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I can *sorta* see why he'd think it's ok, but yeah, you don't gently caress with NDAs.
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Jun 23, 2022 13:39
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yeah, like if you have an NDA/embargo, even if it's been shown/leaked or released in other places for real(in this case it doesn't look like it was) you shouldn't post anything that would break it without clearing it past the NDA issuer first. Nothing GW did here was particularly unreasonable. If you break an NDA/Embargo in any industry you are liable to get smacked hard. If I break a work NDA or talk about privileged information I have access to, I'm likely to get fired, and I'm protected by a union.
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Jun 23, 2022 14:02
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Uh yeah. I have to be really careful with my Gloomhaven shitposting due to my NDA. If I broke that I'd expect some serious penalties. Not working with them anymore would be a given.
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Jun 23, 2022 14:19
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MeinPanzer posted:Obviously being a content creator is a privilege, but GW's response seems to be way out of proportion with Miniac's infraction. The part where he talks about feeling "discarded" like GW is a friend being cold and not a corporation viewing him as a liability is odd. Like, GW isn't your friend, lol, they don't give a poo poo. Share prices up and profits well into the black and nothing else matters.
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Jun 23, 2022 14:27
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It maps to the parasocial nature of his sub industry, though. It's probably really hard to unblur professional and personal associations once you're neck deep in influencer culture.
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Jun 23, 2022 14:53
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There are some bullshit NDAs and having to outsource to have time to do what they want you to do seems a bit lovely, but just leaking new models does seem like a pretty open and shut case of reasonable NDA usage. And echoing what others have said: companies are never your friends, your contact at the company might, but they still have to listen to their bosses and can't always protect you.
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Jun 23, 2022 14:59
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moths posted:It maps to the parasocial nature of his sub industry, though. It's probably really hard to unblur professional and personal associations once you're neck deep in influencer culture. This is what I was interested in discussing with posting this. Obviously he's at fault for violating an embargo and breaking an NDA, and GW terminating his contract is the logical legal consequence of that. But corporations do have discretion in how they enforce those kinds of contracts, and I found it surprising that someone loving up and posting something that they quickly took down again when notified would be cut off so abruptly. There was obviously no malice involved, since he posted it to his IG and didn't try to hide what he did. I mean, from GW's perspective, you'd think it would be worthwhile to give someone a bit of leeway, since there aren't exactly bucketloads of high profile mini painters with tens of thousands of followers on social media. MeinPanzer fucked around with this message at 15:25 on Jun 23, 2022 |
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Jun 23, 2022 15:23
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I mean if they wanted to they can always find another painter and prop him up so it's not like he is irreplacable. On the other hand if they let one guy get away with breaking contracts with them because he is popular then what is a message here
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Jun 23, 2022 15:28
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There are plenty of painters good enough to become that popular if they had the weight of GW behind them, though, and that's probably how whoever runs the partner program looks at it.
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MeinPanzer posted:This is what I was interested in discussing with posting this. Obviously he's at fault for violating an embargo and breaking an NDA, and GW terminating his contract is the logical legal consequence of that. But corporations do have discretion in how they enforce those kinds of contracts, and I found it surprising that someone loving up and posting something that they quickly took down again when notified would be cut off so abruptly. There was obviously no malice involved, since he posted it to his IG and didn't try to hide what he did. Legal departments are not encouraged to be forgiving, as that could be seen to encourage bad actors.
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Jun 23, 2022 15:32
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MeinPanzer posted:
The other thing to consider is that these guys are essentially click vampires. Consider what happens if one breaks NDA without consequence. The whole cadre of demi-representatives suddenly has no reason to adhere to the agreement. The incentive of an exclusive "accidental leak" would be irresistible. The whole model unravels. It stinks, but you can't sign an NDA and then subcontract out the thing you promised not to disclose. I've worked jobs where that would have gotten me fired, fined, criminally charged, or all of the above. Dude's lucky they just dumped him. It's weird to see someone acting from both sides of the parasocial mindset here, though. The whole phenomenon of parasocial relationships is fascinating, and tabletop and video-gamers seem especially prone to investing in them.
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Jun 23, 2022 15:56
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The guy acts as a company's independent advertising and then does something that would get you written up if you were an actual employee of the company. Getting cut off is the natural expected consequence.
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Miniac also is on record as not liking Space Marines at all, and Horus Heresy in particular. He was a strange choice to begin with, and the fact he cared so little about this huge launch is pretty unsurprising. The fact that he is crying about being lightly punished for breaking his contract has really lost him even more clout than if he had quietly accepted his punishment and got back on with posting videos.
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Jun 23, 2022 16:08
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Aren't NDAs supposed to be unenforceable? Or is that non-competes
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Aren't NDAs supposed to be unenforceable? Or is that non-competes NDAs are absolutely enforceable and have been heavily enforced for a very long time.
