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Hobo
Dec 12, 2007

Forum bum
Which unions still affiliate with Labour now? I imagine a few will be reconsidering that even more strongly now.

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big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

-~Skullwave~-
https://labour.org.uk/people/unions/

Unite and Unison are the big ones I suppose. I'm pretty sure Unite has reduced their funding already and were making noise about reducing it more. And yeah, if shadow ministers are going on TV and saying "it's party policy not to support unions" you have to imagine there are going to be consequences from the unions.

Wonder if he'd have said the same things if it was (Labour-affiliated train driver's union) ASLEF rather than RMT striking.

Eddy-Baby
Mar 8, 2006

₤₤LOADSA MONAY₤₤
I finally took the big step and cancelled my direct debit, god bless

:sever:

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear
SEND IN THE ARMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :derp:

https://twitter.com/CerdynJones/status/1540989229811073025

notaspy
Mar 22, 2009

Labour supports labour rights apart from the right to strike, simple as

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

Eddy-Baby posted:

I finally took the big step and cancelled my direct debit, god bless

:sever:

One of us

Seriously, though, good for you. They don't deserve your money.

WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

Send in the military because these people don't want to work.

Man I can't see this going awfully or becoming precident

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010

Hobo posted:

This is astoundingly stupid even by current Labour standards - what’s the point of a Labour government that doesn’t even support a labour strike that is supported by the majority of the public?

Personally I think this current form of Labour are so shell shocked by Corbyn still that they refuse to present even the barest of kayfabe towards progress. They are the Jobber who acknowledges that they are jobbers. No pretence of trying to win, just there to make the Tories look good.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Plus all of Corbyn's most popular policies (especially the domestic economic ones) are hated by the press and their big backers as socialism, and being a bunch of PR managers they haven't figured out that when the bosses' papers are calling you terrible that's usually a good thing, so they're trying to walk the tightrope of things that are actually popular with the public and things that the press likes, which is gently caress all.

BalloonFish
Jun 30, 2013



Fun Shoe

WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:

Send in the military because these people don't want to work.

Man I can't see this going awfully or becoming precident

Even allowing for the fact that she almost certainly meant the "use the Army to do the jobs the striking workers" sort of strikebreaking rather than "send in the squaddies and armoured cars to shoot people on picket lines" sort of strikebreaking:

Why do people - British libs especially - think that the Army is a sort of Marvel Avengers-like pool of people trained to do anything, just waiting to spring into action? Do they seriously think that a load of kids in camo can rock up and run a signalling centre, service a train or manage a major railway station?

For added hubris, the Army hasn't had any units trained in railway operations since 2014 when the last TA Railway Troop (probably mostly formed by people now on strike...) was disbanded by the Con-Lib coalition due to budget cuts. The last regular unit of the Royal Logistics Corp specialising in rail transport was dissolved following the 2010 defence review.

If you want hundreds of service people trained in specific skills to help break strikes you gotta pay for them, fellas.

Hobo
Dec 12, 2007

Forum bum

BalloonFish posted:

Even allowing for the fact that she almost certainly meant the "use the Army to do the jobs the striking workers" sort of strikebreaking rather than "send in the squaddies and armoured cars to shoot people on picket lines" sort of strikebreaking:

Why do people - British libs especially - think that the Army is a sort of Marvel Avengers-like pool of people trained to do anything, just waiting to spring into action? Do they seriously think that a load of kids in camo can rock up and run a signalling centre, service a train or manage a major railway station?

For added hubris, the Army hasn't had any units trained in railway operations since 2014 when the last TA Railway Troop (probably mostly formed by people now on strike...) was disbanded by the Con-Lib coalition due to budget cuts. The last regular unit of the Royal Logistics Corp specialising in rail transport was dissolved following the 2010 defence review.

If you want hundreds of service people trained in specific skills to help break strikes you gotta pay for them, fellas.

Guess a combination of imported US military fawning and the 2012 Olympics “we have to get the army in the run it” event when G4S hosed it.

jaete
Jun 21, 2009


Nap Ghost
Morning friends, another silly query for y'all re: how to live:

So me and girlfriend live in London and would like to move to a larger place also in London (so have to be some less central area). While there's loads of places available to rent and we got decent piles of cash money, some questions:

1) Last year when the gas prices started going up I got a "fixed for two years" gas tariff, but I think that account would have to be closed and a new one opened for the new place. Is there any way to ensure that when winter arrives we wouldn't have to suddenly pay £500/month for basic heating or some ridiculous poo poo like that? Apparently there used to be like price caps and stuff, but of course the government deleted all that, being cunts.

