It completely threw me, I couldn't get the A-> up octave E out of my head rather than the A->Open E that I needed to get my brain to lock into the song. My guitarist just had to play the second note and I was good to go, but I completely blanked on that intro until he did that.
(is there a better way of noting that? (open E vs. octave e?)

AFewBricksShy fucked around with this message at 14:56 on Jun 24, 2022

Preggo My Eggo!
Jun 17, 2010
Pretty sure you could say E1 (a low E) and E2 (E an octave higher).

The Leck
Feb 27, 2001

Anyone have any experience with the EBMM USA SUB basses? I’ve been thinking about a stingray-like, and I’ve read some pretty good things. Looks like it would save a few hundred, but I’m not sure yet if the differences are worth the price.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

The Leck posted:

Anyone have any experience with the EBMM USA SUB basses? I’ve been thinking about a stingray-like, and I’ve read some pretty good things. Looks like it would save a few hundred, but I’m not sure yet if the differences are worth the price.

Dunno about how it holds up against the actual StingRay but the Sub 4 is my main bass and I use it everywhere as a gigging musician. It has a real growl to it, its awesome. Fantastic deal.

E: wait it's the sterling by music man sub 4 this one over here: https://www.musiciansfriend.com/bas...QhoC37sQAvD_BwE

All my musician friends complement me on it and I've used it for most recordings I've done. Beat it to hell and back and it just gets better. I love this thing boy howdy

Shageletic fucked around with this message at 14:37 on Jun 26, 2022

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph
I have a beat up Sub ray I got for like $120 from a secondhand shop and I like it a lot. My only gripe is that I am a guitar player pretending to play bass and it feels gigantic in comparison to my guitars.

On that topic, I am avoiding the desire to get a 5 string jazz bass by just tuning down my Sub ray to C. What string gauge would I want for dropping down 2 steps like that?

Preggo My Eggo!
Jun 17, 2010
I have one of the fancy new Stingray Specials and an older Sterling by Music Man Ray34, which I've heard is on par with the newer SUB basses. Both of them are excellent, and the cheaper one is absolutely adequate when compared to the more expensive one. I say go for it.

The Science Goy
Mar 27, 2007

Where did you learn to drive?
I personally like B strings around .130 or so, so a .125 or .130 set is probably reasonable for C.

If you don't mind a touch higher tension, you could just get a five string set, ditch the smallest string, and use the rest for C.

That being said, fivers are awesome.



E: you'll probably need to have your nut filed to fit such large strings, keep that in mind

The Science Goy fucked around with this message at 05:44 on Jun 26, 2022

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph
Are ghs strings decent quality? They have a set that goes to 115 that seem like they'd split the difference well. I am used to filing nuts and sometimes bridges to put really short scale guitars into the same tuning so that should be no problem

I would love to get a 5 string fretless jazz bass and slap some flatwounds on it but I 100% cannot justify such a thing at this time as a not even bass player

ewe2
Jul 1, 2009

I am considering flatwounds on my 735 when the current rounds wear down and I've enjoyed my GHS flats on my SB2 but was thinking of going back to rounds there and flats on the 5er. But I'd probably try something different than GHS, nothing wrong with them tension or tone at all, I would just like a change. They're a safe bet for someone new to flats though, they won't break the bank and they'll last for years.

DrChu
May 14, 2002

The Leck posted:

Anyone have any experience with the EBMM USA SUB basses? I’ve been thinking about a stingray-like, and I’ve read some pretty good things. Looks like it would save a few hundred, but I’m not sure yet if the differences are worth the price.

I had one for a while, the biggest differences between them and the regular US releases were the slab body and painted neck. The pickup and electronics were their standard active two-band setup (which it turned out I liked a lot better than the three-band Stingray I had that I sold it and found an older two-band one) or a passive version which is more rare and doesn’t sound as good. The bridges are the same, I forget if the tuning keys were but they were fine regardless. Early ones have the diamond plate pickguards but later ones have plain ones. If the price is right, I think the biggest thing would be if you could deal with the slab body or not, followed by the feel of the painted neck.

nine16thsdago
Jun 29, 2005
fprintf(stderr, "this should never print\n");
I ordered my SBMM short scale back in September and i love the thing. i'm playing this one fairly consistently and finally changed the strings today with OEM equivalent strings from stringjoy. wow, what a difference! i haven't heard that growl for a while. i was in the habit initially of backing off the high end about half but noticed i had it all the way up recently. when I ordered I set up the 6mo. subscription from SJ, but now i'm thinking i should probably change more frequently...

tarlibone
Aug 1, 2014

it's in the mighty hands of steel
Fun Shoe
Lots of feelings today. I set ol' girl up for one last trip around the sonic block.