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Aren't NDAs supposed to be unenforceable? Or is that non-competes
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Aren't NDAs supposed to be unenforceable? Or is that non-competes You're thinking of non-competes, and those are variably enforceable depending on jurisdiction and precise language. There are definitely forms of non-competes that have been enforced in certain states and situations. There are also jurisdictions where they're almost totally unenforceable, like here in California. And this guy may have only accidentally busted his NDA, but when you sign an NDA you are signing up to be meticulously careful. "I thought this had already been leaked on some other channel" isn't sufficient reason to be cavalier; the smart thing to do would have been to contact GW and ask if those specific models were safe to post. Communication is critical. GW not only has the legal right to sever this relationship, they have a reasonable right to consider that this person didn't take the NDA seriously enough to bother to communicate. You don't want to continue a business relationship with someone that careless. None of this should be construed as actually condoning the practice of using social media personalities as essentially free advertising, or paying people for their work in product instead of money, etc. That's hardly a thing GW invented or is alone in doing, but it's a gross labor practice across a lot of industries and I'd love to see it fade away (or be eliminated via legislation). If you want someone to paint your models for an upcoming convention, you should pay them costs and labor for their work, instead of doling out "free product" to someone who is supposed to recoup their actual costs on their own by hustling for pennies and clicks on youtube.
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Jun 23, 2022 18:49
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oh wait lmao they weren't getting paid at all for this lmao, and they dropped 1k to have someone else do it. Jesus christ hobbyist media suuuucks.
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Jun 23, 2022 19:17
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Mors Rattus posted:Legal departments are not encouraged to be forgiving, as that could be seen to encourage bad actors. This is what it boils down to. They drew a line and when that line's crossed, even if it's understandable for a person to make that mistake, there's consequences.
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Jun 23, 2022 20:25
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MeinPanzer posted:It's also unusual to hear a content creator talk so frankly about the costs and stresses of trying to produce enough to keep up with the demands of sponsorship, including paying someone a grand to paint an army. Maybe I don't pay enough attention, but I feel that this is the second line of defense for any content creator that enters the 'find out' phase of loving around (right after nonapologizing)
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Jun 23, 2022 20:35
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Dexo posted:oh wait lmao they weren't getting paid at all for this I mean, he makes money from YouTube, so it isn't exactly outside the scope of any other business expense.
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Jun 23, 2022 20:43
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Are people actually doing this for YouTube pennies or is that just another stepping stone towards Patreon/ Kickstarter money?
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Jun 23, 2022 21:12
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No one has a 100k plus sub count on youtube without a patreon.
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GW is also been having army books months out from release getting leaked in their entirety rules-wise. I can see their legal being a little more on edge with NDA breaks.
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moths posted:Are people actually doing this for YouTube pennies or is that just another stepping stone towards Patreon/ Kickstarter money? YouTube money is actually pretty good if you have any reasonable level of viewcount.
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Jun 24, 2022 02:50
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TEEF NOT TERF made me snort laugh so loud I scared the cats.
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I'm delurking because I absolutely must know the source of this image, if you have it.
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wizzardstaff posted:I'm delurking because I absolutely must know the source of this image, if you have it. GIS turns up an artist called AutumnArchfey.
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Toshimo posted:YouTube money is actually pretty good if you have any reasonable level of viewcount. That depends entirely on how much the algorithm god and ad devils favors you at any particular moment. This guy with 1.4m subs and 200-600k views per video couldn't stay afloat without patreon currently.
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Jun 24, 2022 11:25
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Different niches can pay wildly differently. All depends on what advertisers want to put adds on your videos.
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Jun 24, 2022 19:39
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That guy acts like he is working for GW in that video too, making them money. He does Youtube because it makes him money. He's not a volunteer, or on the GW payroll. Yikes
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alg posted:That guy acts like he is working for GW in that video too, making them money. He does Youtube because it makes him money. He's not a volunteer, or on the GW payroll. Yikes Errr, I mean, I still don't think he has a good argument but he does make GW money. Whether he's directly paid or not they contracted him because it's a mutually beneficial relationship where he benefits from getting early access to product that he can review and they benefit from him basically doing PR for their product. That is the influencer business model, for better or for worse.
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Love this, they should have an Agender pride flag too!
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https://twitter.com/RollPersuasion/status/1540840652908412928 Whoopsie doodle.
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He doesn’t need to be on the website to keep working for the company, which means he just could not resist being up there for his own vanity. Truly incredible.
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Jun 26, 2022 03:57
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The man is obviously crushed. He's wearing a shirt with sleeves for godsake.
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Tendales posted:The man is obviously crushed. He's wearing a shirt with sleeves for godsake. The sleeves are actually a magic item in their next book. They provide advantage on saving throws against shame.
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What's really funny to me is that the twitter link on his bio takes you to an internet archive snapshot of his twitter from before everyone found out what a shithead he is.
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