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After the incident with Seth, Ice Princess is no longer allowed to participate at Herogasm.
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Jun 19, 2022 07:13
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Bussamove posted:No all those other examples don’t count anyone could survive a train being dropped on them come on. This and pointing out we've seen him survive bullets are missing the point. Starlight and Maeve can do that. The idea would be to show how much better and more invincible he is than them, not than a normal human. emanresu tnuocca posted:It's pretty funny this whole thing, idk, there are currently two shows on TV, in fact both on Amazon Prime, that the entire premise is built on the concet of 'Hey, isn't Superman actually a super terrifying thing?' (on a sidenote, this concept itself is explroed in some Superman comics as well, but, yeah), one of them is Invincible which is an animated show so obviously we get superman to do crazy things all the time, the other show being the Boys where we had some shorthand to show that Homelander is on a whole different power level and other than that his power is more of a plot dynamic thing, everyone else is scared of him, every other supe on earth combined can't face up to him, and in my opinion that's enough like, you can't show million dollar supe fights like it's a marvel movie and even if you could we all know how those movies kinda falter in exactly this whole aspect, a very strong humanoid punching another strong humanoid with their strength levels varying minute to minute so that the fight has some dramatic back and forth, it really kinda sucks, we all know we're going to get a similar marvel battle between butcher and homelander but the show is already working on making that particular showdown more satisfying in because Billy basically has to sacrifice everything just to get to the point where there's even a point in him swinging a fist at homelander, the fact that Billy would just stand there knowing that Homelander can vaporize him where he stands is kinda what drives the whole show. The comparison to Invincible is a good one, because in that show you did get regular demonstrations of Omni-Man's powers compared to everyone else's whereas in The Boys it's mostly inferred from everyone cowering. It wouldn't even have to be an adversarial thing, they could just go on some Vought team-up to show off his powers. I just want to see the psycho superman cut loose, is it too much to ask.
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Jun 19, 2022 07:35
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it's pretty dubious whether Butcher is willing to do anything or cross anyone just to accomplish the goals he has set his mind to. Are the ends really more important to him than the means? maybe they could show how ice-cold he is by adopting a puppy & bonding with it, but then throws it into a volcano when it starts to get in the way of his drug & murder addiction.
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Jun 19, 2022 07:40
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Butcher and homelander just need to drop the foreplay and kiss
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Jun 19, 2022 07:42
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tokin opposition posted:Butcher and homelander just need to drop the foreplay and kiss
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Jun 19, 2022 07:50
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soldier boy needs to go out of his way to make Jonathan Blow cry. ideally while in character shouting yooop
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Jun 19, 2022 07:59
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I wonder how many people wanting to cease specific things have recently watched season one and two, where they probably showed those things? On the complete opposite hand, I love the female dance sequences even though they don’t give us any new information. It’s a very funny contrast to Huey starlight and Butcher Maeve.
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Jun 19, 2022 08:44
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I think Season 2 has that bit where Homelander is daydreaming about cleaving through a crowd of thousands with his laser eyes, that always seemed enough for me, the guy is a walking genocide machine, beyond the fact that no supe can take him on directly he's a bad day away from just destroying entire cities, the man can topple a skyscraper with ease, probably.
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Jun 19, 2022 09:53
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And let's be honest the actual on screen supe fight at the end of season 2 was probably the cheapest this show has ever felt, it's not like the show is really great at pulling off these super hero battles, it's a good thing that they're conservative with their use of supe action sequences. And hey as long as it's not as ridiculous as it was in Heroes where every cool sequenced happened just off screen I really don't think there's much to complain about, the show really has plenty of cool effects and supe related visuals.
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Jun 19, 2022 09:56
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I don't think the point is that the show is bad because of the lack of durability feats on Homelander's part—the argument is that an already amazing show could've had something else good about it, through easy, quick, & inexpensive ways of showing his invulnerability. The Botulinum Toxin idea (or something else that looks deadly) would require nothing but a brief, few second shot of someone pouring something vile looking into Homelander's milk. Stick that in front of the many already established scenes of him drinking milk, and you've got a good demo of his strength. You lose nothing but a few seconds, and gain a visual demonstration of his superiority. Find a way to get a knife in his eye during one of the scenes where he's torturing petty criminals to death—they'd make one last, desperate, futile attempt to hurt him before their respective scenes play as normal. Again, no Marvel movie sized budget needed for that. Heck, have Homelander himself insist that Neuman try to pop his head, under the guise of just messing around. She tries, an ominous and intense sound effect plays as she glares at Homelander, her eyes going milky... And Antony Starr just smiles throughout it all. After that ominous sound effect and eye filter end, the two go on as normal. Fionordequester fucked around with this message at 11:16 on Jun 19, 2022 |
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Jun 19, 2022 11:11
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emanresu tnuocca posted:And let's be honest the actual on screen supe fight at the end of season 2 was probably the cheapest this show has ever felt, it's not like the show is really great at pulling off these super hero battles, it's a good thing that they're conservative with their use of supe action sequences. And hey as long as it's not as ridiculous as it was in Heroes where every cool sequenced happened just off screen I really don't think there's much to complain about, the show really has plenty of cool effects and supe related visuals. I dread the day the boys discover the secret true power of "the door".
