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Am I remembering correctly that the session already delayed was supposed to include everyone that requested a pardon? I wonder if congresspeeps have been realizing that they can't get elected in November because they can't simultaneously support Trump and not be conspirators.
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Judge Schnoopy posted:This feels like an absolute victory for the televised hearings. They ran out of steam on evidence collection, they showed their hand of "this is a slam dunk case get on board or get run over", and now people are coming out of the woodwork to help. I mean this is history. The choices these people make now are going to be engraved on their tombstone. Cheney was definitely right that the conspirators will not be looked upon kindly. I don't think it's really set in yet for people, the full implications of what happened and how close we came, add to that the fact that because Trump is such a gaudy buffoon there's a facet of this whole thing where people don't take him seriously. There's even the rather ironic truth-is-stranger-than-fiction third act twist that, while everyone has always feared the rise of some fanatical American politician with a grand plans to turn the US into a white nationalist ethnostate or communist police sate, or just pick your poisonous ideology, in the end the motivations weren't anything so epic, it was just a cheap conman who wouldn't let it go because he was such a petty narcissist that the worst thing he could ever imagine is being a loser. Truly, the banality of evil.
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Google gives me jack and squat. Do we know who Starfleet Guy is and his story?
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-Blackadder- posted:I mean this is history. The choices these people make now are going to be engraved on their tombstone. Cheney was definitely right that the conspirators will not be looked upon kindly. It set in for me even before it happened because I saw it coming, know these loving people and it only solidified watching it unfold but, for whatever reason, a lot of people think it was a joke, including here on this board. But I don't see it that way at all. Cheney is going to do down as being on the right side of history, yes, but she'll suffer for it in her modern context, like Muhammad Ali, Colin Kapernick, Malcom X, Dr. King or anyone who spoke out against the second Iraq war after 9/11. Not being wrong isn't typically enough during the times things actually unfold, sadly, even though it's the right thing to do. I don't think we've ever truly gotten past 9/11 and after all the flag stickers and USA USA chants took over. I view 1/6 as historically significant as 9/11 - or at least close - and I don't think we're done with either. In many ways, I think the first begat the second in fact.
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BiggerBoat posted:It set in for me even before it happened because I saw it coming, know these loving people and it only solidified watching it unfold but, for whatever reason, a lot of people think it was a joke, including here on this board. But I don't see it that way at all. Cheney is going to do down as being on the right side of history, yes, but she'll suffer for it in her modern context, like Muhammad Ali, Colin Kapernick, Malcom X, Dr. King or anyone who spoke out against the second Iraq war after 9/11. From Cheney to Cheney in the most loving insane and mind breaking path possible
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Who knew Liz Cheney may be the one who ultimately saves the union?
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https://twitter.com/AndrewFeinberg/status/1539695635716345857 must be a decent amount of info if they have to delay for weeks.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:https://twitter.com/AndrewFeinberg/status/1539695635716345857 my guess is its the whole documentary plus a couple other smart ghouls trying to save themselves. -Blackadder- posted:I mean this is history. The choices these people make now are going to be engraved on their tombstone. Cheney was definitely right that the conspirators will not be looked upon kindly.
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AHAHAHAHA! Oh that's glorious. So many ghouls who already testified going "Oh gently caress, how many times can they prove I lied..." So many ghouls who hadn't testified or weren't going to be suddenly sweating bullets fearing a congressional summons. 
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Since the rumor-mill is buzzing about how Trump fully plans to peg everything on Eastman and make him take the fall, I do hope that Eastman has considered flipping himself.
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How are u posted:Since the rumor-mill is buzzing about how Trump fully plans to peg everything on Eastman and make him take the fall, I do hope that Eastman has considered flipping himself. Trump continues to think this is a trial. It's a grand jury.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:https://twitter.com/AndrewFeinberg/status/1539695635716345857 I’m just skeptical that despite all the evidence and everything laid out before the American people that anything will actually happen to these people because the committee is running against the clock now. They have until November to conclude everything because once mid-terms are over, they get replaced by the ‘Democrat stolen election of 2020’ committee and guaranteed there will be arrests of prominent D party members. Democrats are scared to do anything but Republicans have zero problems bringing out a bunch of liberals in chains to the delight of their base.
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mdemone posted:Trump continues to think this is a trial. It's a grand jury. I'd say it's more of "Trump continues to think this is The Apprentice where he controls the script."
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There's some weird poo poo afloat rn with what appears to be coming out because of the hearings. Stone's documentary crew seems to have some 'you hired a documentary crew for a criminal loving conspiracy??'
