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His Divine Shadow posted:Bet that's the only thing bolt upright about this guy. LOL his COCK 
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61866971quote:Paul Brown, from Newcastle, says he is worried he will miss his stag do this weekend due to the strikes. by denying this man his right of passage he is being denied his rite of passage to be tied to a lamp post wearing only a big pair of crude, plastic boobs and a marker pen LIL SLUT tramp stramp and then doused in flour, you selfish, greedy monsters 
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while everyone else goes WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEY, like that
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You know what we're really missing from this being a real rerun of the 70's? - miners strikes. We have no miners? Boris is on it! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61904622
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Strom Cuzewon posted:Because you need to be pretty smart, have a solid grasp of the relevant facts, and also be able to put it across cleanly without getting flustered by dickheads. It looks simple, but it's a real skill. To be honest, I think what he does best - shrugging his way past the trap questions without leaving a pause or hesitating in a way that would show weakness - is *insanely* hard and takes a huge amount of quick-wittedness as well as cool-headedness. In that first TV interview, when the Tory shot off a random "Will you apologise to the veterans of countless wars who can't get into town today?" the instinctive thing to do is to try and mirror the question in order to rebut it, because that's just how we're used to responding when someone throws a ludicrous accusation at us. Which ends up being "No, I don't think I do need to apologise, because-", or at best a rehearsed-sounding "I think what veterans are really upset about is-" And that then shifts the power across to your opponent to keep pursuing their 'gotcha' - which the Tory was clearly expecting to happen, as he continued to whine about "No apology for veterans then!" even as the debate moved on.
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Grey Hunter posted:You know what we're really missing from this being a real rerun of the 70's? - miners strikes. It's more likely to translate into a bunch of  articles in the Express though.
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https://twitter.com/JonnyMao/status/1539708385175764993?s=20&t=vCwjiK0xY9eIvyQlTbSuew Mick is doing it right (I'm pretty sure this is parody but it's still funny)
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the media just want punch and judy moments they can clip up and push to go viral; they thought becasue lynch was a thick necked working bloke they could easily derail him with nonsense and oh poo poo turns out he's the boss of one of the most powerful unions in the uk with decades of experience in navigating difficult conversations; they still get their punch and judy moment to clip up and go viral just not in the way they wanted you can see they've already shifted tone to 'mick lynch: behind the legend' (who's your political hero? have you considered going into politics? what do you think about you newfound fame?). he's already slipped up by being drawn into these kind of questions imo, he should refocusing immediately onto I'm here to represent the RMT and my members , the only thing that matters about me is that I'm elected to do this job etc. the next step will be to flip it to 'mick lynch: too big for his boots?' union baron more interested in media career than representing his members etc - the media will destroy you if they want to, sometimes they just take a few goes to find the right angle. really nothing expresses class politics in this country better than the leader of one of the most important working organisations in the uk coming on major news channels and being met with "are you a overpaid workshy troublemaker? you overpaid workshy trouble maker" right out the gate. can you image if when a bank CEO or CBI president or something went on tv they opened with "aren't you just a fat cat who'd sell your own granny for pennies"; no that's always please sir thank you sir fawning
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Tesseraction posted:lol good compilation https://twitter.com/PoliticsJOE_UK/status/1539586852797169664 That last clip in there (the Sophy Ridge one) is really, really, really good. I mean, it's all amazing, but dang.
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Rustybear posted:the media just want punch and judy moments they can clip up and push to go viral; they thought becasue lynch was a thick necked working bloke they could easily derail him with nonsense and oh poo poo turns out he's the boss of one of the most powerful unions in the uk with decades of experience in navigating difficult conversations; they still get their punch and judy moment to clip up and go viral just not in the way they wanted I mean they'll just turn him into the new Bob Crow, making GBS threads on him for taking VACATIONS???? and then lionising him if he dies of a heart attack. If Lynch dies of a heart attack then it's definitely an MI5 op and Corbyn should be counting his blessings.
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Push comes to shove they can always just get Andrew Neil to ask him "do you still beat your wife" over and over until the credits roll, and then claim victory. Or, just not interview him and allow discourse to happen about him, without him.
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far be it for me to criticise bob crow but that's exactly where you don't want to be sitting on HIGNFY having your speech intercut with ian hislop pulling a horse face
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winegums posted:Push comes to shove they can always just get Andrew Neil to ask him "do you still beat your wife" over and over until the credits roll, and then claim victory. I've always wondered about this, isn't the question "have you stopped beating your wife" or variations thereof inherently libellous if they haven't actually been convicted of it? Because you aren't just asking if they beat their wife, you are outright stating that they have done so in the past, which seems pretty foolish without the receipts to back it up.
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Jun 23, 2022 12:11
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How long until the first article telling us how much his house is worth
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Also hearing rumours he owns a fridge
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:I've always wondered about this, isn't the question "have you stopped beating your wife" or variations thereof inherently libellous if they haven't actually been convicted of it? Because you aren't just asking if they beat their wife, you are outright stating that they have done so in the past, which seems pretty foolish without the receipts to back it up. I think that anything in the form of a question cannot be libellous and that's why Betteridge's Law exists.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:How do we have a Tory government and a brexit when the UK public... Doesn't seem so bad? Have they got better? The olds always turn out and vote, and they vote 80% for the Bad Things these days. Younger people with actual jobs and all that, less so.
