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I dunno, I tried to read Stranger in a Strange Land but personally I like books where women are actual people.
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HopperUK posted:I dunno, I tried to read Stranger in a Strange Land but personally I like books where women are actual people. Ah, not a fan of 98% of science fiction I see.
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IShallRiseAgain posted:The Japanese novel Tale of Genji (the first novel ever written) has elements of erotic incest in it. Sure did! But it wasn't anime, which is what the guy claimed was 'ahead of the curve' on erotic incest and influenced all other erotic incest. That is why I came out with an example that predates it (but not too much) and was undoubtedly pro-erotic incest.
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Alhazred posted:The Aeneid is basically state propaganda. So is the illiad and the bible.
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Asterite34 posted:Heinlein seems like one of those scifi writers who was big into looking at hypothetical scenarios in the vein of "what if bad thing was good, actually?" Like Stranger is all about "what circumstances would justify a cannibal sex cult" and Starship Troopers is "what would make militant fascism look like a good idea" Have you ever read him? He loving loved being in the military (between wars, never having seen active duty) and was also definitely a pedophile E: beaten, Heinlein was a terdible author and should be tossed into the dustbin of history Improbable Lobster has a new favorite as of 01:41 on Jun 22, 2022 |
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Yeah, I don't know a lot about Heinlein but I have a really hard time reading Starship Troopers and not assuming that he had a chip on his shoulder about his shortened Navy career.
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You do not, in fact, gotta hand it to Stranger in a Strange land. Book sucks as did the author.
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I would swear that Heinlein only leaned into the military frothing over that book later in life as he realized it was his most successful work. Prior to that he was a drug happy hard-core libertarian.
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Disproportionation posted:My favourite thing in Spider-man ps4 is that he has a police captain buddy that he does missions for and has jokes with and in the dlc she's revealed to be a serial killer I read the spoiler and am still waiting on the twist.
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Henchman of Santa posted:Also Oscorp is behind all those surveillance towers so you know that's gonna come up in the next one. Whenever I play and you get to the part where Peter's all, "Oh no, I am homeless!" all I can think about are all those science stations that Harry built with their air conditioning, comfortable couches and clean running water that he has unlimited access to. Everything but a pot to piss in.
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pentyne posted:I would swear that Heinlein only leaned into the military frothing over that book later in life as he realized it was his most successful work. Prior to that he was a drug happy hard-core libertarian. You'd be surprised how easily there can be overlap, though wouldn't be surprised if he played it up so he could afford more drugs.
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you know maybe zombie movies aren't just popular as murder fantasies but also because not having to go to work and not having a government sounds pretty nice
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pentyne posted:I would swear that Heinlein only leaned into the military frothing over that book later in life as he realized it was his most successful work. Prior to that he was a drug happy hard-core libertarian. Ghost Leviathan posted:You'd be surprised how easily there can be overlap, though wouldn't be surprised if he played it up so he could afford more drugs. I think part of this includes Heinlein being deeply and I mean deeply jealous of his brother who hit General rank IRL Robert Heinlein and Tom Clancy deserve shrines at military recruiting offices & depots like I said in another thread, both those two are responsible for so many bad-idea enlistments and officer candidate school enrollments. Whoever dreamed up the green2gold commissioning scheme deserves a shrine too.