It's loaded up now and will be headed to a music shop that sells on consignment. They have a storefront and Reverb presence and I don't, so it's worth the commission. I'm going to clean up and head out soon, but man this feels weird. I've rationalized letting this thing go a few different logical ways, and all of them are valid. This amp sounds amazing. Truly amazing. But an amazing amp that's so loud that you can never turn it up past 3 without rattling your window panes right out of the frames is one that you can only count on playing about once a year, and that's being extremely generous. In the past, this has gone a couple years without even being powered up because it's just so much.

Now, back in the early 'aughts, this got a lot of use at big bars and clubs where my bands would be playing. This isn't an amp that a rich kid got because it was the most expensive one in the shop and therefore the best, and then it never got used because the kid got interested in something else a few weeks later. No sir. This thing has seen some fuckin' gigs. Smoky bar gigs. Rowdy club gigs. Girls flashing their tits at the band gigs. Young Hell Bent For Pleather Tarlibone Days Of Glory gigs where I didn't get home until 3:30 AM and had to be at work for an 8-hour shift the next day at 5 AM.

This was something my pop got me when he got a financial windfall in 1999 or so. Biggest, best surprise of my life. I didn't ask for this, or anything, but he knew I'd outgrown the KB300 I'd been using for years. Dad's gone now, those bands are gone now, those clubs are gone now, and I just don't need this anymore. And I do need the space. It's too much for me.

Someone else needs it, and it needs someone who will use it. Look for it soon on Reverb if you have some money burning a hole in your pocket. Or if you're a rich kid looking for a pre-relic'ed, vintage-ish amp. Or both, I guess? But if you buy this, use it.

It started raining the moment I shut the hatch on my Ford Escape. One of the reasons I chose the Escape was that I could fit this entire rig in it, should I ever need to do so. And I did... once, mainly to say that I did it.

nitsuga
Jan 1, 2007

I trust you took our advice because it was truly for the best. That said, I'll pour one out for the sunn tonight. Gone but not forgotten.

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004

коммунизм хранится в яичках
Hopefully someone else will pick it up and drag it back out to the bars if it ever becomes safer to have gigs.

Xander B Coolridge
Sep 2, 2011

Shageletic posted:

Dunno about how it holds up against the actual StingRay but the Sub 4 is my main bass and I use it everywhere as a gigging musician. It has a real growl to it, its awesome. Fantastic deal.

E: wait it's the sterling by music man sub 4 this one over here: https://www.musiciansfriend.com/bas...QhoC37sQAvD_BwE

All my musician friends complement me on it and I've used it for most recordings I've done. Beat it to hell and back and it just gets better. I love this thing boy howdy

Holy poo poo I literally came to this thread to ask about the relative value of buying cheaper basses and modding them or buying expensive because I found this exact bass and love it.

I've got 4 basses below $400 and trying to convince myself to finally buy a solid piece of equipment, but this sub 4 feels so loving good. Better than any of the more expensive Rays in the store.

I think I might buy it

Edit: I bought it

Xander B Coolridge fucked around with this message at 00:16 on Jul 11, 2022

nitsuga
Jan 1, 2007

You made a fine choice. Run what you brung and gently caress the haters.

Frozen Pizza Party
Dec 13, 2005

Xander B Coolridge posted:

Holy poo poo I literally came to this thread to ask about the relative value of buying cheaper basses and modding them or buying expensive because I found this exact bass and love it.

I've got 4 basses below $400 and trying to convince myself to finally buy a solid piece of equipment, but this sub 4 feels so loving good. Better than any of the more expensive Rays in the store.

