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Kalli posted:lmao, oh Snyder lol great content. up there with: "sir, the question was, 'is this your signature?'"
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Jun 23, 2022 15:54
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:Giving Baker an extension isn't crazy as long as the money is reasonable. The browns might have to extend him (and overpay due to everything) based on the watson situation.
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Jun 23, 2022 15:56
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Kawalimus posted:Mayfield was good in 2020--not contending for all-pro or anything but 26 TD to 8 INT is a pretty strong showing. Last year he was just eh but was hurt most of the year. He's not comparable to someone like Sam D'arnold who I think is what everyone is thinking of. D'arnold at his best was never even close to as good as Mayfield at his worst. Gotta disagree, my friend. Mayfield is not a good option for a team like Seattle. Mayfield had better rbs, pass catchers, and offensive line than he will have in Seattle. Mayfield was in an incredibly QB friendly scheme. It is extremely unlikely that Mayfield will ever have a year as good as his 2020, in Seattle. Seattle, on the other hand, had trouble winning in the playoffs with an elite franchise quarterback. Why do you think they'd suddenly have better playoff performance with an average qb? The outcome of Mayfield on the hawks is they get stuck on the mediocrity treadmill of being too good for a high draft pick but too bad to do anything meaningful related to the post season.
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Jun 23, 2022 15:58
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Ornery and Hornery posted:Gotta disagree, my friend. Mayfield is not a good option for a team like Seattle. He was drafted #1 overall to an 0-16 team and they were 7-8-1 the next season with him starting as a rookie. I'm not a big believer in that sort of tanking.
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Jun 23, 2022 16:04
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I don’t understand what your response has to do with my post. Getting stuck in mediocrity is independent of actively tanking.
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Ornery and Hornery posted:I don’t understand what your response has to do with my post. Getting stuck in mediocrity is independent of actively tanking. I don't think Mayfield is as bad of an option as you're saying, he had success even as a rookie going onto a team that was 0-16 the previous year on a franchise with a modern history of pure misery. And they were able to build a team around him. So it's a perfectly fine idea for the Seahawks to give things a try if the price is right. Just throwing your hands up and being bad doesn't guarantee those higher draft picks will result in a better team, as we've seen for years with many franchises. The Bills got Josh Allen not with the #1 overall but #7. Patrick Mahomes was #10. Lamar Jackson a #32. You can very easily just get stuck in a "dreadmill" as much as a treadmill.
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Jun 23, 2022 16:13
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Baker will do well in Seattle. That’s a great move if you can get him for cheap and a moderately priced extension
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Jun 23, 2022 16:21
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fsif posted:Sam D'Arnold
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Jun 23, 2022 16:23
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I guess the issue is if Seattle wants to bother trying to compete with the NFCW this upcoming season with the reigning Super Bowl Rams, the frisky 49'ers, and… umm… the Cardinals.
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Kawalimus posted:I don't think Mayfield is as bad of an option as you're saying, he had success even as a rookie going onto a team that was 0-16 the previous year on a franchise with a modern history of pure misery. And they were able to build a team around him. So it's a perfectly fine idea for the Seahawks to give things a try if the price is right. The point is that they had a good team around Mayfield and then built a great team around Mayfield and he was still less productive than elite qbs. Of course being bad doesn't guarantee that those higher draft picks will pan out. Any draft pick is a gamble. But it's objectively true that generally the better QB prospects go higher than worse QB prospects. The teams that are consistently at the top of the draft are there because a combination of just awful Coaching/GM and/or no franchise quarterback (also SF had a few years of abysmal injuries). So if Pete and John do get stuck in the "dreadmill" then that indicates that they suck rear end and should be fired. Mayfield is not going to help Seattle win a superbowl. Heck, he's not even going to help Seattle win the NFC West. Ornery and Hornery fucked around with this message at 17:09 on Jun 23, 2022 |
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Jun 23, 2022 16:58
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It's not gonna be hard to make the playoffs in the NFC Outside the Buccaneers / Packers / Rams / NFC East, and I guess you can add the 49ers if you pretend their QB situation is fine. That's still leaving 2 spots for the Saints, Vikings, Cardinals, and rest of the NFC East to fight over... Not exactly murderer's row and that's even before injuries decapitate anybody.
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Jun 23, 2022 16:59
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Baker's situation on the Browns was pretty good but his receiving corps was mediocre. Not many QBs are putting up elite numbers there.
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Jun 23, 2022 17:02
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fsif posted:Baker's situation on the Browns was pretty good but his receiving corps was mediocre. Not many QBs are putting up elite numbers there. Landry, OBJ, Peoples-Jones seems pretty good? I have not seen enough of Njoku to know if he good or not.