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Murgos posted:I had a thought a minute ago. "on what grounds are you requesting this subpoena" "your honor, it would be tremendous content"
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The Angry Bum posted:I’m just skeptical that despite all the evidence and everything laid out before the American people that anything will actually happen to these people because the committee is running against the clock now. They have until November to conclude everything because once mid-terms are over, they get replaced by the ‘Democrat stolen election of 2020’ committee and guaranteed there will be arrests of prominent D party members. Democrats are scared to do anything but Republicans have zero problems bringing out a bunch of liberals in chains to the delight of their base. The idea this will go away due to the midterms doesn't compute. This is a Grand Jury without the power to compel all testimony, but it is public. It is public specifically because the DOJ allowed the committee to depose all of these witnesses first so it would be seen by everyone who wants to see, and by this point I am more confident than ever it will also be seen by many who have said or thought they would ignore it. Some are, sure. Won't change gently caress-all. This conspiracy was too loving stupid. TWO documentary film crews, one in the Whitehouse, and one with the Proud Boys? lol get hosed GOP
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Dr. Faustus posted:The Committee will certainly wrap up in September, as they have always said they would. That is when they will release the full report and also their legislative recommendations. I do not expect that to change, for the very reason you mention. They have always known it had to be finished before October 2022. I agree with you, I've said as much, and the only reason I don't toxx on it is because I love you all so much that I wouldn't risk my account even on that regard. So maybe a ladies/gentlemens' wager? Toward the Red Cross or something equally important.
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I say that stuff as much for myself as anyone else. I'm testing my own convictions. So far I am still feeling more certainty rather than less. Sorry, I know you have been pretty clear itt; I really only wanted to address the fear we all had that this would not be finished by the midterm elections. But the last time I worried about that was right up until the hearings were scheduled and actually rolled out on time. At that point I stopped worrying about anyone running out the clock, because the DOJ investigations are there, beneath the tip of the iceberg we can see, and if anything they will have an absolutely airtight case for Seditious Conspiracy and that handful of other charges. I don't need it to be Treason. I love SA too much to toxx, myself. I am absolutely down for a friendly wager but it doesn't have to be expensive. The idea I like most is supporting SA, so we could wager for custom titles or forum features. The best political bet I ever won was "John Roberts' SCOTUS will/will not uphold Obamacare." Obviously I wagered "for," because if anything I thought Roberts would do, it would be force people to buy private insurance. It's the American Way! Something tells me Life After Hate should be, like, mandatory experiences for violent white supremacists. I'd fund that, too.
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The Angry Bum posted:I’m just skeptical that despite all the evidence and everything laid out before the American people that anything will actually happen to these people because the committee is running against the clock now. They have until November to conclude everything because once mid-terms are over, they get replaced by the ‘Democrat stolen election of 2020’ committee and guaranteed there will be arrests of prominent D party members. Democrats are scared to do anything but Republicans have zero problems bringing out a bunch of liberals in chains to the delight of their base. I'm not singling you out, but you're a good prompt to remind everyone : This is a LEGISLATIVE committee. This is not a JUDICIAL committee. Liz Cheney is not going to, and can not, charge anyone from this. The intended purpose of this committee is to provide information to Congress so they can pass legislation to stop another coup, and as part of that they have to investigate how this coup happened. They can't charge anyone ; this has been a major contention and something that the Republicans keep loving up when they respond to subpoenas. They can pass stuff on to the DoJ for prosecution (and have, as we've seen), but the only thing Congress can really charge anyone with is contempt of congress. It's not a trial! All the stuff you learned about trials doesn't apply, and even if it did a lot of the stuff people know about trials isn't true either.
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Dr. Faustus posted:I say that stuff as much for myself as anyone else. I'm testing my own convictions. So far I am still feeling more certainty rather than less. 10 bux isn't really an expensive wager though. Just saying
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He posted like 5 things on his site yesterday. Never this many usually. Guessing hes getting nervous quote:Arizona Speaker of the House Rusty Bowers is the latest RINO to play along with the Unselect Committee. In November 2020, Bowers thanked me for getting him elected. He said he would have lost, and in fact expected to lose, if I hadn’t come along. During the conversation, he told me that the election was rigged and that I won Arizona. He said he got more votes than I did which could never have happened. In fact, he said without me, he would have been out of office, and he expected to be prior to my coming along, and big Arizona rallies. The night before the election he walked outside with his wife and saw the tremendous Trump enthusiasm and told her, “You know what? Maybe I will win after all”—and he did. Bowers should hope there’s not a tape of the conversation.  https://www.donaldjtrump.com/news APNews said that Bowers told them he would still vote for Trump in 2024 yesterday quote:“If he is the nominee, if he was up against Biden, I’d vote for him again,” Bowers said. “Simply because what he did the first time, before COVID, was so good for the county. In my view it was great.” OgNar fucked around with this message at 00:16 on Jun 23, 2022 |
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OgNar posted:He posted like 5 things on his site yesterday. Why don't you come get sworn in and testify then like Hillary Clinton did if you want to be heard so much and demand equal time, you fat orange piece of poo poo? Pretty sure the committee would give you as much time as you want. Bring Rudy and Meadows with you. We'll listen.