I think I might buy it

Edit: I bought it

I had been doing that, had a few basses, upgraded some things here and there, then I dropped some coin on a nice Ibanez SR1600B. Let me tell you, the quality and craftsmanship of the premium line is WAY out of anything I've ever had's league. So much so that I just made up grammar. It's an absolute joy to play, it sounds great, I didn't know sustain could last this long. The fretwork is perfect, the body contours are impeccable and I could just go on and on about this thing. Seriously, I didn't know this was possible, figured hey, wood is wood, tone blah blah, how different could they be? Very different indeed.

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



[ASK] me about OS/2 Warp
I bought a $225 SX Jazz 5er, gave it a nice setup, threw some aftermarket rail pickups in it, swapped out the tone control for a homebrew varitone, and swapped in pull pots for the volumes for series/parallel and phase switch. It has a thousand sounds and most of them are good. Love cheap basses you can hack on without guilt. Total hack cost was like 80 bucks including a fresh set of slinkys

e: i am definitely not good enough to justify owning a >400 dollar bass

Basic Poster
May 11, 2015

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.

On Facebook
Well I posted a while back about a song I was having trouble with and got most of it. Missing a few passing notes and a vertical fill. But said I'd post it once I figured it out. No where else to post it so here ya go thread.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zr7hdaEegHdBSsgsFfMhstrXIRB0Kh6W/view?usp=drivesdk

Original is Conor albert-piano joint and I had a lot of fun learning it.

tarlibone
Aug 1, 2014

it's in the mighty hands of steel
Fun Shoe

Frozen Pizza Party posted:

I had been doing that, had a few basses, upgraded some things here and there, then I dropped some coin on a nice Ibanez SR1600B. Let me tell you, the quality and craftsmanship of the premium line is WAY out of anything I've ever had's league. So much so that I just made up grammar. It's an absolute joy to play, it sounds great, I didn't know sustain could last this long. The fretwork is perfect, the body contours are impeccable and I could just go on and on about this thing. Seriously, I didn't know this was possible, figured hey, wood is wood, tone blah blah, how different could they be? Very different indeed.

Same here, but with Fender. I've had a bunch of basses over the years, and I still have many of them. Most were Fenders, some were Ibanez. All were right around the $400 - $700 range, and this was in 1990s/2000s money, when I bought most of my gear. At that time and at those price points, for that money, you weren't getting something you had to upgrade, but you definitely could. And much later, I did start fiddling with the electronics for better tones. They all felt perfectly fine in the hands, and none were rough around the edges like budget basses of today.

(Budget basses existed back then, too, but whereas today you'll get a generally playable instrument that sounds OK, if not great; back then, you got something that was just barely functional and would not last for long. Budget gear back when I was coming up was not what it is today. You kids today, you know nothing of the struggle....)

Then I spent some serious money on an instrument. Four figures, for the first time in my life. That was just a couple years ago, when the pandemic had started (I think?) and I ended up with a nice bonus from work. Finally, I pulled the trigger on a new-to-me American Professional Precision Bass, which for some crazy reason is the bass I'd always wanted--the apotheosis of P-bass-ness. And yeah, the little details you don't notice on the less expensive instruments... you notice those improvements on the more expensive ones.

When comparing a $400 P-bass and a $1400 P-bass, I can't say that the latter is $1000 better than the former... but it is better. And we're talking about a single-pickup, two-knob, passive bass with 4 strings, 20 frets, and a bolt-on, fast-rear end neck. I can only imagine how much nicer the fancier basses are.

Turbinosamente
May 29, 2013

Lights on, Lights off
I have a fender professional II jazz bass and it is the favorite child, even though there isn't much difference over the player's model. And yeah I did notice the little stuff like a deeper heel cut, string through, and different pickup behavior even though they sound identical. Probably not worth the $1000 more but it makes me happy. I still hold to the maxim that after 2 or 3k it's diminishing returns on guitars and basses though.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Xander B Coolridge posted:

Holy poo poo I literally came to this thread to ask about the relative value of buying cheaper basses and modding them or buying expensive because I found this exact bass and love it.

I've got 4 basses below $400 and trying to convince myself to finally buy a solid piece of equipment, but this sub 4 feels so loving good. Better than any of the more expensive Rays in the store.