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I am kinda sad Harry Harrison isn't as well known. Drugs to the max, ACAB, antiwar, less misogynistic than most
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Alhazred posted:The Aeneid is basically state propaganda. The_vergil_defender has logged on. No!!! The Aeneid has a very ambivalent view of the Roman state! Its founding is portrayed as a bloody, pointless war started by spiteful gods that involves a bunch of Italian folk heroes getting killed. The poem ends with Aeneas, driven by “unholy fury” (furor impius, an extremely bad concept that directly contradicts Aeneas’ virtues and the English translation understates) executing a surrendering enemy who was also a victim of divine meddling. The claim that the founding of Rome was divinely ordained is repeatedly undermined by the actions of Jupiter himself. And then there is the whole “golden bough” incident, which so famously contradicts the teleological “rome is destiny” narrative that there is a whole book named after it. Remember, Vergil himself was Italian, not Roman. He was grateful to Augustus for bringing peace and serving as a patron, and so there’s several passages of obvious Caesar praise. But the Aeneid is a deep work that reflects a complex view of Rome, not some two-bit work of state propaganda. Edit: no the Iliad is even less state propaganda!!! Why must you do this!!!! What so-called state even allegedly produced the Iliad, which existed as an oral tradition for hundreds of years before being written down by unknown person or persons at an unknown place? Smiling Knight has a new favorite as of 19:40 on Jun 24, 2022 |
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Lol, next you'll be telling us that the marvel movies are not state propaganda.
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Spazzle posted:Lol, next you'll be telling us that the marvel movies are not state propaganda. Har har har, as you certainly know, the context for the creation of a mass market film in a capitalist, modern state is completely different than that of epic poetry in antiquity.
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Captain Monkey posted:You do not, in fact, gotta hand it to Stranger in a Strange land. I read this thing in junior high and it kinda hosed me up and made me feel gross.
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Smiling Knight posted:The_vergil_defender has logged on. Did he really do all that while being the million dollar mans valet?
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hawowanlawow posted:you know maybe zombie movies aren't just popular as murder fantasies but also because not having to go to work and not having a government sounds pretty nice Welcome to the other side comrade There are some lovely zombie fiction because of course it appeals to all kinds and some of those kinds are lovely people, but the merits are equally grand for others too!
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bunnyofdoom posted:I am kinda sad Harry Harrison isn't as well known. Drugs to the max, ACAB, antiwar, less misogynistic than most Harry Harrison was absolutely my jam as a teenager. Deathworld, Slippery Jim DiGriz. Hell, I might have to reread all that now.
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Harrison is funny, I remember as a kid reading his advice on writers block, which was basically don’t put any pressure on yourself and just crank out some garbage you don’t care about the fast as possible. Then sell that as a book. It turns out that after a while as I read his poo poo obsessively I could pretty well tell which ones were made when he had writers block.
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SiKboy posted:Did he really do all that while being the million dollar mans valet? I mean that was pretty much a main means of employment for a lot of prominent Roman in those days. I remember a meme from a while back about how we have records of discussions over the role of parasitus; someone who basically gets room and board in a well-off family's house in return for providing conversation, entertainment, basic services and a willingness to endure humiliation. Basically a professional wacky houseguest.
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Scaramouche posted:Don't forget Bill I will forever love the first Bill book for three things: 1) It's the most anti-war/anti-military service mil-scifi book ever written 2) It has the best depiction of going through boot camp and enlisted life (Marko Kloos's Frontline series is mary-sue bullshit). 3) The infantry sergeant's plan to stay drunk for at least 2 years. quote:The infantry sergeant was a solitary drinker who did not believe in cutting corners. Neither did he believe in dilution or in wasting money on fancy packaging. He had used all of his money to bribe a medical orderly and had obtained two carboys of 99 per cent pure grain alcohol, a drum of glucose and saline solution, a hypodermic needle, and a length of rubber tubing. The ethyl-glucose-saline mixture in carboys had been slung from a rafter over his bunk with the tubing leading to the needle plunged into his arm and taped into place as an intravenous drip. Now he was unmoving, well fed, and completely blind-drunk all the time, and if the metered flow were undisturbed he should stay drunk for two and a half years. The other Bill books aren't as good and suffer a continuous steep decline in quality at book #3.