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I'm a Canadian so forgive an ignorant question: if Trump does see criminal consequences for his actions, does anything stop President De Santis from pardoning him immediately? edit: apart from not being/becoming president, obviously
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Lucasar posted:I'm a Canadian so forgive an ignorant question: if Trump does see criminal consequences for his actions, does anything stop President De Santis from pardoning him immediately? depends who charges him. If it's federal charges he can pardon them. If it's state charges, such as by fulton county in georgia, there is nothing desantis could do.
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Lucasar posted:I'm a Canadian so forgive an ignorant question: if Trump does see criminal consequences for his actions, does anything stop President De Santis from pardoning him immediately? Presidential pardons only work on federal crimes, not state crimes, and there's the tiniest, most mild amount of wiggle room about how it works in regards to crimes that someone has been impeached for just cause it hasn't come up ever but it's inside-baseball legal specifics.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:depends who charges him. If it's federal charges he can pardon them. If it's state charges, such as by fulton county in georgia, there is nothing desantis could do. Thanks!
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OgNar posted:He posted like 5 things on his site yesterday. I both think he's getting nervous because he's an insecure whiner who thrives on blaming other people, and also that he will see exactly zero consequences from any of this. The best I can hope for is watching him squirm.
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In the past 2 years it never really occurred to me one of the funniest things about the election was that a bunch of down ballot Republicans got more votes than Donny. The has got to gently caress around with his ginormously malignant ego
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^^^Nah, that was because of the massive voter fraud^^^ Trump is not going to be charged with anything by anyone.
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Turned down 10,000 to 20,000 national guard, ‘troops or soldiers’? Wtf…. No one in their right mind would think that 3 to 5 brigades of soldiers were just going to be called up to go stand around the Capitol for an afternoon. We didn’t have that many in Afghanistan. Also, lol, that his cheese brain couldn’t figure out if troops or soldiers was appropriate. Edit: It’s kind of interesting that he’s just straight lying that the Committee hasn’t been addressing his claims of irregularities. They have, repeatedly and pointedly shown testimony that his claims were all “Bullshit” and he knew it but by claiming they aren’t he can pretend like they are ducking the question. Murgos fucked around with this message at 02:30 on Jun 23, 2022 |
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Dr. Faustus posted:
The DoJ IG office started an investigation into improper use of authority on Jan 25. I have hopes that we get to see some of its findings here.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:"on what grounds are you requesting this subpoena" "your honor, it would be tremendous content" Can you imagine how hilarious it would be to listen to Trump and Rudy on a call together? To be truly magnificent it would need a straight man like Hannity in there trying to keep them on topic.
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BiggerBoat posted:10 bux isn't really an expensive wager though. Just saying
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BiggerBoat posted:Why don't you come get sworn in and testify then like Hillary Clinton did if you want to be heard so much and demand equal time, you fat orange piece of poo poo? Pretty sure the committee would give you as much time as you want. Bring Rudy and Meadows with you. BiggerBoat posted:^^^Nah, that was because of the massive voter fraud^^^
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Seems that Mo Brooks who spoke at Jan 6 (while wearing a bullet proof vest *) and was a Trump suck up to no end, said at some point that we needed to move on from the 2020 elections. Trump, of course, dumped him in a second and started endorsing Brooks rival. Brooks had previously shunned the committee. So now it seems Mo Brooks is more than happy to speak to the Jan 6 Committee. https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1539773929480388610 * not that he knew anything was going to happen, just to be safe as one does. OgNar fucked around with this message at 13:26 on Jun 23, 2022 |
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I thought Mo Brooks got de endorsed by Trump because he started to tank in primary polls well before any of the rest of this.
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Zwabu posted:I thought Mo Brooks got de endorsed by Trump because he started to tank in primary polls well before any of the rest of this. I read it as after he said that, but I maybe I read an opinion and took it as real. I could be wrong and many times am. Next hearing in 2 hours. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4535-VW-bY
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Oracle posted:It'll never be tried as such sadly, because our Founding Fathers (PBUT) were too drat paranoid about their political enemies using it against them and so made the bar pretty much unbelievably high. Merely conspiring to overthrow the government isn't levying war—there must be an actual assemblage of people who are ready and intend to use force. (But see "Related Crimes," below.) So, no person acting alone can be guilty of levying war." Pretty sure  Jack McCoy could easily turn what Trump did on 1/6 into a guilty verdict for treason.Conspiring to overthrow the government and then calling on people to use force to do so is levying war.
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