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I'd love to drive an EV converted old car back to back with the original ICE version. I imagine the extra weight would change the dynamics of a smaller car quite a lot. Sling them in old cruisers all day though.
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BuckyDoneGun posted:GM's package doesn't appear to be on sale yet, but they were claiming: I'd be down for that GM package. Whats the cost? It's only a matter of time before one of us
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Uthor posted:It's annoying how slow manufacturers are to making EVs, but I understand why they start with large/expensive one. Batteries eat up space. New tech with a (for now) small market increases the costs a lot. Best to start by focusing on large, expensive vehicles. Still, I think an approach that could work is taking things radically differently like Aptera has.  E: not suggesting it's terrible, picture just for illustrative purposes  It's small and aerodynamic so it needs way less battery capacity, which means it can also be cheaper. Hell, on-board solar panels could even keep it topped up for us apartment dwellers for regular commuting. Still, until they can actually sell a production version, it's all very questionable. Humphreys posted:I'd be down for that GM package. Whats the cost? Way too much I'd imagine, I think Ford's motor by itself is like 4 grand.
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A Volvo 240 wagon would be a great candidate for an EV crate motor. RWD sand once the transmission, gas tank and exhaust system is out there’s lots of room for battery.
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Solar panels are wayyyy understrength for automotive needs. Practically ornamental.
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Solar panel would be great for keeping the accessory battery topped off though. A single standard roof panel is up to 400W of output which is tremendous even compared to a few years ago.
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mobby_6kl posted:It's small and aerodynamic so it needs way less battery capacity, which means it can also be cheaper. It's a death trap that will never, ever pass DOT crash safety standards.
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Motronic posted:It's a death trap that will never, ever pass DOT crash safety standards. I'm hoping modern city design and traffic engineering will carve out space for vehicles like this, along with cyclists, autonomous vehicles, pedestrians, and other things that dont have to weigh 6000 pounds and carry a single loving person.
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um excuse me posted:I'm hoping modern city design and traffic engineering will carve out space for vehicles like this, along with cyclists, autonomous vehicles, pedestrians, and other things that dont have to weigh 6000 pounds and carry a single loving person. That's a nice goal, but it's not realistic on the timeframe of that thing ever being useful in the short to mid term. It's a d.o.a. concept unless one or more jurisdictions allow it as a motorcycle (which may be why it's only got 3 wheels).
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Jun 21, 2022 15:04
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Well its not a motorcycle in Connecticut. It has a roof and the engine isn't exposed.
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Motronic posted:It's a death trap that will never, ever pass DOT crash safety standards. GD_American posted:Solar panels are wayyyy understrength for automotive needs. Practically ornamental.
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um excuse me posted:I'm hoping modern city design and traffic engineering will carve out space for vehicles like this, along with cyclists, autonomous vehicles, pedestrians, and other things that dont have to weigh 6000 pounds and carry a single loving person. I feel like we can gently caress off autonomous vehicles, they're not going to be a thing on the streets for a good long while and as I've said before the entire road system will need to be designed with them in mind whether it be specific lanes (  ) or the roads literally having sensors which link to the car and in turn to other autonomous cars on the road so they're all talking and know what each one is doing and obviously what non-auto cars/cyclists/pedestrians are about and where they are etc. But that's like such an incredibly huge investment I really do not see it happening. Definitely not in the US. Cars do need to chill the gently caress out in terms of weight and as much as you're not going to like it AI, speed. If we're building huge, heavy cars capable of 0-60 in 3 seconds and expecting people to not drive them like arseholes then you expect too much of humanity. Though with cars these days being 'smart' and basically broadcasting there whereabouts at all times it should be pretty easy to geofence them and basically cripple them in built up areas. Hard to drive like an arsehole if your car is incapable of going over 30mph in a city. Also better for the environment and indeed pedestrian/cyclist safety. But of course nobody is going to push for this because everyone is a slave to the almighty automobile so poo poo is just going to suck perpetually for everyone and your cities will forever be chock full of cars that shouldn't need to be there.
