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Joey McChrist posted:for the record i want to say i'm very glad to see you posting here again MJeff
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Brut posted:If you mean disclosing an identity, that is 100% not going to happen. If you mean stopping the person purchasing from doing more of it, that is very likely not going to happen either unless they start issuing chargebacks, otherwise abuse the system somehow or something along those lines. Just so you’re aware Karmic and ESPECIALLY Junpei are more or less absentee mods. They have no strong interest in being a part of the community, and it takes heavy prodding to get either to do anything.
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Yea ok is the scariest poster because their avatar is of Broly, the most powerful of all anime. Everyone in their right mind should be scared of posting in front of a power level like that. On a more on-topic note. The more lovely aspects of the AEW thread come out when people start posting about other posters, posting about the state of the AEW thread, or trying to deep six a conversation in progress. The examples that most stick out to me tend to revolve around someone mentioning that a talent is a piece of poo poo (for politics, being a sex pest, whatever), others will show up and metapost to complain about other people complaining about chuds or some poo poo. Seems like most of the problems being talked about in here could be solved with a general "Don't talk about the aew thread in the aew thread" guideline. The thread should be for talking about aew wrestling, aew wrestlers, and tony khan's crippling cocaine and posting addiction.
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NienNunb posted:it takes heavy prodding to get either to do anything. Or posting a gif as a tweet
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Eat My Fuc posted:You’re right it’s not nice but it’s also said half heartedly to people who actually seething over Cody, a good guy who does good things and has a lot of dedicated fans like myself. They should act less unhinged about Cody Rhodes existing, which they have lately, and I appreciate it. I hear you. I enjoy most of your posts, and you're one of the few people who I automatically read when I see their avatar. I've never been very into Cody, but it's good to have different viewpoints.
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Are they? I thought Karmic was just doing that thing mods do where they suddenly stop posting because they want to look impartial and feel like they need to act weird now
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Brut posted:Look the only way to prove what you're trying to say is to make a new EPA RSF or forum and it sounds like that's the opposite of what you want, so maybe it's worth reconsidering what it is you're trying to do with these last few posts here. I was mostly trying to refute the idea that the sub-forum would be improved by being more like EPA, which is what the original post I replied to was arguing. If you wanted to revive the EPA, I imagine that there would be posters who'd really like that (I wouldn't but mostly I'm sanguine because it's been proven not to be particularly successful).
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Jun 20, 2022 23:20
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STAC Goat posted:Yeah, rationally Lid is just the one who still feels the forums are worth posting in and fighting for. Others are explicitly saying they don't. Sorry to everyone I had to catch up on all this and still reading the previous well 200 posts. This right here is why I willingly did something others in the replies labelled a massive whiny embarrassment of showing my own rear end. Because finally we are having this conversation. Good posters, so many, just don't post because it's not worth it and have shown up in this thread with thoughtful explanations of why and why it wasn't worth it. I want this place to be bigger and better and I love wrestling and AEW. If it meant being labelled for doing it whatever, we're finally having an actual dialogue rather than pretending there isn't a problem.
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collocation posted:I hear you. I enjoy most of your posts, and you're one of the few people who I automatically read when I see their avatar. I've never been very into Cody, but it's good to have different viewpoints. I’m going to try and be kinder myself. Thanks for the reminder, you’re cool in my book.
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Gumball Gumption posted:Are they? I thought Karmic was just doing that thing mods do where they suddenly stop posting because they want to look impartial and feel like they need to act weird now We’re coming up on 24 hours since the forum broke out into civil war with neither sight nor sound of them.
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Jun 20, 2022 23:22
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NienNunb posted:We’re coming up on 24 hours since the forum broke out into civil war with neither sight nor sound of them. Yeah but if we've figured out anything the problem here is being far too invested in the seriousness of a wrestling forum This will amount to a couple probs and the main characters thinking it's another peg in the conspiracy.
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Jun 20, 2022 23:24
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Lid posted:Sorry to everyone I had to catch up on all this and still reading the previous well 200 posts. You accused a bunch of people who I don't think ever actually talk to each other of being a clique who people have to walk on eggshells around for fear of reprisal. I never talk to yea ok outside of PSP, haven't talked to Stone Cold 64 in over a decade and my interactions with Nien Numb are we are in the same group DM where after every Dynamite I type "Good show!" into the DM and then don't post until Rampage where I repeat. You accused us of being a clique based on nothing and are now acting like you did something noble.