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Jun 23, 2022 17:12
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Kawalimus posted:Sam D'arnold Please don’t post the name of my half-orc rogue
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Jun 23, 2022 17:16
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Wait a minute. There's no apostrophe there? What the hell. I have seen an apostrophe for the last several years. What the heck!!! This is one of those weird things. Man!
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Jun 23, 2022 17:22
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fsif posted:Baker's situation on the Browns was pretty good but his receiving corps was mediocre. Not many QBs are putting up elite numbers there. OBJ showed he wasn't nearly as bad as Baker made him look when he got to the Rams. Jarvis was more injured than Baker last year and had been solid previously. God their injury management last year was loving stupid.
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Jun 23, 2022 17:25
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Kawalimus posted:Wait a minute. There's no apostrophe there? What the hell. I have seen an apostrophe for the last several years. What the heck!!! This is one of those weird things. Man! 
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Jun 23, 2022 17:27
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Mand'ela effect
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Jun 23, 2022 17:35
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Ornery and Hornery posted:Landry, OBJ, Peoples-Jones seems pretty good? Where would the Browns' receiver room have ranked across NFL? No higher than, like, 20th. Beckham showed he had some value as a solid secondary option in LA, but he's not a top 30 guy and he was supposed to be Baker's WR1. Landry's a great slot guy and People-Jones is a JAG. Not the worst group by a long shot but it was pretty limited and the Browns had an elite run game. So, you know, would not expect Burrow numbers from anyone in that situation.
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Jun 23, 2022 17:38
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https://twitter.com/SBRSportsPicks/status/1540013685250326528 so the nfl's going to have to worry about this guy in a couple of years, right? wonder just how good this kid is.
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Jun 23, 2022 17:50
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Ches Neckbeard posted:OBJ showed he wasn't nearly as bad as Baker made him look when he got to the Rams. He kinda had sameish production by rate stats-wise (possibly a little worse everywhere other than TDs which are admittedly important things), but he did it on a new team immediately with guys he wasn't used to playing with. How much of this is coaching or scheme or QB or whatever is up to debate. I'm betting on coaching but I'm not going to die on this hill if someone has a better idea.
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Jun 23, 2022 17:54
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Sam of Arnold.
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Jun 23, 2022 18:00
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We're talking about the Browns .... right? You could have put Josh Allen on that team and he'd probably be on his way out of the league. Mayfield will be good in a competent organization.
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Jun 23, 2022 18:01
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Grittybeard posted:He kinda had sameish production by rate stats-wise (possibly a little worse everywhere other than TDs which are admittedly important things), but he did it on a new team immediately with guys he wasn't used to playing with. How much of this is coaching or scheme or QB or whatever is up to debate. Mayfield just straight up couldn't throw to OBJ for whatever reason. Stefanski ain't the genius he got billed as in 2020 but I don't think the Mayfield to OBJ lack of connecting is on him. That wasn't strong under Kitchens to begin with.
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Phobeste posted:Please don’t post the name of my half-orc rogue fartknocker posted:Joe F’lacco
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Jun 23, 2022 18:49
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Introducing the Goalline According to Samuel Trent D’Arnold
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Jun 23, 2022 19:45
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D’arnold was the worst Musketeer
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MyChemicalImbalance posted:Dbrickashaw F'erguson Holy poo poo, I didn't realize that was a real person. I figured it was one of the Key & Peele made-up ones. https://www.audacy.com/sports/nfl/dbrickashaw-ferguson-inspired-iconic-key-and-peele-sketch L’Carpetron Dookmarriot
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Jun 23, 2022 21:00
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Jun 23, 2022 21:17
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If Arch Manning is as good as advertised that's a hell of a lot of fun watching Texas go nuts for him. Good for them. *I don't hate UT like everyone else, much prefer this to Alabama, LSU or Clemson
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Jun 23, 2022 21:35
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People keep hearing Baker extension and assuming its a big money extension. Duder could accept he is getting a paycut
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Jun 23, 2022 21:38
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Zurreco posted:People keep hearing Baker extension and assuming its a big money extension. Duder could accept he is getting a paycut He's sitting at a year guaranteed and if he plays well sets himself up for
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Henrik Zetterberg posted:Holy poo poo, I didn't realize that was a real person. I figured it was one of the Key & Peele made-up ones. Pretty sure he’s in a later sketch where they sprinkle in some real players like Ha Ha Clinton-Dix and A.A. Ron Rodgers Think it’s this one: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mDp-ABzpRX8
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Jun 23, 2022 22:38
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Send Baker to Seattle.
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Jun 23, 2022 22:40
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Still kinda surprised the Texans haven't gone for Baker
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Tim Whatley posted:Still kinda surprised the Texans haven't gone for Baker They're going to give Mills a chance. While Baker's not going to be a top level QB, he does present a threat to snaps for someone they internally might like more They want to suck for better picks OP
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