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taking the viper ultimate as an example, the scroll wheel click looks like a conventional mechanical switch, distinct from the razer-branded optical switches maybe it's optical in a different form factor? as klyith said, they have good reason not to put opticals everywhere in a wireless mouse because they consume power continuously, and the wheel/side clicks don't see as much abuse anyway
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Anyone got a good rec for a mouse in the $60ish range? My razer atheris is turning off randomly for minutes at a time, looking for something similar (portable, not too small, thumb buttons). Build quality I'd want to max out, with bonus points for: - dual-mode bt/dongle - wired charging & use - replaceable dongles
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HolHorsejob posted:Anyone got a good rec for a mouse in the $60ish range? My razer atheris is turning off randomly for minutes at a time, looking for something similar (portable, not too small, thumb buttons). Build quality I'd want to max out, with bonus points for: The orochi v2 seems to have the same shape and dual bt/wireless connectivity. It also fits the price range. It doesn't have wired charging or use. It uses AA or AAA batteries but you can use rechargeable ones. I assume you can probably use any razer dongle for it.
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Jun 25, 2022 23:17
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The Orochi v2 literally was on sale for $28 at Best Buy until like yesterday. I bought two and will probably return one. Even at the full price I think it meets your requirements.
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Jun 25, 2022 23:39
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repiv posted:taking the viper ultimate as an example, the scroll wheel click looks like a conventional mechanical switch, distinct from the razer-branded optical switches I've bought the wired version of the Deathadder. But it would be pretty weird for them to change the internals between the wired and wireless versions and still call it the same thing. And for pretty cheap, at that. HolHorsejob posted:Anyone got a good rec for a mouse in the $60ish range? My razer atheris is turning off randomly for minutes at a time, looking for something similar (portable, not too small, thumb buttons). Build quality I'd want to max out, with bonus points for: Well, I've just bought a Deathadder for $69 (nice).
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Jun 25, 2022 23:47
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K8.0 posted:AFAIK that's not the case on any Razer mouse except I think one version of the Naga maybe. They're all optical switches.  Only left and right buttons are optical. This is trivial to verify if you search reviews. And believe me, the first time someone makes a mouse with all optical switches on extra buttons they'll be screaming "ALL OPTICAL SWITCHES!!!1!" on all their ad copy.
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Good info. I could have sworn I saw Razer post info about it at some point but clearly not. I'm curious how the actual durability of these mice will go then. Certainly doesn't seem to be a failure trend yet, but we'll see.
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Jun 26, 2022 02:14
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That's not great... even if they don't develop issues with left and right click, scroll wheels often die just after the warranty anyway. Doesn't bode as well for the optical ones as I thought.
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Jun 26, 2022 02:47
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Weird, do you play games where you middle click a ton? I think I remember the wheel button on my MX1000 got kinda mushy and bad, like it would still register but there was no feedback so it was unpleasant. Never had the wheel or side-buttons break on more modern mice. Only main buttons. And I'm the guy who laboriously opens up the L&R microswitches to clean the tiny contacts to get as many years as possible from his mice!
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Jun 26, 2022 03:07
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Klyith posted:Weird, do you play games where you middle click a ton? I dunno about anybody else, and I don't have a dog in this fight, but I use mouseclick EXTENSIVELY when playing PoE and its alikes as my move-only button. poo poo gets a massive workout.
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Jun 26, 2022 09:43
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Klyith posted:Weird, do you play games where you middle click a ton?  Do you not use a web browser? Do you not open tabs? Do you laboriously RMB -> Open In New Tab every time? Or do you have a separate nongaming mouse that you switch to when you're not gaming?
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Jun 26, 2022 10:11
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Hyperlynx posted:
The wheel is such a bad button that on my old mouse I set a search-button as a middle click. Biggest reason why I used the MX620 for ages. Since no one seems to make a suitable replacement, nowadays I mostly use Ctrl+left click for new tabs.
