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Stuff being dated in media is cool.
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Jun 22, 2022 23:02
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Bust Rodd posted:I truly cannot stand phone-based sequences in shows, it looks positively dated the literal moment it comes out, these UIs are going to look positively alien in a decade (not that Zoomers are ever going to rewatch things or be nostalgic for any of the content currently being produced) What makes you think young people will never be nostalgic for things from their youth?
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Jun 22, 2022 23:15
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There should be a whole sequence of them passing notes back and forth in a big zinc box (with "zinc" written on the side so we know, but I'm sure some people would remain skeptical) so we know homelander can't read the note. As well as an elaborate scene of Homelander looking at a news article quizzically, then Ashley asking what he wants her to do, then her slowly realizing he's illiterate (because he's never shown reading anything, so...)
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Jun 22, 2022 23:17
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The fact that the big bad is parody of Superman itself dates the show. The boys was not first the comic first to do" Superman but evil". Now it almost feels a bit overused. I feel like if The boys comic had been made today it would have focused more on a evil Batman or a evil Tony Stark character or possibly a parody of popular mangas and animes.
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Jun 22, 2022 23:24
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Sorry you’re saying Batman is less dated than Superman?
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Jun 22, 2022 23:35
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Iron Man #1 was from 1968. They're all old characters. It's about what you do with them at the end of the day. Subversion and deconstructing is one of the few ways to have an interesting Superman story imo. Playing him straight is boring because there really aren't any limitations. Starr's Homelander is killing it in the "What if Superman went utterly mad?" department.
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Jun 22, 2022 23:41
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The solution to Homelander's extra hearing is obvious: emails. It's good and secure enough for the most powerful people in real life, surely it's good enough for this!
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Jun 22, 2022 23:50
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Given that half of all superhero media involves a villain character of the format, "what if a heroic character, but EVIL," there is no non-dated version of the trope. There have been many evil Supermen and Batmen and Flashes and Iron Men and Captains America and even Spider-Men. The only move left there would be to introduce, like, a queer LatinX teen who is evil. And...you know, no thank you. The novelty of The Boys was never the Superman-but-evil part. It's the "what if the actual Avengers / Justice League was owned by Exxon-Disney-Pfizer?" part. A much more interesting take.
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Jun 22, 2022 23:54
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Baudolino posted:The fact that the big bad is parody of Superman itself dates the show. The boys was not first the comic first to do" Superman but evil". No way in hell a platform owned by Jeff Bezos is putting out a show that says ultra-billionaires are the bad guys.
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Jun 22, 2022 23:55
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Henchman of Santa posted:They do that on Barry all the time. got his face scan in there and everything
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Jun 22, 2022 23:57
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Baudolino posted:I feel like if The boys comic had been made today it would have focused more on a evil Batman or a evil Tony Stark character or possibly a parody of popular mangas and animes. no since the evilness of homelander hinges on being a superman-like god who just too OP by the magic rules of the setting to really be stopped outside of some ultra effort contrivance or plot-device. there are other characters as strong or stronger, but superman is the most iconic of "invincible super beings" as well as the obvious figure for any commentary involving everything they're commenting on. As Nero Danced posted:No way in hell a platform owned by Jeff Bezos is putting out a show that says ultra-billionaires are the bad guys. Capitalists aren't scared of capitalizing on anti-capitalist sentiment. It's only a matter of time before one of these billionaires show up to play themselves as the big bad in a show from a company they own or control, if that hasn't happened already.
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Jun 23, 2022 00:08
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Elon Musk was in Iron Man 2 back in 2010, so it's already kinda happened.
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Jun 23, 2022 00:11
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BlackIronHeart posted:Elon Musk was in Iron Man 2 back in 2010, so it's already kinda happened. Remember how he tried to wear the Tony Stark facial hair because his fanbase kept making the comparison and he believed it?
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Jun 23, 2022 00:16
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As Nero Danced posted:No way in hell a platform owned by Jeff Bezos is putting out a show that says ultra-billionaires are the bad guys. I mean, I feel like the show goes pretty far out of its way to highlight the fact that unchecked capitalism directly produces unstoppable mega corporations like Vought, which ultimately contribute nothing to society but death, destruction, and general misery all around.