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Gumball Gumption posted:Yeah but if we've figured out anything the problem here is being far too invested in the seriousness of a wrestling forum Dude it's not a conspiracy and there is no cabal, the point if it was to show the behaviour that happens and keeps happening of means pirated shitposting. The problem, as others here said, is that it's a culture across multiple people not like some leadership bad eggs. Reading these replies there have been a lot of strawmanning to wave away what was actually said and the issues presented, because it's easy to dunk on a straw man. Which is the problem.
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MassRafTer posted:You accused a bunch of people who I don't think ever actually talk to each other of being a clique who people have to walk on eggshells around for fear of reprisal. I never talk to yea ok outside of PSP, haven't talked to Stone Cold 64 in over a decade and my interactions with Nien Numb are we are in the same group DM where after every Dynamite I type "Good show!" into the DM and then don't post until Rampage where I repeat. You accused us of being a clique based on nothing and are now acting like you did something noble. accused of being the kliq when you're actually the job squad smh
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I would like to see *more* AEW threads. MRT's established a great weekly news and views thread but if someone wants to take a deeper dive on a topic or thought, go for it imo I remember making a brawl for all thread just cuz one day, wasnt the first time we chatted about it and wont be the last I hope, but we got a couple fun pages talking about Brakkus throwing hands.
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MassRafTer posted:You accused a bunch of people who I don't think ever actually talk to each other of being a clique who people have to walk on eggshells around for fear of reprisal. I never talk to yea ok outside of PSP, haven't talked to Stone Cold 64 in over a decade and my interactions with Nien Numb are we are in the same group DM where after every Dynamite I type "Good show!" into the DM and then don't post until Rampage where I repeat. You accused us of being a clique based on nothing and are now acting like you did something noble. And here I was considering you a friend 
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MassRafTer posted:You accused a bunch of people who I don't think ever actually talk to each other of being a clique who people have to walk on eggshells around for fear of reprisal. I never talk to yea ok outside of PSP, haven't talked to Stone Cold 64 in over a decade and my interactions with Nien Numb are we are in the same group DM where after every Dynamite I type "Good show!" into the DM and then don't post until Rampage where I repeat. You accused us of being a clique based on nothing and are now acting like you did something noble. As others in this thread have said and prefer it's closer to a clubhouse and there have been numerous posts in the last 200 saying clubhouse. Yeah I said clique, the wrong term, but when the replies aren't on the substance but on "you used the word clique incorrectly and I can disprove it" it doesn't feel you actually care about what was saud but more on what was technically wrong on a dictionary level.
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I think MRT is upset because the initial assertion felt like 'these assholes are conspiring to stink it up!' because of the clique framing, which obviously feels like a bit of a personal attack and, yanno, is something that's going to get someone defensive, not because of quibbles with exact terms or whatever- the term being used meant something on the emotional level.
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Lid posted:Dude it's not a conspiracy and there is no cabal, the point if it was to show the behaviour that happens and keeps happening of means pirated shitposting. The problem, as others here said, is that it's a culture across multiple people not like some leadership bad eggs. From my perspective the culture you dislike is the people trying to keep things fun and not serious and the culture you want is the one where people get mad as hell when people don’t tow a specific line at all times. Why the WWE threads get so toxic is because people shout down anyone being funny or not severely negative or doing “jokes” where they say horrible poo poo as McMahon etc. It’s the opposite side of the AEW thread coin where people are so defensive there any light hearted riffing is seen as toxic. I don’t know my friend, i’m reading everything you’re saying and not sure what you want and who these mystery posters who are afraid of other posters are. All love, just want to understand.
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STAC Goat posted:Yeah, rationally Lid is just the one who still feels the forums are worth posting in and fighting for. Others are explicitly saying they don't. Lid posted:Sorry to everyone I had to catch up on all this and still reading the previous well 200 posts. Speaking of hero vs. villain framing. Jesus Christ.
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NienNunb posted:And here I was considering you a friend I think you are cool! Lid posted:As others in this thread have said and prefer it's closer to a clubhouse and there have been numerous posts in the last 200 saying clubhouse. Yeah I said clique, the wrong term, but when the replies aren't on the substance but on "you used the word clique incorrectly and I can disprove it" it doesn't feel you actually care about what was saud but more on what was technically wrong on a dictionary level. When you claim a bunch of people are acting a certain way, they don't talk to each other much and you are the person who posts the most in the threads you are claiming this activity happens in, you might be projecting a little bit. You brought up a bunch of disconnected people who don't share a posting style or whatever. If people think I'm a jerk, fine. I can understand that, but accusing a bunch of other people, especially yea ok who doesn't do anything close to what you are accusing people of is just wrong.