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Jun 26, 2022 11:35
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Hyperlynx posted:
TIL you can middle clock and open a new tab directly
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SalTheBard posted:TIL you can middle clock and open a new tab directly Well, I was going to be all astonished at this, but I just learned you can ctrl+click too... That's pretty much why I wanted a working middle click: opening tabs, and starting that scroll-by-moving-the-mouse thing. I don't really have my middle click bound to anything important ingame. Though I do use it to toggle the minimap size in planetside 2
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Jun 26, 2022 13:00
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Hyperlynx posted:
Sure, but middle-clicking new tabs in a browser is nothing. That's not generating more than a click or two per minute, and on average way less. A couple hundred clicks per day is not gonna wear out a decent switch in any reasonable time. If you've had a couple middle-buttons breaking just from normal use, I'd say you've had a couple mice that were coincidentally defective. (Or, I dunno, do you repeatedly middle-click to turn the auto-scroll on and off while reading? I sometimes start OCD selecting text while reading web pages so I could see that being a habit.) Saukkis posted:Biggest reason why I used the MX620 for ages. Hey, I had one of those too! Great mouse, shame that they used the type of rubberized plastic that turns into goo after a few years.
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Jun 26, 2022 13:35
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I used middle click to close tabs, but for some reason it never dawned on me that you could middle click to open tabs too.
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Jun 26, 2022 13:36
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I don't like clicking MMB too much, a remnant from back when clicking mouse wheels was awful, so for browsing I either use ctrl-click or "RMB, click top context menu option for new tab". Thankfully the browser I'm using now has an easy way to edit the menus, so I can make sure new tab is on top, even if browser devs decide they're going to "optimize" the menus for me and move something else up there  The Logitech MX Anywhere I use for my notebook for years is weird anyway, MMB has to be mapped to a distinct button (I think the default function was task switch) above/behind the mousewheel because clicking the wheel just toggles freespin mode on and off.
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Jun 26, 2022 14:01
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SalTheBard posted:I used middle click to close tabs, but for some reason it never dawned on me that you could middle click to open tabs too. Well, I didn't know that you can use middle click to close them. I used middle click to open them for 2 decades now.
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I never use those DPI buttons anyway, so I made the top one "close current tab" and the bottom one "scroll to top". Gotta make full use of all the buttons on this $100 mouse! I keep forgetting about the bottom one though. I'll probably replace it with something like the Snip & Sketch hotkey (windows + shift + s) if I ever reinstall Razer's software. Mierenneuker fucked around with this message at 15:39 on Jun 26, 2022 |
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Klyith posted:Sure, but middle-clicking new tabs in a browser is nothing. That's not generating more than a click or two per minute, and on average way less. A couple hundred clicks per day is not gonna wear out a decent switch in any reasonable time. I middle click to open and close tabs, middle click to scroll a lot (the wheel is my least used method of navigation, middle click and my pageup/pagedown binds do almost all the work). I wouldn't say it gets as much total usage as left/right click because of games, but I will say I've had at least as many mice fail for middle click as anything else. I think it's probably more vulnerable because it's more exposed than the other switches being only a bit to the side of an opening, and also it's in what is probably a more physically abusive configuration than most mice, which have a LOT of meat to stop overtravel on the main buttons but not so much protection on the wheel.
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Yeah, I used to use left/right click drastically more than middle when I actually had time for my game backlog, but that was years ago. These days middle click gets nearly as much use as the others due to primarily using my computer for browsing and work. I can't believe some of you guys don't use middle click for tab control and scrolling...