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Olympic Mathlete posted:I feel like we can gently caress off autonomous vehicles, they're not going to be a thing on the streets for a good long while and as I've said before the entire road system will need to be designed with them in mind whether it be specific lanes ( Revisit them after we have figured out automated trains/trams. Not gonna happen. Same how 'The Flying Car' isn't going to happen because humans are dumb assholes in 2 dimensions. Imagine 3.
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Electric vehicles will make it worse since the power curve is vertical. Just need to see the videos of idiots in Tesla Plaids to see the problem.Humphreys posted:Revisit them after we have figured out automated trains/trams. Docklands Light Railway in London is automated and has been since it was opened in the late 80s.
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I love cars, obviously, but city centers are no place for them. Also I feel like the infrastructure changes to create the living road concept requires monstrous investment anyways, might as well design it a little bit future proof. It seems no one is going away from the autonomous development without some sort of major government intervention so may as well bake it into the design. You could always run city busses or something in sensor lanes that are purpose built for autonomy
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Humphreys posted:Revisit them after we have figured out automated trains/trams. Not gonna happen. Same how 'The Flying Car' isn't going to happen because humans are dumb assholes in 2 dimensions. Imagine 3. You may laugh but my home town is building a 'vertiport' in the city centre as part of a trial run, I've passed the thing recently and it's basically just a big tent in an abandoned lot. The funniest bit is the company that has pushed for it haven't got government approval to fly their e-VTOL taxis because of existing airspace restrictions about flying over cities at low altitude. quote:"Air taxis they will be coming very, very soon, in two years or so the leading companies will be launching theirs but cargo drones... these are already flying, doing lots of deliveries in and around the country but also around the world... They need a coordinated piece of infrastructure and that's where we come in." Note that this quote suggests other places are flying drones already, again there's airspace restrictions on those in cities too. if you're interested at taking a look (paywall bypass link): https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ft.com%2Fcontent%2F36e55c8a-3739-4794-b9e9-396b0c2eaed8 Olympic Mathlete fucked around with this message at 16:09 on Jun 21, 2022 |
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Humphreys posted:Revisit them after we have figured out automated trains/trams. Not gonna happen. Same how 'The Flying Car' isn't going to happen because humans are dumb assholes in 2 dimensions. Imagine 3. Jerrys everywhere!
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Olympic Mathlete posted:You may laugh but my home town is building a 'vertiport' in the city centre as part of a trial run, I've passed the thing recently and it's basically just a big tent in an abandoned lot. The funniest bit is the company that has pushed for it haven't got government approval to fly their e-VTOL taxis because of existing airspace restrictions about flying over cities at low altitude. I saw conpelling arguments that drone deliveries only make sense for places with high population density and no airspace restrictions; unsurprisingly, the venn diagram looks pretty much like an '8'
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Motronic posted:It's a death trap that will never, ever pass DOT crash safety standards. I don't really know what that thing is, but just looking at the picture it doesn't look any more flimsy than a Renault Twizy or similar small city vehicles in the borderland between motorcycle/moped and car.
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EvenWorseOpinions posted:I saw conpelling arguments that drone deliveries only make sense for places with high population density and no airspace restrictions; unsurprisingly, the venn diagram looks pretty much like an '8' Someone wants to build one in Orlando too. I looked up the site they are planning and it's within the surface area of the Orlando Class B airspace.
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DekeThornton posted:I don't really know what that thing is, but just looking at the picture it doesn't look any more flimsy than a Renault Twizy or similar small city vehicles in the borderland between motorcycle/moped and car. Right. A death trap. I get these things are common in cities in europe. Are you allowed to take them out of a city? Are they allowed on motorways? I have no idea how any of that works. But I know it simply doesn't work on US roads in general and states have been removing exceptions for things like golf carts for decades.
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They are registered as cars and you can drive them in any road. The tiny city cars are popular in Paris so you can have a car with an odd and even number at the end of the plate to get around air pollution restrictions. When it is high only even last numbers can drive into Paris on one day and odds the next.
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Motronic posted:Right. A death trap. I think the answer is "it depends". Road laws aren't harmonised so it will differ from country to country. Here in Sweden a lot of those small city cars are classed as mopeds and are limited to 45 km/h. Those will not be allowed on freeways. Some others might be faster and classed as proper cars or motorcycles and can be driven everywhere. They are of course a lot flimsier than proper cars, but safer than motorcycles.