I think I might buy it

Edit: I bought it

Hell yeah this is the best thing in the world and allows me to kick rear end as a bassman

Just had a gig with a new band (original music, post punk and noisy), and asked the sound guy if he had any suggestions for improvement. He mentioned that I should use 25 feet cable for all my three cables (two for the pedal board, one for my small keyboard). I had some issues with sound cutting in and out. The distance seemed fine, but does stretching a quarter inch hurt the sound quality?

The Science Goy
Mar 27, 2007

Where did you learn to drive?
Longer unbalanced cables can get treble rolloff due to the capacitance of the cable. 20' roughly is where this rolloff can start being noticeable, but it's not as much of an issue with bass vs guitar since the harmonic content of the bass isn't as present in those upper frequencies. As a loose generalization, better/more expensive cables tend to have less of this rolloff compared to cheaper/lower quality cables at a given length.

This vid is super long but they demo what happens when additional cable length is added to the signal chain, with and without a buffer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaZY4P_hsuU

E: embedding the timestamp is being a butt, so jump to 9 minutes in

The Science Goy fucked around with this message at 23:15 on Jul 16, 2022

Turbinosamente
May 29, 2013

Lights on, Lights off
Crap there's another video around that also demonstrates the "tone suck" that can occur with longer cables, and I believe they showed a boost pedal as one solution to it. At the time I was researching as to wtf a boost pedal does versus a buffered pedal I think, it's been a while.

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord

Turbinosamente posted:

I have a fender professional II jazz bass and it is the favorite child, even though there isn't much difference over the player's model. And yeah I did notice the little stuff like a deeper heel cut, string through, and different pickup behavior even though they sound identical. Probably not worth the $1000 more but it makes me happy. I still hold to the maxim that after 2 or 3k it's diminishing returns on guitars and basses though.

I agree with your sentiment and it goes for other manufacturers too. I have a ray 35 and a stingray 4 9v, and they sound pretty similar, voicings are not identical but many players would probably not be able to pick them apart when solo'd let alone in the mix. The Ray35 is very good value for the money compared to the new 18v stingrays at double the cost provided you are fine with a heavier bass. Things really do diminish above 2k imo.

Frozen Pizza Party
Dec 13, 2005

Turbinosamente posted:

I have a fender professional II jazz bass and it is the favorite child, even though there isn't much difference over the player's model. And yeah I did notice the little stuff like a deeper heel cut, string through, and different pickup behavior even though they sound identical. Probably not worth the $1000 more but it makes me happy. I still hold to the maxim that after 2 or 3k it's diminishing returns on guitars and basses though.

I'd even go so far as to cut that number down to 1200-2k, I think for the most part it just becomes fancier doodads or more exotic woods. The craftsmanship is still going to be in that 'handmade' sweetspot on the lower tiers of premium, and the electronics are going to be ace. Could they be better, sure, but I think at that point for the layman it's as you mentioned exactly, diminishing returns.

It's quite insane how much difference there is, I was 100% content playing on cheaper stuff, I'm talking the $40 facebook marketplace 1997 SR300, or a slightly fancier Yamaha that I have, they were all fine and good. This expensive instrument is absolutely mind blowing though. The bass I'm working with is a bolt on neck, as are all of the SR series I think, I could only imagine how a super nice neck-thru would feel in the hands.

Ybrik
Jan 1, 2008



As someone who has a real hard time talking myself out of things when I get an idea in my head, and as someone who owns a perfectly fine MiM Fender Jazz, I bought a Walnut Rickenbacker and it brings me joy every time I hold it. Like I'm smiling just thinking about it lol

muike
Mar 16, 2011

ガチムチ セブン
Those walnut ricks are so sick. I was gonna buy one until I impulse bought a blue one for a good deal. the hipshot replacement bridge is highly, highly recommended

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Kilometers Davis
Jul 9, 2007

They begin again

Ybrik posted:

As someone who has a real hard time talking myself out of things when I get an idea in my head, and as someone who owns a perfectly fine MiM Fender Jazz, I bought a Walnut Rickenbacker and it brings me joy every time I hold it. Like I'm smiling just thinking about it lol

Bolded is in my opinion the best and possibly only reason to own any specific piece of music gear. Hope you like it more and more every day!

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