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Kchama posted:Sure did! But it wasn't anime, which is what the guy claimed was 'ahead of the curve' on erotic incest and influenced all other erotic incest. That is why I came out with an example that predates it (but not too much) and was undoubtedly pro-erotic incest. The thread's mostly moved on, but I was referring to the current state of porn that's filled with step-incest content. That's mostly a recent development, and around 2010 there were a few popular anime centered around incest. Basically, I remember anime spaces going "what the gently caress is with all the incest all of the sudden?" a few years before everyone started saying "why the gently caress is all the porn incest themed?" Maybe the same underlying causes just had a time lag (single child households?), maybe Japanese porn picked it up and that caused the popularity, maybe it's completely unrelated and I just made the connection.
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jackofarcades posted:The thread's mostly moved on, but I was referring to the current state of porn that's filled with step-incest content. That's mostly a recent development, and around 2010 there were a few popular anime centered around incest. Incest porn is weird, because ~5 years ago it was straight up "yeah you're my brother and I'm loving you" but slowly until it was almost 100% shift it went to almost exclusively step-family stuff. I can't tell why, but it seemed like there was some toxicity associated with that as a theme that was making payment providers concerned, possibly even actors who felt it was too much.
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I always thought it was just because of Game of Thrones.
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Henchman of Santa posted:I always thought it was just because of Game of Thrones. Possible! When I look into this stuff, I think nobody has a real answer, so you end up with a bunch of theories. Including that. Perhaps people get bored with normal poo poo so now they need something more deviant, so you get this. And from the production side is that it's REALLY simple. You just say "what are you doing stepbro?" and you go from a standard scene to a "taboo" scene without any trouble. Some other theories: people who are into this stuff are more likely to click on ads or buy premium packages, so it's more profitable despite not being as popular. pentyne posted:Incest porn is weird, because ~5 years ago it was straight up "yeah you're my brother and I'm loving you" but slowly until it was almost 100% shift it went to almost exclusively step-family stuff. I can't tell why, but it seemed like there was some toxicity associated with that as a theme that was making payment providers concerned, possibly even actors who felt it was too much. I think people are trying to walk a fine line here because credit card processors etc are increasingly cracking down on this stuff. Pornhub had to nuke a ton of videos to try to save they're revenue after people complained that they were hosting a bunch of illegal stuff.
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pentyne posted:Incest porn is weird, because ~5 years ago it was straight up "yeah you're my brother and I'm loving you" but slowly until it was almost 100% shift it went to almost exclusively step-family stuff. I can't tell why, but it seemed like there was some toxicity associated with that as a theme that was making payment providers concerned, possibly even actors who felt it was too much. I assumed the "step" angle was because of advertisers not wanting to be associated with "real" incest. Or maybe there are laws against simulated parent/child or sibling incest somewhere? It seems a bit silly since it's all faker than pro wrestling anyway.
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I'd love some academic take on porn trends and consumption, because I thought that for decades it always went the extreme or taboo slowly becoming mainstream saturating th3 marketplace and a new type of extreme/taboo doing the same. The incest stuff is the first time it seems like that was reversed. Example was in the 00s everything was Milfs so they were putting out milf stuff with women in their early 20s like.....what even does that mean anymore? Just any adult woman?
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It means a woman at least halfway to her 19th birthday.
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If haskid = true then milf
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The Moon Monster posted:I assumed the "step" angle was because of advertisers not wanting to be associated with "real" incest. Or maybe there are laws against simulated parent/child or sibling incest somewhere? It seems a bit silly since it's all faker than pro wrestling anyway. It was the payment processors. Only a relative handful of processing companies will do porn at all, and they will cut off any content that's too "extreme".
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Schubalts posted:If haskid = true then milf Milf porn should be the participants getting more and more turned on until they're just about to go at it and then a wailing cry comes over the baby monitor and the mom disappears into the other room for an indeterminate length of time
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CaptainCrunch posted:Harry Harrison was absolutely my jam as a teenager. Deathworld, Slippery Jim DiGriz. The Stainless steel rat series is good. There is a couple of weak ones (SSR joins the circus, SSR sings the blues), but the main ones and the prequels are pretty good. Just found out there's one from 2010 I missed - have to get that one.
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