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I think when you see the same people go after multiple people, it's easy to see it as a clique, even if that's not the proper definition, and even if it just means that they have similar sensibilities and dislike similar things. It doesn't really matter if people are friends or talk off the forum. The posts are what they are, whether good or bad. I don't read every post, but I haven't seen MRT involved in that type of situation.
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Eat My Fuc posted:From my perspective the culture you dislike is the people trying to keep things fun and not serious and the culture you want is the one where people I want jokes and Taz youtube videos that are awesome, and zingy one liners, but not dismissiveness mean spirited toxicity. You can have mutual respect and still Josh each other, but there's a gently caress tonne of no respect in the joking. It's a lot of punching down and not caring about the other person you're talking to. RobbZombae posted:After I watched a few of my first Dynamites last year I posted in an AEW thread about what I liked and didn't like, mentioning I'm in the UK and not enjoying seemingly random stacks of multi-man tag matches. This is a very good summary of a lot of users average experience.
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I can only speak for myself, but I'm upset because I was explicitly called out, by name, with all of my intentions laid bare by someone who has never had a conversation with me. Then in private, told what a menace I am. I'm thankful for everyone that has posted, who weren't named in the List (because they would obviously only want to dogpile, right?) that said kind things to assuage my fears. I try very hard to not stick my Broly nose where it doesn't belong, and I really can't help if people think I'm an annoying piece of poo poo or whatever, but to be called out as the almighty Intimidator(?) + Sardonic FYAD guy(?) + mean-spirited(?) really hosed with me lol
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yea ok posted:I can only speak for myself, but I'm upset because I was explicitly called out, by name, with all of my intentions laid bare by someone who has never had a conversation with me. Then in private, told what a menace I am. I'm thankful for everyone that has posted, who weren't named in the List (because they would obviously only want to dogpile, right?) that said kind things to assuage my fears. I try very hard to not stick my Broly nose where it doesn't belong, and I really can't help if people think I'm an annoying piece of poo poo or whatever, but to be called out as the almighty Intimidator(?) + Sardonic FYAD guy(?) + mean-spirited(?) really hosed with me lol I'm barely a poster in these threads, a lurker by choice, but I feel like your inclusion was more of a weird personal thing by the OP than anything you might have done. I've always found your posts to be light-hearted and often positive. I don't know, it sucks to be named like that, so hopefully hearing this from someone outside of this conflict will help.
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Lid posted:Dude it's not a conspiracy and there is no cabal, the point if it was to show the behaviour that happens and keeps happening of means pirated shitposting. The problem, as others here said, is that it's a culture across multiple people not like some leadership bad eggs. You once made up Max Caster raps to get mad at and then shame others about. I would take this all a lot more seriously if everyone who's mad about the toxic atmosphere and not being taken in good faith also didn't have a long history of making things up, flipping out on people, wishing wrestlers would kill themselves, accusing people of being racist with no evidence, and a general crusader attitude. If you don't regularly post like that and think things are toxic because you posted "Impact was better when it was TNA" or something and were told to go kill yourself you probably have a good argument. Those posters should use this thread to bring that up. Gumball Gumption fucked around with this message at 00:03 on Jun 21, 2022 |
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1glitch0 posted:I may not entirely agree with Lid on the details of the enemies list but I thank him for saying what needed to be said! I don't want to see it anymore! 1glitch0 posted:I think it says it all that the usual suspects immediately want to take it the feedback thread and brigade in there. My Lovely Horse posted:I think it says even more that the framing is "there was a manifesto calling people out", completely glossing over the many, many points Lid made that were not tied to any one poster in particular. LividLiquid posted:This is the post I wish I could write. It absolutely nails it. Quoting from the main as they go here now and are relevant people and relevant points.
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Gumball Gumption posted:You once made up Max Caster raps to get mad at and then shame others about. I would take this all a lot more seriously if everyone who's mad about the toxic atmosphere and not being taken in good faith also didn't have a long history of making things up, flipping out on people, wishing wrestlers would kill themselves, accusing people of being racist with no evidence, and a general crusader attitude. Or haranguing a dude for a literal year and a half all over the subforum because he thought a run-in angle stunk!!!!!!!!
