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Sonic Mania was million plus seller, I'm sure it was very successful for Sega. The real reason we don't have a sequel is probably because Christina Whitehead & Evening Star Studio just want to do their own thing.
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Of course I know that Mania was greenlit and worked on by none other than Sega. But I also don't know why Mania 2 or similar hasn't come out in 5 years when it was the best Sonic product to be released in many years. When it comes out and is good then I'll let Sonic come and make me eat those words.
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Jun 24, 2022 22:27
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I blame Sonic for not knowing when to say "no" to a role. Next he's gonna be on reality TV or on his own Netflix special complaining about being canceled for calling Mario a spaghetti-slurping sellout on Twitter.
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Jun 24, 2022 22:35
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:What Sonic really needs is for an eccentric and passionate billionaire to buy up the franchise and spin Sonic Team into its own studio with some measure of sanity applied to its structure and use of talent, and also that billionaire should be me, and me and Izuka will go out drinking together. Elon musk is gonna buy Sonic and make it into an nft game
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Jun 24, 2022 22:35
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Hitlersaurus Christ posted:Sega history Ah, thanks for the details  I usually groan when I see people going "Sega is JEALOUS that the fans made a better game than them!!!" but it was only making that post I remembered that corporate jealousy politics has a long history at Sega, good to hear that's not so much a thing anymore.To continue with "poo poo I half remember", I think when Capcom did a retro revival with Mega Man 9, it sold pretty well but then 10 sold worse because I guess the shine of "new game like game from 20 years ago" wore off for a lot of people and that would be the justification at Sega for no Mania 2? Whether that's a good reason to not make Mania 2 is another question, but it seems more likely than the jealousy angle people run with. Who the gently caress knows really
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Jun 24, 2022 22:36
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Heroic Yoshimitsu posted:Also, thanks to this discussion i realized Sonic Adventure 2 is over 20 years old and it's sucked for every one of them
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Jun 24, 2022 22:57
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Sonic 1 special stages are making me motion sick Are there any trophies for doing them or anything on playstation. Trying to get everything in story mode and no idea if I actually have to or not
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Jun 24, 2022 23:03
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sonic 1's special stages were designed by sickos and perverts
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Jun 24, 2022 23:05
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ThisIsACoolGuy posted:Sonic 1 special stages are making me motion sick No, you don't need to get all the chaos emeralds in Sonic 1. The only related trophy is turning into Super Sonic, so you do need to collect all the emeralds in either Sonic 2 or Sonic 3K. But you can also probably use debug mode to just cheat that trophy.
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Jun 24, 2022 23:09
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Yep, 24 hours, called it: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2824942881&insideModal=1
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Jun 24, 2022 23:18
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Procrastine posted:To continue with "poo poo I half remember", I think when Capcom did a retro revival with Mega Man 9, it sold pretty well but then 10 sold worse because I guess the shine of "new game like game from 20 years ago" wore off for a lot of people and that would be the justification at Sega for no Mania 2? Whether that's a good reason to not make Mania 2 is another question, but it seems more likely than the jealousy angle people run with. Who the gently caress knows really Part of that is MM9/10 being so back to precisely MM2 basics, 10 coming so soon after 9, and MM already having a brand history oversaturation, but tbh yeah I think a Mania 2 would've caught a lot less attention and praise without being something other than a level pack, even a wholly original one.
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Jun 24, 2022 23:29
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This thread is convincing me even more of that "Sega is angry that fans made a game better than their capitalist poo poo pile" narrative, guys, sorry.
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Jun 24, 2022 23:44
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:Yep, 24 hours, called it: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2824942881&insideModal=1 Why the gently caress are we blaming Sega for mj being a child molester? Literally all Sega has to do to justify removing the music is to point at how that loving degenerate's "fans" are reacting to the news. You're free to mod the game as you want, but please stop pretending the king of pop wasn't a loving sex fiend.
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Jun 24, 2022 23:51
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TheNamedSavior posted:This thread is convincing me even more of that "Sega is angry that fans made a game better than their capitalist poo poo pile" narrative, guys, sorry. I also want to note that politics is not just simply "grrrrr if I can't make a good Sonic game then no one else should be able to!". If you're a mediocre game developer and suddenly someone comes in and makes a game good enough to make you look bad, it's your livelihood at stake. You don't even need to be angry to realize that it's in your best interest to support your own team over outsiders, no matter how good they may be.
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TheNamedSavior posted:Why the gently caress are we blaming Sega for mj being a child molester? Who exactly is doing this? All I've seen anyone say is "the MJ tracks are better/the way things were when I played this as a child and I want to play the game with them". That and "The instrumentation on the Origins versions of the replacement tracks is bad" edit: Like I'm sure someone, somewhere is being lovely about this but it feels silly to complain about this hypothetical Online Guy Procrastine fucked around with this message at 00:39 on Jun 25, 2022 |
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Jun 25, 2022 00:20
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TheNamedSavior posted:Why the gently caress are we blaming Sega for mj being a child molester? Literally all Sega has to do to justify removing the music is to point at how that loving degenerate's "fans" are reacting to the news. You're free to mod the game as you want, but please stop pretending the king of pop wasn't a loving sex fiend. we’re not and also that’s probably not the reason the tracks aren’t in the game. music licensing is a shitshow, and exponentially more so when the multi-billion dollar estate of a superstar like mj is involved. they could’ve done a better job with the replacement tracks tho Augus fucked around with this message at 00:45 on Jun 25, 2022 |
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Jun 25, 2022 00:41
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Look I'm just an old man who wants his old timey music back okay
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Hikaki posted:I also want to note that politics is not just simply "grrrrr if I can't make a good Sonic game then no one else should be able to!". If you're a mediocre game developer and suddenly someone comes in and makes a game good enough to make you look bad, it's your livelihood at stake. You don't even need to be angry to realize that it's in your best interest to support your own team over outsiders, no matter how good they may be.
