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TheKingslayer posted:I always find the legacy Nash tries to paint for himself kind of bunk. That he and Hall made guaranteed contracts a thing (which I think is false?). It ultimately feels like their machinations along with Hogan and Bischoff helped send wrestling into the dark ages as far as the mainstream. WCW definitely had them before, but the jumps made WWE(F) implement them, iirc.
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TheKingslayer posted:I always find the legacy Nash tries to paint for himself kind of bunk. That he and Hall made guaranteed contracts a thing (which I think is false?). It ultimately feels like their machinations along with Hogan and Bischoff helped send wrestling into the dark ages as far as the mainstream. Nash was management and as fun as it is to pretend he was just a smart working man, he wasn't just a smart guy doing what was best for him. He was also one of the bosses for a period of time using his power in ways that killed the company.
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MassRafTer posted:Nash was management and as fun as it is to pretend he was just a smart working man, he wasn't just a smart guy doing what was best for him. He was also one of the bosses for a period of time using his power in ways that killed the company.
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collocation posted:WCW definitely had them before, but the jumps made WWE(F) implement them, iirc. And the first person they gave one to was Marc Mero
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Please refer to Nash as “the sexecutioner”
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Oh gently caress. I had forgotten all about Juvie verses the Queensland Police. Edit: and they announced they fired Chavo instead. gently caress what an amazing company.
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I've never heard Nash claim that he and Hall invented guaranteed contracts in wrestling, just that they had contracts that had what he referred to as a " favoured nations" clause but I guess you'd just call "match highest earner" clause in regular sports contracts. That was why they were happy to see Bret Hart coming in.
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collocation posted:WCW definitely had them before, but the jumps made WWE(F) implement them, iirc. I've read that Luger turning up on that Nitro was what prompted it. Dunno if it's true, but I wouldn't be surprised if that were the case.
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The first time I remember hearing about guaranteed contracts was Mark Henry signing the 10 year deal in 1996. Granted it was "only" for $250k per year.
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MrBling posted:There is something special about Memphis wrestling in the 80s. So there isn't like a general classic wrestling thread, is there? I'd almost be tempted to start one since I'm sure I'm not alone in the ranks of people who'd love to watch, request, and recommend classic angles, matches, and feuds. This post is at least still tangentially related to WCW though because part of what I'm enoying about Memphis wrestling is a man important to both it, WWF, and WCW https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3WwqXTfAm4 Bobby Heenan seems to be mostly regarded as the greatest manager of all time. with people like Heyman or Cornette after him. But I found a random interview from Jacques Rougeau the other day and, funnily enough, he is talking about how Jimmy Hart is the greatest wrestling manager of all time. Just feels like his greatest work isn't as well known to a lot of people. But I'm loving him. NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 21:26 on Jun 27, 2022 |
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Here's another fun YouTube channel that frequently posts a lot of Championship Wrestling From Florida stuff: https://www.youtube.com/c/106NAlbany
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A lot of Hart's best work is outside WWE, which tends to undersell his value since it's time of biggest visibility. It's also worth noting he wrote some great theme music, and was known to be supportive of young talent.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:A lot of Hart's best work is outside WWE, which tends to undersell his value since it's time of biggest visibility. Didn't he do all of WCW's music? I realize a lot of it was knockoffs but they're still unbelievably great knockoffs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ON_BqmOCXQY I think he did some music in WWF too. This album seems to imply he was at least partly responsible for every great WWF theme from what looks like the late 80s to mid 90s.
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NikkolasKing posted:Didn't he do all of WCW's music? I realize a lot of it was knockoffs but they're still unbelievably great knockoffs.
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When I got into wrestling as a kid Jimmy Hart was like THE manager to little me. All I really remember of Cornette from that era is his time co-managing Yoko with Fuji, but Hart seemed all over TV at the time.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:He sure did! I think he wrote the nWo theme too. Nah, Hart wrote the knockoff grunge themes but he didn't write all of WCW's music. The nWo theme was just some stock music they had in their library with some voices over it. The Harlem Heat theme that Booker T used into his WWE stint was also stock music. Also, Hart was in a band that had a top 10 hit back in the 60's, before he went into wrestling. That has always fascinated me.
