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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:“west coast offense” Cringe line but if they actually do something in regards to protecting the citizens of the states as well as people coming to visit from extradition or asset seizure by other states agents that will be a good thing, the fact that they at least mentioned it instead of a totally vague "we're pro-choice" is honestly more than I expected so we'll see where it leads.
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the West Coast Offense relies on slants and short passes to RBs so that the defense doesn't have time to properly make reads and get into coverage. you're trying to overwhelm them with little cuts til a big hole opens up and you run for a million yards. what i'm saying is that if they were really trying to run a West Coast Offense then they should have started months/years ago and certainly shouldn't be taking more time to "plan" or "discuss". get out there and file some lawsuits (or whatever, idk)
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America Is Growing Apart, Possibly for Goodquote:It may be time to stop talking about “red” and “blue” America. That’s the provocative conclusion of Michael Podhorzer, a longtime political strategist for labor unions and the chair of the Analyst Institute, a collaborative of progressive groups that studies elections. In a private newsletter that he writes for a small group of activists, Podhorzer recently laid out a detailed case for thinking of the two blocs as fundamentally different nations uneasily sharing the same geographic space. I think the country can probably diverge legally quite a lot state by state or rather bloc by bloc without breaking up. That is how it was set up after all. A breaking point might be something beyond the repeal of national rulings on abortion, gay marriage, etc, but the court striking down state laws. Such as finding all state laws legalizing abortion to be unconstitutional. We're probably a ways out from that though.
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OhFunny posted:America Is Growing Apart, Possibly for Good don’t know what it will be but it will be South Carolina’s fault. It’s always South Carolina.
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OhFunny posted:America Is Growing Apart, Possibly for Good doesn't seem so much "blue state vs. red state" as urban vs. rural/suburban/exurban, and even then the suburbs are (were?) getting bluer
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:doesn't seem so much "blue state vs. red state" as urban vs. rural/suburban/exurban, and even then the suburbs are (were?) getting bluer in texas the legislature is banning municipalities from diverging from state law so there won't be the legal patchwork here like we may see in other states
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:doesn't seem so much "blue state vs. red state" as urban vs. rural/suburban/exurban, and even then the suburbs are (were?) getting bluer Urban-rural divide is meaningless. Power flows from the state capitals and state laws override municipal laws. To add another example to i say swears online's North Carolina in 2015 swept away most local gun control laws. and of course all the state laws that imposed restrictions on abortion access that squeezed clinics in blue cities in red states until they closed.
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yeah the law is like the one topic where red state blue state is the right lens to use, tho i imagine large sparse states will face breakaway regions and militia problems that might make laws not fully enforceable over a states whole territory
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Real hurthling! posted:yeah the law is like the one topic where red state blue state is the right lens to use, tho i imagine large sparse states will face breakaway regions and militia problems that might make laws not fully enforceable over a states whole territory Is this not already the case?
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:“west coast offense” These states? https://www.gov.ca.gov/2020/04/13/california-oregon-washington-announce-western-states-pact posted:California, Oregon & Washington Announce Western States Pact
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OhFunny posted:America Is Growing Apart, Possibly for Good i was just reading The Yankee and Cowboy war + listening to the War Nerd Radio civil war series and was thinking this. there are pretty uniform ruling-class blocs that go back a long ways
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tangy yet delightful posted:Cringe line but if they actually do something in regards to protecting the citizens of the states as well as people coming to visit from extradition or asset seizure by other states agents that will be a good thing, the fact that they at least mentioned it instead of a totally vague "we're pro-choice" is honestly more than I expected so we'll see where it leads. sweet summer child precious babe of the woods someone get this water baby a doctor
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OhFunny posted:America Is Growing Apart, Possibly for Good I don't think we're balking because the red state goons are coming for the blue states/cities after this, with the nexus of fed power+texas making GBS threads up everything it can. Gonna be a reverse Reconstruction with the white surpremacists lording over and systematically dismantlement anything non-hellish in the less-hellish parts of america.
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Ronwayne posted:I don't think we're balking because the red state goons are coming for the blue states/cities after this, with the nexus of fed power+texas making GBS threads up everything it can. Gonna be a reverse Reconstruction with the white surpremacists lording over and systematically dismantlement anything non-hellish in the less-hellish parts of america. Lmao yeah more like reverse Louisiana purchase with the middle being mad max but dumber and the coasts being actual countries
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They're going to use the fed govt, which they control, to do what they want to you. Red states don't stop at red state borders. Yeah, Y'all Qaeda and street fash alone won't do it, but street fash+feds+washington directly loving with blue state governance+Republican president+legislature+SCOTUS implementing chud law all at once is a hard thing to fight off. Look at Texas, where the GOP completely neutralized the blue cities from either influencing the legislature or having their own internal laws that defy chud will. That's probably coming to other states that are turning 'purple'. Ronwayne has issued a correction as of 09:40 on Jun 25, 2022 |
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wake me up when gavin and the dems completely rewrite ca penal code 1547-1558 cause until then gavbot is just lyin
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Sounds like the US Supreme Court is true heroes for destroying AmeriKKKa...? 
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Chamale posted:
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Colorado the mountain fortress.
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Nuclearmonkee posted:Colorado the mountain fortress. Colorado controls a lot of water
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RC Cola posted:Colorado controls a lot of water Only as long as the snow continues to fall.
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From the doomsday econ thread, which states have the most military bases if balkanization happens
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Ronwayne posted:I don't think we're balking because the red state goons are coming for the blue states/cities after this, with the nexus of fed power+texas making GBS threads up everything it can. Gonna be a reverse Reconstruction with the white surpremacists lording over and systematically dismantlement anything non-hellish in the less-hellish parts of america.
