Rime posted:

Stereotype posted:

hail satan

Rime posted:

Ihmemies posted:

People don't give a poo poo about climate change because the info is just something they can't/won't remember:

https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/06/impact-of-reading-about-climate-science-goes-away-almost-instantly/

Oh what's that, increased co2 in atmosphere causes mass fires, floods and famine?

... *Thought evaporates*

Wanna go bowling?

"Exposing people to scientific information seems to work, but only briefly—and very briefly if they subsequently get exposed to misinformation in the form of opinion pieces. The researchers involved refer to holding accurate information as "fragile" and conclude that "the persistence of misperceptions reflects both the limits of human memory and the constraints imposed by the political information environment.""

Morbus posted:

I think you underestimate how resilient knowledge of these things is, how quickly it can be reconstructed, how redundant/correlated a lot of technological knowledge is (allowing for pieces B, C, D to be quickly reconstructed from just piece A), and how many people there are out there who have a tremendous amount of knowledge about many things esoteric to the average person. Also, a lot of modern technology is very obvious and inevitable once you understand certain base facts that were simply unknown for a long time. Even the mere understanding that a particular thing is for sure, 100%, *possible* can make it's technological development nearly inevitable in short order--at least in terms of the knowledge and techniques required.

Honestly I think ol' Teddy K covered this more or less correctly--technologies gated predominantly by *knowledge* never really revert or disappear, but technology dependent on a high level of economic and social organization over large spaces and over large times will disappear as societies collapse to become smaller, less complex, and less integrated. Anything that can be done, in some fashion, on a small scale will not be forgotten--especially if it has applications for weapons, transportation, energy production, or agriculture.

Stereotype posted:

hail satan

Rime posted:

Rime posted:

Ihmemies posted:

People don't give a poo poo about climate change because the info is just something they can't/won't remember:

https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/06/impact-of-reading-about-climate-science-goes-away-almost-instantly/

Oh what's that, increased co2 in atmosphere causes mass fires, floods and famine?

... *Thought evaporates*

Wanna go bowling?

"Exposing people to scientific information seems to work, but only briefly—and very briefly if they subsequently get exposed to misinformation in the form of opinion pieces. The researchers involved refer to holding accurate information as "fragile" and conclude that "the persistence of misperceptions reflects both the limits of human memory and the constraints imposed by the political information environment.""

Dixon Chisholm posted:

Biosphere prolapse

Fozzy The Bear posted:

The opposite of collapse; for those wanting to go down the rabbit hole of gardening/agriculture/farming that improves the land used:

Grains/cereals/beans/legumes
No-till farming that uses zero fertilizer. Farmers with hundreds of acres plant a mix of cover crops (quick growing plants that take nitrogen from the air and put it into the soil). Then right before the crop sets seed, they use a heavy roller to break the stems and roll it flat. With a special tractor they cut into that residue and deposit the seed of the cash crop they are wanting to farm.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuwwfL2o9d4

Vegetables
Market gardens. Small scale farmers using 1-5 acres are much more efficient growing vegetables(and much more profitable per acre). Mound up standard length-wide beds of soil, and apply compost to them each year as the fertilizer. No tractors needed, 100% human powered with tools designed for high efficiency.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5iJYVnw4ns
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVY4SJt4mzg

Meat
Rotational/mob grazing. Using herds of cows/sheep/goats/chickens, you divide up your land and rotate your animals into different sections, the key being you give the land a few months to rest before the animals return to that area.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZagcP4U8-0