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Trip report: I'm using the mod that puts the good-sounding prototype tracks back in and fixes whatever the gently caress they did to the rest of the music and I'm happy as lawrence also S-ranked all the S3K missions and all but one of the S1 missions. those ex missions are tricky
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Hitlersaurus Christ posted:that’s not how any of this works Again, I'm very happy for you that you work in an industry where this does not happen.
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TheNamedSavior posted:Why the gently caress are we blaming Sega for mj being a child molester? Literally all Sega has to do to justify removing the music is to point at how that loving degenerate's "fans" are reacting to the news. You're free to mod the game as you want, but please stop pretending the king of pop wasn't a loving sex fiend. I've only been made aware of your existence for a couple of weeks and every single post you make in at least 3-4 threads follows this pattern: "EVERYONE IS ANGRY ABOUT [a position that is made up by TheNameSavior] AND REFUSES TO SHUT UP ABOUT IT" then "I REFUSE TO SHUT UP ABOUT [being mad about a hypothetical everyone that is angry about the position that is made up]" Your behaviour is embarrassing and it should be clear at this point video games are not a good outlet for you to release your frustrations at. Consider other activities, save for posting words about video games on the internet.
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All Sega had to do is NOT to gently caress this up. They hosed this up. Stealth is right. Senoue still blows.
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Looking forward to Cybershell doing another gently caress you sega run.
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Hikaki posted:Again, I'm very happy for you that you work in an industry where this does not happen. I’m not saying it never happens, I’m saying that in this situation what you posted doesn’t apply. Nobody’s livelihood is at risk because what amounts to a small budget 2D throwback platformer developed primarily by contractors was better received than what the salaried permanent employees who have been churning this stuff out for decades made. And even if the usual Sonic Team suspects were taken off of the next Sonic project because gamernews.gently caress gave Mania a 5/5 or whatever, they’d just work on another project like Puyo Puyo or Sakura Wars. R&D2 makes more than just Sonic. There’s also this notion that Mania is universally seen as a superior product when there are tons of younger fans who prefer modern Sonic games and will buy whatever he’s in, or casual audiences who don’t have the patience for retro games and would rather watch Sonic go really fast in a straight line and blow up robots in HD. Mania is an immaculately designed game, but it’s also aimed at a specific audience, and that audience isn’t the primary target for Sonic as a franchise.
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Look, all I'm saying is that I can absolutely see politics being a factor in why Sega does what it does. You don't and that's ok. Ultimately, unless either of us have insider info (I don't), we're both just talking out of our asses so we should just stop talking about this.
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So what’s wrong with CD? Just sound mixing issues?
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Negostrike posted:All Sega had to do is NOT to gently caress this up. They hosed this up. Stealth is right. Senoue still blows. Ehh. Game is good.
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I'm sure it would satisfy me as well (not feeling like spending 40 bucks on it though), but it's a shame there's some bullshit going on at Sega, especially with their interactions with Headcannon. Not surprising, of course.
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kinda weird to attribute this to malice as if Sega would never be stupid enough to rush a game to meet an unrealistic deadline or accidentally add more bugs to the remake after it was handed to them
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Relyssa posted:Looking forward to Cybershell doing another gently caress you sega run. The FuckYouSega% run should absolutely be a catagory at a speedrun event where people speedrun the Sonic Forever, Sonic 2 Absolute, CD Restored, and Sonic 3 Air all the while saying "gently caress you, sega" when they jump least they get a time penality.
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Augus posted:kinda weird to attribute this to malice as if Sega would never be stupid enough to rush a game to meet an unrealistic deadline or accidentally add more bugs to the remake after it was handed to them Yeah, 'gently caress it, get it out the door despite the bugs' has been obvious in literally every single Sonic game since the Dreamcast, with the sole exception of Generations, which somehow got polished, and maybe the original Colors. Even Mania had a huge post-release patch that actually finished the game and added all those missing transitions and things.
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TheNamedSavior posted:Why the gently caress are we blaming Sega for mj being a child molester? Literally all Sega has to do to justify removing the music is to point at how that loving degenerate's "fans" are reacting to the news. You're free to mod the game as you want, but please stop pretending the king of pop wasn't a loving sex fiend. Didn't MJ's plastic surgery addiction purportedly start off from when he was performing at a Sega event and his hair caught fire?
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MikeJF posted:Even Mania had a huge post-release patch that actually finished the game and added all those missing transitions and things. Don't forget the Switch version's crash issues either
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Didn't MJ's plastic surgery addiction purportedly start off from when he was performing at a Sega event and his hair caught fire? I dunno if you're taking the piss but it was suppositively '84 and a Pepsi commercial.
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Augus posted:we’re not and also that’s probably not the reason the tracks aren’t in the game. music licensing is a shitshow, and exponentially more so when the multi-billion dollar estate of a superstar like mj is involved. that doesn't really explain it though since the music they used in sonic origins is also by michael jackson
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whaley posted:that doesn't really explain it though since the music they used in sonic origins is also by michael jackson That’s right, he wrote the new invincibility theme
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It's funny how Sonic 2 ends with the bonus mobile cutscene showing the death egg crashing into Angel Island and then the shiny new animated cutscene showing the death egg crashing into Angel Island again.
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hatty posted:So what’s wrong with CD? Just sound mixing issues? I guess it really was a bad future 
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Is it just me or is Sonic 1 not very fun at all? This level design is more infuriating than anything else. Maybe I just haven’t improved in 25 years, IDK.
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Master System Sonic 1 is better than the Genesis one and should be in the collection as a fun bonus
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