Do we just need to move to a place which has actual insulation (note: this is difficult since no such place exists in this entire accursed country) or uh what the heck?

2) Similar question regarding GP (and hospitals I guess). Right now where we are it's actually quite easy to get GP appointments, have been to nearby hospital a few times as well and that's also good at least for milder stuff like X-rays. How do I figure out if hypothetical new place has decent, non-overloaded GPs in the area? For example, the NHS website has this search (random London postcode as example) and there are reviews, but I don't think there's much info there on current booking times and whatnot.

We're in the lucky position of being wealthy and healthy enough to move but trying to figure out how to keep both these conditions from deteriorating.

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

jaete posted:

Morning friends, another silly query for y'all re: how to live:

So me and girlfriend live in London and would like to move to a larger place also in London (so have to be some less central area). While there's loads of places available to rent and we got decent piles of cash money, some questions:

1) Last year when the gas prices started going up I got a "fixed for two years" gas tariff, but I think that account would have to be closed and a new one opened for the new place. Is there any way to ensure that when winter arrives we wouldn't have to suddenly pay £500/month for basic heating or some ridiculous poo poo like that? Apparently there used to be like price caps and stuff, but of course the government deleted all that, being cunts.

Do we just need to move to a place which has actual insulation (note: this is difficult since no such place exists in this entire accursed country) or uh what the heck?

2) Similar question regarding GP (and hospitals I guess). Right now where we are it's actually quite easy to get GP appointments, have been to nearby hospital a few times as well and that's also good at least for milder stuff like X-rays. How do I figure out if hypothetical new place has decent, non-overloaded GPs in the area? For example, the NHS website has this search (random London postcode as example) and there are reviews, but I don't think there's much info there on current booking times and whatnot.

We're in the lucky position of being wealthy and healthy enough to move but trying to figure out how to keep both these conditions from deteriorating.

No idea re tariffs.
Re GPs best to join local facebook groups for areas you're interested in and simply ask the question (no need to say you're new to the area, just that you find you need to change GP). Obviously, any comments will reflect peoples' personal experiences. Some will praise and others drat the same practices.

Brendan Rodgers
Jun 11, 2014




Hobo posted:

This is astoundingly stupid even by current Labour standards - what’s the point of a Labour government that doesn’t even support a labour strike that is supported by the majority of the public?

It's an op. That doesn't mean it's a big overarching conspiracy with some singular meeting of cackling toffs. It's just small individual acts of class war forming a greater whole because the upper classes are all pulling in the same direction unlike us

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.

jaete posted:

Right now where we are it's actually quite easy to get GP appointments,

You currently live inside a goose laying golden eggs and moving to any other goose will almost certainly mean a goose that just shits poo from a goose butt

Lungboy
Aug 23, 2002

NEED SQUAT FORM HELP
https://twitter.com/schwitzyoo/status/1540992801055334402?s=21&t=BXECc5agHxRKhkq0Cr0BBQ

Danger - Octopus!
Apr 20, 2008


Nap Ghost

jaete posted:

2) Similar question regarding GP (and hospitals I guess). Right now where we are it's actually quite easy to get GP appointments, have been to nearby hospital a few times as well and that's also good at least for milder stuff like X-rays. How do I figure out if hypothetical new place has decent, non-overloaded GPs in the area? For example, the NHS website has this search (random London postcode as example) and there are reviews, but I don't think there's much info there on current booking times and whatnot.


Have a look at the websites of GP surgeries in prospective areas. The more restrictive/limited processes for new registrants are, and the bigger the warnings about appointment length, the more overloaded the area probably is.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010

I genuinely don't get people who can look past this. I get that you can think it's fine to trick people to don't respect, but how do you believe they won't just do the exact same thing to you?

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)
Seeing Olivia Rodrigo at Glastonbury covering 'Complicated' by Avril Lavigne and realising that that song's basically classical music to her and her generation made me feel properly :corsair: lol

Been really enjoying listening to it all, though. Seems there're some pretty great and solidarity-inflected vibes going on. And a lot of rage about what's going in America atm.