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Jun 19, 2022 11:16
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emanresu tnuocca posted:I think Season 2 has that bit where Homelander is daydreaming about cleaving through a crowd of thousands with his laser eyes, that always seemed enough for me, the guy is a walking genocide machine, beyond the fact that no supe can take him on directly he's a bad day away from just destroying entire cities, the man can topple a skyscraper with ease, probably. For me, this has a lot to do with it as well. Let's pretend that Maeve and Starlight are just as durable as he is. He is still a lot more deadly. If he looks are you, you are dead.
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Jun 19, 2022 11:16
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Fionordequester posted:I don't think the point is that the show is bad because of the lack of durability feats on Homelander's part—the argument is that an already amazing show could've had something else good about it, through easy, quick, & inexpensive ways of showing his invulnerability. forums posters make terrible TV writers
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Jun 19, 2022 11:30
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Fionordequester posted:I don't think the point is that the show is bad because of the lack of durability feats on Homelander's part—the argument is that an already amazing show could've had something else good about it, through easy, quick, & inexpensive ways of showing his invulnerability. The head pop idea is good. We’ve seen him be plenty invincible to regular people and bullets and being hit by trains and such, but a ton of other supes have also been shot. I don’t think he’s been superattacked before.
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Jun 19, 2022 11:30
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The congressional hearing head-popping scene had people running around, screaming in a wild panic, while Homelander just looks around sort of amused and confused. 
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Jun 19, 2022 11:51
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any real supe fight on screen will look like some lovely dragonball z garbage and im glad they only tried it once on screen, even then they had to settle for what looked like a normal human beatdown interrupted by eye lazers properly visually depicting superman fighting superman is loving impossible Goast fucked around with this message at 11:59 on Jun 19, 2022 |
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Jun 19, 2022 11:56
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jabby posted:
This is the only problem with selling Homelander on another tier of power to other characters, we are only being told it. If Homelander did to A-train what Omni-man did to that show's Flash counterpart it would give all the cowering and whispering by other supes much more weight. What other supes has Homelander killed/fought on screen, because we only see Supersonic dead it takes the gravity away from it.
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Jun 19, 2022 12:02
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jabby posted:Hughie and Starlight's relationship is so doomed. Yeah they went pretty heavy on making this clear. Like just that one scene spelled everything out. OUT WANT TO SAVE YOU STARLIGHT PLS LET ME SAVE YOU 
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Jun 19, 2022 12:03
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Hughie's being borderline cucked by her supe boss and her supe ex (well not now). Of course he's horny for/super insecure about powers. It's kind of a flip bc book Hughie drives his fist entirely through hamster guy early on and is traumatized by it like forever.
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Jun 19, 2022 14:02
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What if they showed every hero power level? “Homelander has 100.000.000.000, Maeve looks strong but she's only at 100.000.000!” Then we’d actually know how strong he is! And why everyone is terrified around him
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Jun 19, 2022 14:04
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Give (clap) Butcher (clap) a (clap) scouter (clap)
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Jun 19, 2022 14:14
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I want ashley to get taken out by the baseball homelander threw into orbit in season 1. Preferably after the credits have rolled on the final ever episode.
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Jun 19, 2022 14:29
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If the fight that kills Homelander is some drawn out fight I'll be very disappointed. I kinda want it to be incredibly fast and violent with an almost immediate conclusion. I just think that would be the way a "real" kill Superman fight would go. Either your plan works and some of you die killing a living god very quickly so they don't have time to think/react, or it fails and you're immediately hosed.