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Comrade Fakename posted:Relevant to recent discussion: Yes, but that's what a union is. If all the train drivers are in jail, that's just the government doing the strike for you!
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Well drivers are ASLEF not RMT so that's a sticking point.
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Jun 23, 2022 14:18
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I think the increasing conglomeration of unions may actually help in the immediate term. The IWW may have been right about the idea of "one big union".
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Seems impossible on a practical level given the overwhelming majority of train tickets are sold on machines and tickets are checked at automated barrier gates. I guess they could open the gates but that seems like going beyond striking into sabotage.
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Jun 23, 2022 14:23
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Set the machines to dispense free tickets and enjoy watching people take free holidays all over the country.
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Tesseraction posted:Set the machines to dispense free tickets and enjoy watching people take free holidays all over the country. The trains will immediately fill up with rational economic actors travelling up and down the line forever to take advantage of a free good.
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feedmegin posted:The olds always turn out and vote, and they vote 80% for the Bad Things these days. Younger people with actual jobs and all that, less so. Yeah, i think maybe the British public isn't so bad. Whereas the British VOTER is a suspicious pie-faced gammon, twitching his net curtains, phoning the police about kids sat on the bench outside, and reading about enemies of the people in the daily mail.
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peanut- posted:Seems impossible on a practical level given the overwhelming majority of train tickets are sold on machines and tickets are checked at automated barrier gates. They can just..leave the ticket gates open. Like they already do whenever there is no one to man the gates.
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grobbo posted:To be honest, I think what he does best - shrugging his way past the trap questions without leaving a pause or hesitating in a way that would show weakness - is *insanely* hard and takes a huge amount of quick-wittedness as well as cool-headedness. It's why the gammon gotcha of 'well if you care so much about politics why don't you run as an mp' is such bullshit, because it's not about ideas any more, it's about surviving the media relentlessly grinding you down every day, and I don't think any normal person is really going to be able to withstand that.
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The Perfect Element posted:Yeah, i think maybe the British public isn't so bad. Whereas the British VOTER is a suspicious pie-faced gammon, twitching his net curtains, phoning the police about kids sat on the bench outside, and reading about enemies of the people in the daily mail. I think this is broadly right, and a good thing to keep in mind. The general public has - consistently - been found to favour more progressive (socially and economically) policies than we get - like that One Show segment when Gyles Brandreth went around Guildford finding people who supported virtually all of Corbyn's policies but hated him and the Labour Party. But it gets messy when it comes to votes because the demographics that vote the most are the most reactionary and conservative, and a lot of the rest who will - in isolation - support progressive politics will vote Tory out of short-term self interest or cultural/national appeals. And yes, you get the scary "Full social democracy please...but only for the right sort of people" types as well. In Mick Lynch news: https://twitter.com/mrdanwalker/status/1539707071997923331?t=1_bMm0aQVBwT3WNHzXsNkA&s=19 Amazing what can happen when the interviewer is sane!
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Here's a loving wild headline https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1539919313100062723?t=aEn0k9z5vOKDVyUAPSH5bg&s=19 Apparently he's some prominent Nigerian politician so I'm expecting a new racist moral panic in the best future.
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Why the UK? South Africa would be easier to travel to, has a long history of pioneering organ transplants, overland smuggling routes from the north, and still lets the apartheid chemical weapons meth cook doctor work in a day clinic for some reason, so it seems like there'd be someone you could find with less hassle.
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BalloonFish posted:I think this is broadly right, and a good thing to keep in mind. The general public has - consistently - been found to favour more progressive (socially and economically) policies than we get - like that One Show segment when Gyles Brandreth went around Guildford finding people who supported virtually all of Corbyn's policies but hated him and the Labour Party. I wouldn’t describe a bloke who claims to be a fundamentalist Christian and thinks god invented dinosaurs 6000 years ago, but was busy banging away at his dancer behind his wife’s back on Strictly, as sane.
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I enjoy that he disclaims being a marxist and then immediately follows it by explaining marxist theory of worker/employer relations.
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The immortal science of Marxism-Lynchism
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Guavanaut posted:Why the UK? It is weird. I'm assuming old politician is trying to buy himself a new liver or something, but you would think it would be easier for him to ship a doctor to Nigeria a than ship a kid to the UK. Maybe we'll find out, maybe not.
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smellmycheese posted:I wouldn’t describe a bloke who claims to be a fundamentalist Christian and thinks god invented dinosaurs 6000 years ago, but was busy banging away at his dancer behind his wife’s back on Strictly, as sane. Oops - I obviously haven't been keeping my newsreaders (strictly).xlsx up to date... Still says something that the Christian fundamentalist is so far the one to actually do a proper interview rather than flaring their nostrils and rolling their eyes while shouting "Why are you so flustered, Mr Lynch???"
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