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Uthor posted:I think one would serve 99.9% of my needs (other than not being able to charge at my rental home). But, one thing I've been curious about and didn't look into, does the battery capacity drop over time like it does in, say, every phone and laptop I've ever owned? I'd hate to buy one that meets my needs +10% and then the capacity drops to the point where I can't take it to visit my folks. I also assume that one gets less range in the cold during winter? Yes EVs loose some range over the years. Usually there's some kind of warranty in place with a new EV that promises a certain percentage of capacity after a certain amount of miles and years. If your battery drops under that capacity you get a new battery. But so far it's extremely rare that a battery looses that much capacity unless it's broken. Renault did a study recently on old Zoe batteries and pretty much all of them far exceeded the expected capacity. The car can also mitigate some loss because you actually never get to use the full 100% of the battery. A couple percent are always kept as a reserve so that a failing battery cell can be disabled and a reserve one can take it's place. The driver can also help keep the battery healthy by doing a couple of things like limit the amount of fast charging (heats up the battery, batteries do not like extreme temperatures) or always keep the charge between 10-80%. Presumably that keeps the battery more happy for more longer! Yes they also loose some range in the cold. Again, batteries would like to stay in the same temperature range that you do. A useful way of checking if an EV would work for you is, find out the real range of the car (of course manufacturers are lying about the range just as they do about fuel efficiency), take the longest journey you realistically would take without a way of charging and add at least 30% on top of that. You still within the real range? An EV might just work for you! Theoretically of course cause it's not like you can buy one right now without a two year waiting period!
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Humphreys posted:Revisit them after we have figured out automated trains/trams. Sydney has the Metro which is 100% automated and it's the most reliable train system in this state by a huge margin. No timetable, a train turns up every 10 mins non peak and 4 in peak on the second. Each station has parking and also a spoke style bus feeder system and bike paths. The whole thing is amazing
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Shai-Hulud posted:loose A battery may lose capacity over time.
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Born too loose
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Where do you source batteries for those crate motors?
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um excuse me posted:I love cars, obviously, but city centers are no place for them. "We should future-proof roads to allow for installing autonomous driving sensors" is one of those things that sounds real great right up until you try and get any detail around it. What exactly are we allowing for? Some kind of electronic sensors? What do they look like? What do they need to be connected to? None of this poo poo has been invented yet, at least not to the point of any kind of standardisation. Trying to convince city agencies to futureproof anything is tricky at the best of times, let alone with magic future tech that doesn't exist.
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It's not an impossible situation. Just ask the manufacturers for input. They'll do the engineering if you're offering to spend millions on their behalf. I imagine for the sake of simplicity you'd want imbedded pieces of metal not too unlike a railroad tie or surveying monument for hall effect sensors to pick up. There will be some testing needed to be able to weed out false positives like sewer grates, traffic light sensors, expansion joints or just general debris, but once you map where they "should" be, the car can just be on the "lookout" for them. As they start collecting more and more data, you should need less and less road sensors and the control feedback becomes more robust.
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Chris Knight posted:Born too loose I’ve lived my life in vain
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Olympic Mathlete posted:Absolute state of this turd. License plate says everything you need to know about the owner. Also the "hOw Is ThAt AnY oF yOuR bUsInEsS" replies... particularly from a guy claiming to be heir to a Scottish Earl. I will say I have mixed feelings about the decision to use Laforza nameplates on that pile. Zero One posted:https://twitter.com/chevrolet/status/1538899519257071618?s=21&t=Wo_a5Gw14_yljO7ly0fhtg No. Do not do this poo poo. Do NOT give any legitimacy to NFTs. They are a Least Fools scam, and you are now one of the fools Chevy. mobby_6kl posted:I also thought Tesla's approach with Model S made a lot of sense, it's was pretty much on par with its ICE competitors in terms of price and performance. Made a ton more sense than trying to sell a city car for double the cost of its ICE version that was basically unusable. In the land of giant SUVs and pickups, that thing is destined to be roadside shrapnel in short order. Unless that's got some amazing monocoque, there's no way it's crashworthy. I hate that it's true, but it is. Motronic posted:It's a death trap that will never, ever pass DOT crash safety standards. Yeah, that. um excuse me posted:Well its not a motorcycle in Connecticut. It has a roof and the engine isn't exposed. Elio managed to get laws changed in quite a few states regarding 3-wheel motorcycles (and helmet requirements) despite never actually making any cars. Imperador do Brasil posted:I’ve lived my life in vain I think you mean in vein. Well, maybe only if you're a blood cell.