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Some of the grunge knockoffs are also stock music. Jimmy Hart did DDP's and Raven's themes, but Jericho's Even Flow ripoff is from the AirCraft Music Library's ACL063 Grunge City compilation of production tracks. Also, Raven should've had the Even Flow ripoff because his finisher was called the Even Flow DDT. 
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Didn't one of the WCW themes turn up in a porno?
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The NWO theme is a bunch of Jimi Hendrix tracks welded together. Likewise the Harlem Heat theme was the same, and one of the tracks it lifts from is a Kraftwerk tune. E: it's actually two Kraftwerk songs https://youtu.be/ix07wGATlHk https://youtu.be/O0lIlROWro8 Kosmo Gallion fucked around with this message at 05:46 on Jun 28, 2022 |
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edogawa rando posted:Didn't one of the WCW themes turn up in a porno? I hope it was KroniK's theme
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Booker Ts theme was the theme music for a recurring character on kids in the hall. I believe Chris jerichos music was owned by Turner Sports. He heard it watching basketball highlights. He found out it was called basketball highlights #10 or something.
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edogawa rando posted:Didn't one of the WCW themes turn up in a porno? I think it was Chris Benoit's theme.
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The American Dream posted:Booker Ts theme was the theme music for a recurring character on kids in the hall. Yeah his debut Babyface music right?
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The American Dream posted:I believe Chris jerichos music was owned by Turner Sports. He heard it watching basketball highlights. He found out it was called basketball highlights #10 or something. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9I3IwbaUPK8 Jericho called his next theme "the slightly less wimpy Basketball Highlights #17", which was the Pearl Jam knockoff whose actual title was "One Crazed Anarchist". As it happens, Fozzy later recorded a song by that name, but it has nothing to do with the old theme song because Fozzy sucks.
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NikkolasKing posted:So there isn't like a general classic wrestling thread, is there? I'd almost be tempted to start one since I'm sure I'm not alone in the ranks of people who'd love to watch, request, and recommend classic angles, matches, and feuds. I started a territory thread but its dead so make one, I watch old wresting still.
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rujasu posted:Nah, Hart wrote the knockoff grunge themes but he didn't write all of WCW's music. The nWo theme was just some stock music they had in their library with some voices over it. The Harlem Heat theme that Booker T used into his WWE stint was also stock music. To be exact, it hit #4, the single is “Keep On Dancing” by The Gentrys (the song is originally written by The Avantis). Because up until the 2000s having a hit that big got you so much money if you didn’t blow it all on stupid poo poo (and many did) you’d be able to live off of it forever, Jimmy, who smartly invested and banked a majority of the money he got from that hit, opted to go into his other favorite thing besides music once The Gentrys broke up and reformed a few more times and he gave up on a continuing music career - professional wrestling. And he worked as a wrestling manager for forty years, but all the money made over those decades, including Hogan paydays for the last decade or so, was just gravy. Jimmy Hart is the definition of “never has to work a day in his life”, he did pro wrestling just because “why the gently caress not, it’s awesome”
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The Cameo posted:To be exact, it hit #4, the single is “Keep On Dancing” by The Gentrys (the song is originally written by The Avantis). Because up until the 2000s having a hit that big got you so much money if you didn’t blow it all on stupid poo poo (and many did) you’d be able to live off of it forever, Jimmy, who smartly invested and banked a majority of the money he got from that hit, opted to go into his other favorite thing besides music once The Gentrys broke up and reformed a few more times and he gave up on a continuing music career - professional wrestling. And he worked as a wrestling manager for forty years, but all the money made over those decades, including Hogan paydays for the last decade or so, was just gravy. Jimmy Hart is the definition of “never has to work a day in his life”, he did pro wrestling just because “why the gently caress not, it’s awesome” This is the best. Like others, I grew up with Jimmy Hart as a constant in my life because I was born in 83 and raised on WWF. He was just always there and was so good at antagonizing AND taking a beating. I feel like I've never heard a bad story about Jimmy Hart and I hope it stays that way. I'm glad he was able to make bank and be smart with his money so he could live his dream as a wrestling manager.