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Gumball Gumption posted:You once made up Max Caster raps to get mad at and then shame others about. I would take this all a lot more seriously if everyone who's mad about the toxic atmosphere and not being taken in good faith also didn't have a long history of making things up, flipping out on people, wishing wrestlers would kill themselves, accusing people of being racist with no evidence, and a general crusader attitude. How about just taking it seriously without qualifiers and look at people who aren't me? Like re-read what people have said on the other side and not look for an ulterior motive or a belief they are a crusader. Just read them posting as if they are people.
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Lid posted:Quoting from the main as they go here now and are relevant people and relevant points. What do you want from this? For your enemy list to be banned? For us to apologize?
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1glitch0 posted:I think it says it all that the usual suspects immediately want to take it the feedback thread and brigade in there. Shocking that people called out in a post would wish to discuss this in the thread designed for doing things like that. The plot thickens!
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Just really feels like whatever "dialogue" or discussion isn't actually what's wanted. Thank you for the relevant points that are about how smart you are and how we aren't taking you seriously. I guess none of our thoughts were relevant. Maybe if you looked at us as posters, instead of people with ulterior motives. That only seems to need to go one way, though.
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Draw and quarter the conspirators that poo poo post in the wrestling forum (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Lid posted:How about just taking it seriously without qualifiers and look at people who aren't me? Like re-read what people have said on the other side and not look for an ulterior motive or a belief they are a crusader. Just read them posting as if they are people. So we should all take what you have to say a hundred percent seriously and not question your motives, but you don’t have to give that same benefit to anyone else.
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I find this all interesting because there are people arguing with each other who I would absolutely have just grouped together if you asked me to say "who are the people who create and enforce the tenants of the subculture that is the group of regular posts in Wrestlehut." I think this is a good opportunity for people to assess how they post at other people here and realize the times when they might be doing the cultural enforcement. yea ok posted:I can only speak for myself, but I'm upset because I was explicitly called out, by name, with all of my intentions laid bare by someone who has never had a conversation with me. Then in private, told what a menace I am. I'm thankful for everyone that has posted, who weren't named in the List (because they would obviously only want to dogpile, right?) that said kind things to assuage my fears. I try very hard to not stick my Broly nose where it doesn't belong, and I really can't help if people think I'm an annoying piece of poo poo or whatever, but to be called out as the almighty Intimidator(?) + Sardonic FYAD guy(?) + mean-spirited(?) really hosed with me lol I like you.
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NienNunb posted:What do you want from this? For your enemy list to be banned? For us to apologize? I want the culture to change. I want people to feel their niche interest with a bunch if weirdo niche people can be discussed and not be exclusionary. I don't want any of you banned and not an enemies list, I want there to be mutual respect between people and that it not feel like punching down. Bad opinions get dunked on and it's good, every Cornette stan that shows up gets mocked to death and it is always great because they are openly endorsing sexism, racism and outright bigotry. This would be ideal, but this behaviour happens every week in the AEW thread to people not with offensive opinions but just having an opinion. We don't need to tar and feather everyone who doesn't know the BTE lore, this is hyperbole so don't go looking for the literal example and be "that's not what happened". Respect each other. Mutual respect and shared love of our dumb fake sport. If someone posts earnestly reply earnestly.
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Lid posted:How about just taking it seriously without qualifiers and look at people who aren't me? Like re-read what people have said on the other side and not look for an ulterior motive or a belief they are a crusader. Just read them posting as if they are people. Fooch is the only dude who has a legitimate beef and a lot of that is old resentment towards a crew who are primarily gone and I think if he posted more people would be more welcoming. Though we got to stop razzing him about Mox. I don't really get Glitch's problem with AEW posting but if they describe the posts they like to see they can probably figure out middle ground. I still think the majority of all of this is made up in people's heads because the internet makes it easy to imagine everyone on the other side is laughing at you.
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Rick posted:I find this all interesting because there are people arguing with each other who I would absolutely have just grouped together if you asked me to say "who are the people who create and enforce the tenants of the subculture that is the group of regular posts in Wrestlehut." I think this is a good opportunity for people to assess how they post at other people here and realize the times when they might be doing the cultural enforcement. This might not be directed at me but thank you for saying this because you've hit the nail - this is a chance to assess the cultural enforcement, including me. I have been called out for being a dick to MJeff and MJeff is loving right, I was out of line dunking on him not letting something go. In that I was part of the problem and directly contributed to a good poster stopping by using the very behaviours I'm now railing against. I'm trying to be better than I was too. Again I am so sorry MJeff and those feelings I gave you are the same ones I recognise as needing to stop. I might be a hypocrite for being the one now saying it but I'm trying to not be that person anymore. I respect you immensely.
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