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Galler posted:Loose rhythms with goose. A bolt that hasn't been tightened is loose. Goddammit! English isn't my first language so i spent some time thinking if it was one or two "o". Guess is should've just googled it!
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Darchangel posted:I think you mean in vein. All my dreams have only caused me pain. it’s a Bouncing Souls song
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Darchangel posted:In the land of giant SUVs and pickups, that thing is destined to be roadside shrapnel in short order. Unless that's got some amazing monocoque, there's no way it's crashworthy. I hate that it's true, but it is. There are all sorts of challenges for it IRL of course but I really like that they are re-evaluating the "car" as it is and doing the EV version of "add lightness". For all the talk about innovation, Teslas are just regular sedans/CUVs but they're basically still the same concept we've had for over half a century. I hope we can transition to cars being more like this rather than 5 ton monster trucks. Way less energy and materials to make, less wear and tear, less energy used per distance, same performance even. Darchangel posted:I think you mean in vein.
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mobby_6kl posted:There are all sorts of challenges for it IRL of course but I really like that they are re-evaluating the "car" as it is and doing the EV version of "add lightness". For all the talk about innovation, Teslas are just regular sedans/CUVs but they're basically still the same concept we've had for over half a century. I hope we can transition to cars being more like this rather than 5 ton monster trucks. Way less energy and materials to make, less wear and tear, less energy used per distance, same performance even. I worked out the other day that if you split up the battery in the new EV Hummer you could use the cells to power 664 e-bikes. We're absolutely using the tech to just support our inane desire to sit one person in a large comfortable vehicle and it is loving crazy. Stuff like this where Audi is re-using their old EV batteries to power other vehicles is cool but like why not just make your poo poo smaller where your battery tech isn't mostly wasted to begin with? https://twitter.com/BaronVonClutch/status/1537157924077768704?s=20&t=R7WBEK64SwK3D6WLaBs6hQ I'd be cool with one of these for the vast majority of my day to day driving saving my ICE for occasional fun jaunts. https://twitter.com/Jamesinclair/status/1400159369791262730?s=20&t=R7WBEK64SwK3D6WLaBs6hQ I'll add here that I've been dailying a motorbike since September and it has completely changed my thoughts about what I 'need' for just moving me around from place to place. It has been real fun too. Olympic Mathlete fucked around with this message at 12:17 on Jun 22, 2022 |
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Richard Bong posted:Where do you source batteries for those crate motors? If you're doing a DIY conversion, you pull them from junkyard EVs and hybrids.
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Shai-Hulud posted:Goddammit! English isn't my first language so i spent some time thinking if it was one or two "o". Guess is should've just googled it! It's cool, a lot of "English as only language" speakers make that mistake and many others besides. 
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Olympic Mathlete posted:I'll add here that I've been dailying a motorbike since September and it has completely changed my thoughts about what I 'need' for just moving me around from place to place. It has been real fun too. Last year I moved to the (edge) of a city and while that means I have to drive 18 miles to work and that sucks, I can walk to everywhere I need except the hardware store and it's blowing my mind (and I hit the hardware store on my way home from work as it's on the route). Except in the winter. loving snow and cold.
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um excuse me posted:Solar panel would be great for keeping the accessory battery topped off though. A single standard roof panel is up to 400W of output which is tremendous even compared to a few years ago. My Sonata Hybrid has 200w of solar panels instead of a sunroof and it’ll top off the traction battery from 2/3 empty over a sunny day. It’s only a 1.62kWh battery, but it adds up. Caveats are I live in Arizona, so good sun. And it doesn’t charge much when it gets over about 100 I’ve noticed.  The battery is under the back seat and it gets too hot I think, as when driving enough for the cabin AC to cool it down I can see it start to charge from the solar panel again. It works fine when driving still. 
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