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Jun 19, 2022 14:59
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i appreciated that the boys' version of robert evans is the robert evans from the patton oswalt bit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkN226PToig
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Jun 19, 2022 15:01
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Miss Mowcher posted:What if they showed every hero power level? That's still "telling instead of showing"--not to mention the problem of figuring out whether to treat the PLs linearly. Does a 500 PL fighter walk all over a 400 PL fighter? If so, can the same be said of a 900,000 PL guy vs a 899,900 guy? Or should it be "900,000 PL vs " 800,000 PL", since that looks neater? And then you have the additional problem of " why does anyone even bother fighting?". All fights would, logically, begin and end with the fighters whipping out their scouters, then deciding who submits from there. Not terribly exciting. Those are the problems Dragon Ball Z ran into when it tried that--I'd hate to see that repeated for any other show. Fionordequester fucked around with this message at 15:15 on Jun 19, 2022 |
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Jun 19, 2022 15:09
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Robobot posted:If the fight that kills Homelander is some drawn out fight I'll be very disappointed. I kinda want it to be incredibly fast and violent with an almost immediate conclusion. I just think that would be the way a "real" kill Superman fight would go. Either your plan works and some of you die killing a living god very quickly so they don't have time to think/react, or it fails and you're immediately hosed. That’s exactly how it went in the comic,it was like 2 or 3 panels then the fight happened offscreen and then a great shot of the immediate aftermath.
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Jun 19, 2022 15:09
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Indeed. I was always impressed by how much damage Homelander inflicted on Black Noir, despite supposedly being a bit weaker. Dude went down swinging! Also, is the above even a spoiler, at this point? Given how wildly the show differs from the comic?
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Jun 19, 2022 15:13
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Fionordequester posted:That's still "telling instead of showing"--not to mention the problem of figuring out whether to treat the PLs linearly. are you... are you not understanding the person was making a joke or did you decide to just go ahead and break down the issues with power levels in fiction
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Jun 19, 2022 15:15
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Personally I can't wait to see Hughie (Potential Unleashed) vs Homelander ( True Ascended Super Man)
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Jun 19, 2022 15:16
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crepeface posted:are you... are you not understanding the person was making a joke or did you decide to just go ahead and break down the issues with power levels in fiction I figured they were--but one can never be certain. And, regardless of their intent, it's still an interesting topic. Fionordequester fucked around with this message at 15:24 on Jun 19, 2022 |
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Jun 19, 2022 15:21
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idk if it's an interesting topic OP
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Jun 19, 2022 15:24
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To be honest I’d rather have OP’s thing than Ronald Reagan No Dignity posted:Personally I can't wait to see Hughie (Potential Unleashed) vs Homelander ( True Ascended Super Man) Naked hughie: “laser my balls”
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Jun 19, 2022 15:32
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How are we, the viewer, supposed to properly gauge Homelanders power if we've never seen him shove the entire moon up his rear end?
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Jun 19, 2022 15:52
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No Dignity posted:Personally I can't wait to see Hughie (Potential Unleashed) vs Homelander ( True Ascended Super Man) I will not rest until we see an on screen appearance of Serge Rojo and MM Calvo
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Jun 19, 2022 16:06
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I thought Jupiter's Legacy (netflix) had a pretty good superhero fights. Everything seems properly overpowered and brutal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fgN5h5LXn0
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Jun 19, 2022 16:15
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I’m starting to think this story might be fictional
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Jun 19, 2022 16:26
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2nd level spells posted:I thought Jupiter's Legacy (netflix) had a pretty good superhero fights. Everything seems properly overpowered and brutal This is good for the CW
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Jun 19, 2022 16:34
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I think showing the power of all the other supes and then showing how terrified they are of Homelander does a good job illustrating his strength without relying on stupid gimmicks.
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Jun 19, 2022 16:51
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TV writers really need to stop having a character attempt to get another character to kill someone under duress. Frenchie doesn't want to kill anymore, Nina is trying to get him to keep killing through intimidation, ergo kill Nina. She doesn't even walk around with guarda. It's not like Frenchie hasn't killed before. I assume she just has powers we haven't seen yet.
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Jun 19, 2022 17:08
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whatever they are doing with homelander is the right move he's perfect, I'm actually a bit worried they're gonna off him and the show just won't be the same anymoreNoam Chomsky posted:TV writers really need to stop having a character attempt to get another character to kill someone under duress. Frenchie doesn't want to kill anymore, Nina is trying to get him to keep killing through intimidation, ergo kill Nina. She doesn't even walk around with guarda. It's not like Frenchie hasn't killed before. I assume she just has powers we haven't seen yet. yeah I hate stuff like that, and I don't particularly care for the whole frenchie/nina plot line, reminds me of a similar plot-line from the expanse except that one was handled in a side book. runaway dog fucked around with this message at 17:20 on Jun 19, 2022 |
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