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hatty: Feb 28, 2011; Pork Pro

The games have online with rollback now. I�m afraid to see how bad I am at Vampire Saviors

# ? Jun 22, 2022 00:27

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# ? Jun 3, 2024 00:47

FirstAidKite: Nov 8, 2009

Was coolboarders any good?

# ? Jun 22, 2022 00:28

precision: May 7, 2006; by VideoGames

Muscle Tracer posted:

Personally, I love to play games I enjoy. There are other games that I don't enjoy, and while I know of ways that they would be more enjoyable for me, I'm glad other people with different tastes also get games that they like to play.

that's what is super amazing, i think elden ring is great and i enjoyed it a lot

why is it so weird to suggest improvements to FROM games? people suggest improvements to literally every game they play.

like dang guys if you don't want to be known as "the lovely fandom" then don't be lovely

# ? Jun 22, 2022 00:37

Khanstant: Apr 5, 2007

people will argue over suggestions to any games and who on earth ever wanted to be known as part of a fandom, let alone care how people perceive it

# ? Jun 22, 2022 00:52

Harrow: Jun 30, 2012

I got the impression from Elden Ring that FromSoft would prefer if players didn't grind at all. Killing on-level enemies doesn't really give that many runes. You can get a good number of runes by exploring, but most are going to come from one-time consumables or boss kills rather than the normal enemies you're killing along the way. They put a ton of tools in the game to help players succeed (especially spirit ashes) likely on the hope that you wouldn't feel the need to grind.

That said I think I mostly agree with dunkey's review from a couple months back, which is that the game is amazing but endgame enemies and bosses probably hit too hard. Not like a ton too hard, but a bit. A lot of them would've been more fun to fight solo if they did a bit less damage. I'm not going to spitball numbers, I'm bad at that, but not a drastic reduction.

Then again I also know that's what spirit ashes are for, and there wasn't a boss fight in the entire game that wasn't made much easier by them, which is a good thing, they're a great option to have.

# ? Jun 22, 2022 01:23

Muscle Tracer: Feb 23, 2007; Medals only weigh one down.

precision posted:

that's what is super amazing, i think elden ring is great and i enjoyed it a lot

why is it so weird to suggest improvements to FROM games? people suggest improvements to literally every game they play.

like dang guys if you don't want to be known as "the lovely fandom" then don't be lovely

I'm glad you also enjoyed the game.

# ? Jun 22, 2022 01:59

Vermain: Sep 5, 2006

precision posted:

why is it so weird to suggest improvements to FROM games?

I think a lot of it comes out of a not entirely unfounded concern over a style of game they enjoy being watered down or changed too much to the point where there's no longer the elements that they personally found enjoyable, even if proposed suggestions aren't directly linked to those elements. It's sometimes hard to determine what exactly draws you into a game, so a blanket "don't change anything more than by X degrees" stance can easily develop. Pillars of Eternity struggled a lot with this issue, for example, with feedback from early backers being insistent that the game have 6 statistics solely because that was the norm of previous Infinity Engine games, and the desire was for a game that replicated the "feeling" of those titles without any deeper understanding of what elements precisely contributed to that feeling.

# ? Jun 22, 2022 02:03

PantsBandit: Oct 26, 2007; it is both a monkey and a boombox

Is there any world where Ubisoft goes back to making 20 hour long AC games instead of 100+ hour long slogs?

# ? Jun 22, 2022 02:20

Waffleman_: Jan 20, 2011; I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

Infinity hour long slogs? Sure, we gotcha.

# ? Jun 22, 2022 02:27

Gaius Marius: Oct 9, 2012

They should've made a Rome game. Hang out with my boy Augustus. Kill some barbarians. The usual

# ? Jun 22, 2022 02:28

Jay Rust: Sep 27, 2011

Barbarians rule

# ? Jun 22, 2022 02:44

verbal enema: May 23, 2009; onlymarfans.com

Jay Rust posted:

Barbarians rule

# ? Jun 22, 2022 02:50

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Vermain posted:

I think a lot of it comes out of a not entirely unfounded concern over a style of game they enjoy being watered down or changed too much to the point where there's no longer the elements that they personally found enjoyable, even if proposed suggestions aren't directly linked to those elements. It's sometimes hard to determine what exactly draws you into a game, so a blanket "don't change anything more than by X degrees" stance can easily develop. Pillars of Eternity struggled a lot with this issue, for example, with feedback from early backers being insistent that the game have 6 statistics solely because that was the norm of previous Infinity Engine games, and the desire was for a game that replicated the "feeling" of those titles without any deeper understanding of what elements precisely contributed to that feeling.

In this specific instance it�s kinda weird though, like the MO for most From games is absolutely pushing yourself to overcome adversity in an unforgiving world, but Elden Ring is the game that teaches you �come back later when you�re stronger� by throwing an OP overworld boss at you, followed by a nerfed version of a mid-lategame boss who takes nearly no damage from a base level character, which is the opposite of how Souls usually works beyond some instances of branching paths.

And really even beyond that Elden Ring is meant to be the most accessible Souls between it being super easy to do co-op, ash summons, Marika statues, and frequent patches to mitigate the clunkiest parts of the game like smithing stones. If Elden Ring gated the player harder than it does (iirc like everything except the Plateau onward is immediately available, and the Plateau except for Leyendell is gated by one dungeon/boss) I don�t think people would complain because the expectation to git gud would already be set.

# ? Jun 22, 2022 03:26

precision: May 7, 2006; by VideoGames

Vermain posted:

I think a lot of it comes out of a not entirely unfounded concern over a style of game they enjoy being watered down or changed too much to the point where there's no longer the elements that they personally found enjoyable

i think that is an entirely unfounded concern

# ? Jun 22, 2022 03:36

Barudak: May 7, 2007

From decided, finally, in Elden Ring I was allowed to have fun with shields again, so Im glad complaining about that got through.

# ? Jun 22, 2022 03:45

Khanstant: Apr 5, 2007

i just wish they had a captain america style boomerang shield

# ? Jun 22, 2022 03:59

SeXReX: Jan 9, 2009; I drink, mostly.
And get mad at people on the internet

hatty posted:

The games have online with rollback now. I’m afraid to see how bad I am at Vampire Saviors

The trick is to get really good at slamming your entire palm on all 6 buttons but why timing so that they're all on different frames

E. Being good is easy you just pick squatxh and mash standing medium punch