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A lot of people use midclick for camera anchor in MOBAs and similar games, which makes it one of the most-used buttons
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Jun 26, 2022 18:16
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K8.0 posted:I middle click to open and close tabs, middle click to scroll a lot (the wheel is my least used method of navigation, middle click and my pageup/pagedown binds do almost all the work). I wouldn't say it gets as much total usage as left/right click because of games, but I will say I've had at least as many mice fail for middle click as anything else. I think it's probably more vulnerable because it's more exposed than the other switches being only a bit to the side of an opening, and also it's in what is probably a more physically abusive configuration than most mice, which have a LOT of meat to stop overtravel on the main buttons but not so much protection on the wheel. There is something to that. Also there are a poo poo-ton of variations in what type of switch gets used for the middle button and how it's physically rigged up. The mice I've been using for a long time are the logitech ones with side-wheel action, those have a sort of caddy for the wheel and the m-button switch gets pressed by a bit of the plastic caddy. That moves the switch away from the wheel hole, but the tiny SMD button is probably vulnerable to too much force. The common thing right now seems to be putting the wheel axle directly over a medium-size microswitch. Those have a sturdy enough shell to prevent over-travel, but the positioning is probably bad for dirt. Anything on the axle is just gonna be wiped onto the switch top. Also the switch is doing 100% of the feedback rather than a separate spring. Mierenneuker posted:I never use those DPI buttons anyway, so I made the top one "close current tab" and the bottom one "scroll to top". Gotta make full use of all the buttons on this $100 mouse! For productivity, my #1 tip for an extra mouse button continues to be switching virtual desktops. It is so fetch.
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Klyith posted:For productivity, my #1 tip for an extra mouse button continues to be switching virtual desktops. It is so fetch. They took away my 2nd screen because a new guy started who's in the office more than me and apparently earlier this year it was impossible to get the proper 24 or 27 inch office models for him in time. So I had to set a virtual desktop for my usual engineering workflow from home (for some reason the Intel iGPU driver refuses to run it at 1200p like the actual monitor but whatever) and I never even thought of using my mouse to switch them 
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Which razer program actually fucks with the settings on my mouse? There's two installed (cortex? synapse?) and neither one actually handles things like the mouse LED or settings
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I've been using a glass mousepad for a few days in an effort to not have to have a cloth mousepad, which degrades and gets dirty and is gross. The idea of being able to just windex my mousepad is super attractive. Notes: • If you have lovely and dirty mouse feet, it's gonna suck. If you want a lot of friction, it's probably gonna suck. The only mouse I've really liked on it has clean PTFE feet on it. • If you have PTFE feet and want a really smooth, consistent and light drag, it's pretty wonderful. • The texture is hard to describe. My glass desk renders my mouse somewhat sticky. This Mousepad is super low friction by comparison. Overall, I really like it, but I feel like this pad will exaggerate 'bad' mice feet.
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HolHorsejob posted:Which razer program actually fucks with the settings on my mouse? There's two installed (cortex? synapse?) and neither one actually handles things like the mouse LED or settings Synapse is the one that does that stuff. Bindings are under customize, RGB is under lighting. Both of them are tumors but Cortex is a really aggressive cancer so get rid of it ASAP.
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Klyith posted:Sure, but middle-clicking new tabs in a browser is nothing. That's not generating more than a click or two per minute, and on average way less. A couple hundred clicks per day is not gonna wear out a decent switch in any reasonable time. That's fair.
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Canine Blues Arooo posted:I've been using a glass mousepad for a few days in an effort to not have to have a cloth mousepad, which degrades and gets dirty and is gross. The idea of being able to just windex my mousepad is super attractive. Which one did you buy? I'm slightly interested in getting one.
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MarcusSA posted:Which one did you buy? I'm slightly interested in getting one. Skypad 3.0 XL. The XL is pretty huge - they have dimensions on their website.
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I am surprised nobody has come out with a mousepad that works like an air hockey table for a nigh frictionless experience
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You think that's pretty huge? This is a large mouse pad.