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Jimmy Hart post-haircut screaming "I look like Little Lulu!" is one of the funniest things in wrestling history.
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Ganso Bomb posted:This is the best. Like others, I grew up with Jimmy Hart as a constant in my life because I was born in 83 and raised on WWF. He was just always there and was so good at antagonizing AND taking a beating. I feel like I've never heard a bad story about Jimmy Hart and I hope it stays that way. I'm glad he was able to make bank and be smart with his money so he could live his dream as a wrestling manager. Jimmy Hart has a twitter account and I'm going to assume that it's just some random assistant running it because literally all it does is retweet stuff that mentions him and occasionally tweet out booking information (Jimmy is almost 80 years old and he's still taking bookings.). Still, it's better than him ranting about stuff like other old wrestle guys. edit: also, this can just be the territory wrestling or catch-all old wrestling thread. It moves so slowly anyway, so just post stuff here.
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I've heard that Jimmy Hart doing the First Family stuff in Memphis is on another level from what we saw of Hart WWF stuff, but can't confirm. I buy it, though.
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Dawgstar posted:I've heard that Jimmy Hart doing the First Family stuff in Memphis is on another level from what we saw of Hart WWF stuff, but can't confirm. I buy it, though. MRT has shown some clips, it's good stuff.
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Jimmy is as good as Heenan to me. Mostly because this song lives in my brain https://youtu.be/mFk0viRI7Ok
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So what is the deal with Lanny Poffo? All I know about him is he is Macho Man's brother, collected money from WCW for years without ever appearing once, and I think Vinny or Bryan implied he's a bit of bullshitter or toots his own horn a bit much. But he's a name I hear semi-frequently when discussing American wrestling history.
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He was the Genius, full of glory and renown, and he wrote all his own poetry.
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He had a surprisingly good TV match against Hulk Hogan. It involved math and moonsaults and a finish you've got to see to believe! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWcTpFhUycA
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NikkolasKing posted:So what is the deal with Lanny Poffo? All I know about him is he is Macho Man's brother, collected money from WCW for years without ever appearing once, and I think Vinny or Bryan implied he's a bit of bullshitter or toots his own horn a bit much. Post Macho Man's death he's said a lot of dumb stuff, like criticizing wrestler drug deaths while acting like Savage's heart attack had nothing to do with steroids.
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Suplex Liberace posted:Jimmy is as good as Heenan to me. Mostly because this song lives in my brain That song is an ear worm.
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NikkolasKing posted:So what is the deal with Lanny Poffo? All I know about him is he is Macho Man's brother, collected money from WCW for years without ever appearing once, and I think Vinny or Bryan implied he's a bit of bullshitter or toots his own horn a bit much. I've met him on several occasions. Personally, the dude is really smart. Very eloquent and well spoken, and he can promo on a dime on anything (he literally cut a promo on carrots backstage for shits and giggles) He's also the epitome of lower card heel of the late 80's and how old-school gimmicks can get over with limited screentime....but he is still an old school carny so you'll get some weird takes or actions...(he takes shine from his brother all the time, lives in loving Ecuador of all places etc.) stab fucked around with this message at 19:28 on Jun 29, 2022 |
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Another retro wrestling comment/question... I guess Bruno Sammartino did not like Ric Flair, even professionally? Saw a video with him and Harley Race on the best wrestlers ever and Harley was diplomatic about Flair, Bruno is just like no gently caress that guy. His reasoning is Flair had basically one style and one match and that was all. Funny thing is, in the Retro shows, Bryan and Vinny say this, too. All the time they say Flair has one match, especially with Sting, but they love him for it.
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