Homocow posted:

our attention span is so collectively damaged that people literally can't process impending danger because it just sublimates from their minds moments later

lol lmao

lollontee posted:

retard demon babyfucker empires of the west might not be able to survive in a world where neocolonial exploitation becomes impossible as their economies and ecologies collapse, and the incapabilities of neoliberal states in their responses becomes obvious to their citizens and enslaved immigrant populations, but I am not convinced the same would hold true for China and the economic sphere they're building. China switching over to a limited trade sphere, and surviving in autarky even if that fails, seems to me an entirely possible to achieve goal for them within 10-20 years

lollontee posted:

retard demon babyfucker empires of the west might not be able to survive in a world where neocolonial exploitation becomes impossible as their economies and ecologies collapse, and the incapabilities of neoliberal states in their responses becomes obvious to their citizens and enslaved immigrant populations, but I am not convinced the same would hold true for China and the economic sphere they're building. China switching over to a limited trade sphere, and surviving in autarky even if that fails, seems to me an entirely possible to achieve goal for them within 10-20 years

lollontee posted:

retard demon babyfucker empires of the west might not be able to survive in a world where neocolonial exploitation becomes impossible as their economies and ecologies collapse, and the incapabilities of neoliberal states in their responses becomes obvious to their citizens and enslaved immigrant populations, but I am not convinced the same would hold true for China and the economic sphere they're building. China switching over to a limited trade sphere, and surviving in autarky even if that fails, seems to me an entirely possible to achieve goal for them within 10-20 years

Rectal Death Adept posted:

This is amazing work. As a student of the climate I can say that I’ve seen hundreds of stories like this, and have shown little to no emotion. The stories were just windows to a future I’ve never believed in, weather and temperatures I never knew or would ever know. But this story made me stop and evaluate. Putting Credit Scores in focus made me actually look at what is really happening. Putting something that everyone is familiar with in a situation that no one knows, and to make people feel those emotions well, that takes amazing talent. Thank you.

Shyrka posted:

Hi thread, I know it's all pretty doom and gloom, but I had a really good thought I'm excited to share with you to combat the doomerism.

Every time you see some horrible news about climate change, and how you're seeing that kind of news a lot more than you used to, think about police brutality!

Sure, you're seeing a lot of news about that too, right? But that's just because everyone has a camera now to document it, it was actually always happening!

Climate change works the same way. All the fires and droughts and floods you hear about? They always happened they just didn't get as much coverage before, that means things aren't actually getting worse it's just the same as it ever was!

Funky See Funky Do posted:

3-4c degrees of warming (what we're on track for) over a period of a few centuries (with 60-75% of that warming occurring in ~50 years) is apocalyptic and an existential threat to us as a species. Unless China rips itself out of the mantle and flies off into space it's as hosed as everyone else is.

lollontee posted:

a strong and ideologically motivated government, with immensely powerful manufacturing and scientific sectors of society, adapting to 2.5 degree warming over the course of 50 years in a way that doesn't lead to the total collapse of technological civilization, but merely immense chaos and suffering; and this is something you cannot visualize?

Pryor on Fire posted:

nowhere is safe.

Pryor on Fire posted:

Everyone seems to think their little favorite spot will be totally fine in climate change scenarios. I think I've heard this same denial argument about every city and country on earth in this very thread.

You are all wrong, nowhere is safe.

bi crimes posted:

if I live near a big source of fresh water, I may be able to live for like another year before I have to flee or am stuck in some refugee ghetto that is dangerous and kills me due to exposure/disease/thirst/starvation

Bharatrocity posted:

I'm so maladapted to heat, it's ridiculous. Got up early today to do some weeding in the potato patch and prep a new field for the Jerusalem artichokes. loving 10 AM, and I'm sweating like I've run a marathon. 19°C. Tomorrow's gonna be 10 degrees warmer. Good thing that carbon capture plant in Iceland is up and running. Gonna plant som trees for shade tonight, gently caress this.

Bharatrocity posted:

I'm so maladapted to heat, it's ridiculous. Got up early today to do some weeding in the potato patch and prep a new field for the Jerusalem artichokes. loving 10 AM, and I'm sweating like I've run a marathon. 19°C. Tomorrow's gonna be 10 degrees warmer. Good thing that carbon capture plant in Iceland is up and running. Gonna plant som trees for shade tonight, gently caress this.