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Canine Blues Arooo posted:Overall, I really like it, but I feel like this pad will exaggerate 'bad' mice feet. It's also gonna wear through the feet a lot faster. Glass is harder than PTFE. My desktop is a formica laminate with a light surface texture. (Formica is made from a *very* hard and durable resin.) Quite some time ago I used no mousepad, just the desk, and it's probably pretty similar to a glass mousepad. I'd bet the texture is similar to lightly-frosted glass. It works really well -- very slick when clean and excellent tracking. And, of course, it's the size of the whole desk. My observed downsides: * had to clean it super often. I kept a bottle of rubbing alcohol on my desk. (I'd also pick that over windex on glass as well -- alcohol is good at removing hand oils, and the odor goes away faster.) * wore through mouse feet. * the big footpads on modern mice, they can get tiny grit trapped between the pad and the surface. To me this was worse than fingernails on chalkboard. with an older mouse with old-school small oval feet, this didn't really happen. Back when I played competitive games I took the tradeoff, and just did a wipedown before gaming. edit: if you want an 8' x 4' mousepad for just $100, I highly recommend it! Klyith fucked around with this message at 03:06 on Jun 27, 2022 |
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can't beat a leather mousepad (https://www.ableather.com.au/collections/corporate-range/products/premium-leather-mouse-pad) just don't condition it with any product containing beeswax - the friction of the mouse over time makes the wax come to the surface and reduce friction. Don't condition it at all in fact.
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As someone with a glass desk, a glass mousepad sounds like a real bad idea. It’s gonna get grimy and fingerprinty real quick, and there’s nothing you can do about it, short of wearing gloves. The only reason I haven’t gotten rid of my glass desk is because I can’t find a way to get it out the bedroom door. Glass bad.
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Vegetable posted:As someone with a glass desk, a glass mousepad sounds like a real bad idea. It’s gonna get grimy and fingerprinty real quick, and there’s nothing you can do about it, short of wearing gloves. The only reason I haven’t gotten rid of my glass desk is because I can’t find a way to get it out the bedroom door. Glass bad. Oh, I hard disagree. I've had a glass desk since 2006~ and will never go back. I can't say it gets that finger print-y, but the actual killer feature of glass is that it's totally trivial to clean and damaging them is very difficulty unless you are actively asking for scratches. Glass everything, please!
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K8.0 posted:You think that's pretty huge? This is a large mouse pad. I'll one up you (I have this one for my desk) XL Mouse Pads - (Black, 4XL (60'' x 30'')) https://a.co/d/5ap75Jh
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Vegetable posted:As someone with a glass desk, a glass mousepad sounds like a real bad idea. It’s gonna get grimy and fingerprinty real quick, and there’s nothing you can do about it, short of wearing gloves. The only reason I haven’t gotten rid of my glass desk is because I can’t find a way to get it out the bedroom door. Glass bad. The surface and texture are different enough that it's not a grime or fingerprint magnet. Just wiping it down once in a while keeps it clean too.
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This mouse is hard to get used to. I keep right clicking when I don't mean to, just from moving the mouse. ...which I'm apparently doing with two fingers on the rmb. That probably has something to do with it. I think maybe this thing really wants to be claw-gripped, when I guess I'm more of a palm-gripper (?)
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Canine Blues Arooo posted:Oh, I hard disagree. I've had a glass desk since 2006~ and will never go back. I can't say it gets that finger print-y, but the actual killer feature of glass is that it's totally trivial to clean and damaging them is very difficulty unless you are actively asking for scratches. My experience with glass desks is the opposite, scratches just show up over time and they're really visible with no easy fix. If you ever have to move it's easy to get an accidental chip on an edge as well. Cleaning is easy but I hate how obvious the fingerprints are, I feel like I'm constantly wiping things down like on my phone. I also wanted to put a monitor arm on my desk but had to give up that idea because there was no safe way to mount one. Worst case scenario is spontaneous shattering, leaving you a room full of glass shards to clean up and possibly damaging anything you had on the desk. A goon in the desk thread had that happen a few months ago and posted a pic. Glass mousepads are fine though, it's relatively small and your fingers probably aren't contacting the surface much if at all. It's also not going to be load bearing for your valuable electronics.
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