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Jun 23, 2022 00:17
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bezos doesn't give a gently caress if amazon's biggest show straight up says "gently caress amazon and jeff bezos and billionaires and global mega corps" because it's making him a lot of money bezos only cares when his warehouse workers go on strike
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Jun 23, 2022 00:25
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BlackIronHeart posted:Elon Musk was in Iron Man 2 back in 2010, so it's already kinda happened. Holy gently caress I forgot about this.
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Jun 23, 2022 00:37
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Elephant Ambush posted:bezos only cares when his warehouse workers go on strike Yeah, it's this. The show can say pretty much whatever it wants about corporate capitalism and I seriously doubt anyone at Amazon is auditing it, certainly not Jeff Bezos who's busy doing billionaire poo poo. Someone might care if it actively, somehow, threatened Amazon's business model in any actionable kind of way. But it's a piece of fiction about a made-up world with superheroes. A shocking number of conservatives have been watching it for years without realizing it's satire. No matter how brazen it gets with its messaging, Amazon doesn't have to address or do anything. They could shoot a scene where a suspiciously bald executive forces Homelander to suck his dick, and at most some think piece would flash across Bezos' phone weeks later, and he'd ignore it.
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Jun 23, 2022 01:14
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IIRC Jeff Bezos is in the rare position of being the single holder of >50% of the voting shares of Amazon. This means if there is a show called "Jeff Bezos Has a Tiny Dingle" and it makes a billion dollars then Jeff could conceivably just be so upset he could cancel it and nobody could do anything about it. I think Stan Edgar is a good billionaire stand in as is. Cpt_Obvious fucked around with this message at 01:35 on Jun 23, 2022 |
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Jun 23, 2022 01:33
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Cpt_Obvious posted:IIRC Jeff Bezos is in the rare position of being the single holder of >50% of the voting shares of Amazon. This means if there is a show called "Jeff Bezos Has a Tiny Dingle" and it makes a billion dollars then Jeff could conceivably just be so upset he could cancel it and nobody could do anything about it. Except he wouldn't get upset. He wouldn't care at all.
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Jun 23, 2022 01:36
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Nail Rat posted:Except he wouldn't get upset. He wouldn't care at all. Sure. Maybe. Who knows. Can you imagine the ego on the richest man in the world? Does he even put on his own pants anymore? What kind of thoughts does a man so detached from our daily lives have towards us? How alien is the world he lives in? Such a different life must shape the way he thinks, and I have no idea what that looks like. Good evening everyone. 
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Jun 23, 2022 01:44
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Baudolino posted:The fact that the big bad is parody of Superman itself dates the show. The boys was not first the comic first to do" Superman but evil". homelander wouldn't work at all if he had no powers and had to build poo poo for himself or prepare or whatever. Him being the 100 year old template for a superhero is the whole point - its the most childish and simple power fantasy stretched as thin as it possibly can.
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Jun 23, 2022 01:51
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Someone had to care enough to put in the Amazon product placement when Butcher bought Connect Four using Amazon one touch shopping. Wait a minute, presumably if you're watching this show you already have Amazon prime. Who's the product placement for? Pirates?
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Jun 23, 2022 02:01
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skooma512 posted:Subversion and deconstructing is one of the few ways to have an interesting Superman story imo. Deconstruction, maybe—in the sense that Superman would need to be very creative in his use of powers to solve problems like "how would one actually save a plane", "how much do I get involved in wars", "how much do I bow to my government and how much do I dig in my heels", "what do I do about the fact I could be saving people during my vacations", "how do I handle the guilt of inevitably losing civilians", and etc. There's good stories to be had in how a good man with power navigates those problems without compromising his ideals. People like that sort of thing. You just can't spend most of your time doing "Superman vs Bad-guy-of-the-week" story, that's all. Fionordequester fucked around with this message at 02:47 on Jun 23, 2022 |
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Jun 23, 2022 02:30
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Superman owns and the need people feel to try and subvert him does more damage to him than playing him straight.