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Okay than whatever term is for chuds turning blue states/cities into economic colonies (more than they already are) while terrorizing them. Fascism has to keep attacking by its very nature, once you dispose of all the liberals/leftists/minorities/gay & trans folk locally, and there's a big state nearby which pays the taxes to keep your local hellhole going, well, that giant golden goose is going to look pretty tasty. And this is not even accounting for texas reactionaries in full control of the place having enourmous power on the national stage to throw their dicks around and implement their will in a way that goes far, far beyond its borders. Ronwayne has issued a correction as of 20:02 on Jun 25, 2022 |
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Ronwayne posted:Okay than whatever term is for chuds turning blue states/cities into economic colonies (more than they already are) while terrorizing them. Fascism has to keep attacking by its very nature, once you dispose of all the liberals/leftists/minorities/gay & trans folk locally, and there's a big state nearby which pays the taxes to keep your local hellhole going, well, that giant golden goose is going to look pretty tasty. I feel sentiments like this are a really bad misreading. The reason right wingers in depopulated areas have been able to push through political reforms that most blue states/counties find unpalatable is the same reason elected representatives from those same blue states do basically nothing to oppose it: None of it actually matters unless you are poor, disadvantaged, etc. The moment any of this actually materially impedes your average coastal tech worker, NIMBY local government enjoyer, homeowner, middle manager, working professional, etc., you are going to see a viciousness that has so far been absent because to the people who live in the nation's population centers (and who actually control the economy) this culture war bullshit is just make-believe outrage fodder for fundraising. The neoliberal ownership class will strip the heartland of this country of every resource and annihilate its entire population before they tolerate any threat to their property or way of life. And unlike the larping christian dominionists they actually have the numbers, social, and physical infrastructure to accomplish it.
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I worry they'll find common cause enough in keeping the money train going, and ultimately the rich neo-libs will find more money to be made in concert with chuds than middle class neo-libs. And that's not even getting into how many coastal techworkers are chuds at heart who will go full reactionary the second their privileges are threatened. A horrible feedback loop where chuds making life worse for blue states will cause more blue staters to go mask off and go full chud themselves. Again, Texas is full of tech workers, middle class people etc, who have been completely subsumed by the Texas GOP's will. Either they're chuds themselves or completely stripped of power. Gerrymandered, beaten down, marginalized, atomized. That's going to be the template for the right going forward to break the influence of blue cities. ed: I hope I'm completely wrong, but I went outside to walk around clear my head and stop doom scrolling. I'm right on the border and one of the first things I see outside is the border patrol arresting a dozen migrants and then bored cops keep coming in, from five+ different agencies within a few minutes, there are more cops than immigrants, from BP, sheriffs, highway patrol, etc etc etc that was some poo poo Ronwayne has issued a correction as of 21:22 on Jun 25, 2022 |
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Ronwayne posted:I worry they'll find common cause enough in keeping the money train going, and ultimately the rich neo-libs will find more money to be made in concert with chuds than middle class neo-libs. And that's not even getting into how many coastal techworkers are chuds at heart who will go full reactionary the second their privileges are threatened. A horrible feedback loop where chuds making life worse for blue states will cause more blue staters to go mask off and go full chud themselves. There is a reactionary strain that runs through all liberals (scratch a liberal etc.), but that's exactly what allows things like the repeal of roe to occur in the first place. It's also why migrants at the border get treated like poo poo regardless of who is in power, with the only actual policy tradeoff being "how much 3rd class labor do we need on farms vs. how many refugees from the human catastrophe we've contributed to in latin america are there this year". But the idea that some theocratic yokels are going to start infringing on the behavior & lifestyles of PMCers in California is laughable, as is the idea that the machinery of the MIC is going to be dictated by the same. My point isn't that things aren't getting worse. It's just that all of this is ultimately a continuation of the colonial project turned inwards, and not, for example, 1979 Iran. The human, social, demographic, and material conditions & support for something like the latter just aren't in place in the US, and any attempt at such would fail horribly.
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Ronwayne posted:Again, Texas is full of tech workers, middle class people etc, who have been completely subsumed by the Texas GOP's will. Either they're chuds themselves or completely stripped of power. Gerrymandered, beaten down, marginalized, atomized. That's going to be the template for the right going forward to break the influence of blue cities. This is probably true to some level, but it's important to keep in mind that this is not sustainable, especially for a country as large and populous as the US. All of the things you've listed as being reasons that blue areas will be dominated by the christian fascists' will are also things that will fuel heightened tensions between fascist and non-fascist areas and populations, and those stressors will reach a breaking point.
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I hope so, but the federal security apparatus keeps backing up the chuds when that happens. I'm hoping the christofash run out of political power and reach a breaking point but like. Man, its hard to see victory, or at least, survival with minimal agony, from down inside this current hole, on Jun 25th, 2022. Maybe it'll be easier to see later on.
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Mr Hootington posted:Who tries to actually secede first? probably a west coast blue state because the Senate and supreme court are too in favor of the right
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Mr Hootington posted:Who tries to actually secede first? It's gonna be unexpected. I'm thinking vermont
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Mr Hootington posted:Who tries to actually secede first? It should be California, they get super hosed by basically every aspect of statehood and it's like the 5th largest global economy on its own.
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Mr Hootington posted:Who tries to actually secede first? nobody is going to 'actually' secede in a de jure sense, the inevitable breakdown of connections will just continue apace, accelerating as various systems fail in a stochastic manner under increased pressure both political and material (from climate and disease and global supply chain instability, etc) until at some point people will look back and there will not have been a USA for a very long time
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Mr Hootington posted:Who tries to actually secede first? philadelphia
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