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Jun 23, 2022 02:36
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Heck, just recall the "Flight 37" scene from this show—how much discussion people had about whether or not Homelander could have saved the plane, if he cared as much as Superman would have. Imagine how awesome it would be if it were Superman, under the exact same laws of reality that govern this show. Him cautiously trying to nudge, lift, or stop the plane any way he could, and failing each time. He hurriedly finds or radios a pilot, or some other knowledgeable person, and they eventually find some weird way of using his powers to save it in a way we wouldn't have thought of. Like, say, slowly pulling bits and pieces off from the tail in the opposing direction—gradually siphoning the plane's forward momentum until it starts going down (instead of down and forward). Then he finds the frame and gently lowers it down. Stuff like that would be pretty fascinating, I think.
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Jun 23, 2022 03:06
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Shima Honnou posted:The solution to Homelander's extra hearing is obvious: emails. It's good and secure enough for the most powerful people in real life, surely it's good enough for this! It’s how I got on that pardon list.
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Jun 23, 2022 03:11
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Homelander could have found a way,if he cared…. Good thing he didn’t cause that scene outdid the comic (which was also very well done).
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Jun 23, 2022 03:16
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Fionordequester posted:Heck, just recall the "Flight 37" scene from this show—how much discussion people had about whether or not Homelander could have saved the plane, if he cared as much as Superman would have. I do think you could make a really good story out of that if you were making a Superman show, but I'm pretty sure they already tried the almost not saving a plane thing in Superman Returns.
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Jun 23, 2022 03:36
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PSXer posted:Someone had to care enough to put in the Amazon product placement when Butcher bought Connect Four using Amazon one touch shopping. Maybe they just went "Hey can you have characters order something from Amazon" because why not. Even if it doesn't work it doesn't cost them anything.
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Jun 23, 2022 03:41
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it was the best of threads; it was the blurst of threads
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Jun 23, 2022 04:22
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PSXer posted:Someone had to care enough to put in the Amazon product placement when Butcher bought Connect Four using Amazon one touch shopping. Maintaining mindshare is a thing. The more you see think about buying poo poo on Amazon the more likely you are to keep buying poo poo on Amazon. edit: started a rewatch as a background noise thing and it is really funny how chuds didn't get the political commentary, before. it's not subtle from the start 
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Jun 23, 2022 04:30
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Famously quick on the uptake, those CHUDs
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Jun 23, 2022 05:22
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Nail Rat posted:edit: started a rewatch as a background noise thing and it is really funny how chuds didn't get the political commentary, before. it's not subtle from the start For example, Homelander's post-Flight 37 speech steals lines from Bush's post-9/11 speech. Both taking place after a terrorist attack involving planes, too. Fionordequester fucked around with this message at 05:42 on Jun 23, 2022 |
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Jun 23, 2022 05:39
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guys. i think this homelander guy might not be a very nice person.
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Jun 23, 2022 05:51
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We need an episode dedicated to the real hero of this show : Frenchie’s little plaid pants.
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Jun 23, 2022 06:22
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I'm curious to see if Soldier Boy's depowering effect is permanent or temporary. Guess we'll see with Kimiko. I mean, even a temporary effect would be dangerous to Homelander, of course. I figure we're either heading for a season ending of Homelander weakened/depowered, or Soldier Boy turns out to be so dangerous and unhinged that the Boys actually have to help the Seven beat him, leaving Homelander more popular than ever.
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Jun 23, 2022 06:23
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ded posted:guys. i think this homelander guy might not be a very nice person. He's the real hero. He is the one who protects us from super terrorists and saves people every day. And now he's protecting us from big pharma and deep state corruption, standing up to even Stan Edgar! What do you do? Post on the internet? You're a wannabe and a nobody, gently caress off
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Jun 23, 2022 06:24
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As Nero Danced posted:There should be a whole sequence of them passing notes back and forth in a big zinc box (with "zinc" written on the side so we know, but I'm sure some people would remain skeptical) so we know homelander can't read the note. I'm sorry, as much as I love Anthony Starr, he is nowhere near Brad Pitt's level of method acting. I mean, Homelander hasn't lobbed a glass at a bar patron all season.
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Jun 23, 2022 07:09
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Evil superman properties need to be made every 5 years because what constitutes a bad guy changes with each us election cycle.
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Jun 23, 2022 07:14
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Prediction: Homelander will appoint Blue Beetle to The Seven, just to torment A-Train.
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Jun 23, 2022 08:25
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