Barry Foster fucked around with this message at 18:05 on Jun 26, 2022

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018
I appreciated Phoebe Bridgers statement of "gently caress America" and getting a chant of ",gently caress the Supreme Court" going

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

Failed Imagineer posted:

I appreciated Phoebe Bridgers statement of "gently caress America" and getting a chant of ",gently caress the Supreme Court" going

Yeah, that was banging. Her last song of that set was loving primal as well.

Olivia Rodrigo also got Lily Allen out to do a 'gently caress U' and called every one of the fuckers out by name and said "we hate you", to a rapturous response from the crowd.

The kids are alright, straight up

The Wicked ZOGA
Jan 27, 2022
Probation
Can't post for 5 days!
It sounds horrible but I wish I could stop caring about the US because a. it doesn't affect me (...yet?) b. there's nothing I can do about it and c. there are many grave injustices happening all around the world at any time that I don't hear about or give any thought to.

The whole thing just makes me depressed and that's clearly not very useful.

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

The Wicked ZOGA posted:

It sounds horrible but I wish I could stop caring about the US because a. it doesn't affect me (...yet?) b. there's nothing I can do about it and c. there are many grave injustices happening all around the world at any time that I don't hear about or give any thought to.

The whole thing just makes me depressed and that's clearly not very useful.

On the other hand, it's a good reminder that you still give a poo poo and care about other people

which is something a depressingly large amount of people can't really say

but take time out from time to time, for sure.

DesperateDan
Dec 10, 2005

Where's my cow?

Is that my cow?

No it isn't, but it still tramples my bloody lavender.

The Wicked ZOGA posted:

It sounds horrible but I wish I could stop caring about the US because a. it doesn't affect me (...yet?) b. there's nothing I can do about it and c. there are many grave injustices happening all around the world at any time that I don't hear about or give any thought to.

The whole thing just makes me depressed and that's clearly not very useful.

when it goes the other way and you get too hypernormalised you start wishing in a very strange way for more complex feelings like that back rather than just constant inchoate, primal rage mixed 50/50 with mind numbing fear, with a healthy sprinkling of cowardice and guilt for not doing anything useful about it even though you know the only useful thing left now is [redacted on legal grounds]


make sure you vote though

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

DesperateDan posted:

when it goes the other way and you get too hypernormalised you start wishing in a very strange way for more complex feelings like that back rather than just constant inchoate, primal rage mixed 50/50 with mind numbing fear, with a healthy sprinkling of cowardice and guilt for not doing anything useful about it even though you know the only useful thing left now is [redacted on legal grounds]


make sure you vote though

This This This

Bacon Terrorist
May 7, 2010

to ride eternal, shiny and chrome

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2022

BalloonFish posted:

Even allowing for the fact that she almost certainly meant the "use the Army to do the jobs the striking workers" sort of strikebreaking rather than "send in the squaddies and armoured cars to shoot people on picket lines" sort of strikebreaking:

Why do people - British libs especially - think that the Army is a sort of Marvel Avengers-like pool of people trained to do anything, just waiting to spring into action? Do they seriously think that a load of kids in camo can rock up and run a signalling centre, service a train or manage a major railway station?

For added hubris, the Army hasn't had any units trained in railway operations since 2014 when the last TA Railway Troop (probably mostly formed by people now on strike...) was disbanded by the Con-Lib coalition due to budget cuts. The last regular unit of the Royal Logistics Corp specialising in rail transport was dissolved following the 2010 defence review.

If you want hundreds of service people trained in specific skills to help break strikes you gotta pay for them, fellas.

Never mind the last send in the army cry regarding backfilling council and civil service roles that were understaffed after Brexit had senior officers concerned due to the standard of literacy and numeracy the average squaddie has, not like those are important when you are running a railway :allears:

Josef bugman
Nov 17, 2011

Pictured: Poster prepares to celebrate Holy Communion (probablY)

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Bacon Terrorist posted:

Never mind the last send in the army cry regarding backfilling council and civil service roles that were understaffed after Brexit had senior officers concerned due to the standard of literacy and numeracy the average squaddie has, not like those are important when you are running a railway :allears:

They still think we are the USA, and not a small nation.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018
https://twitter.com/milkgapes/status/1537820374074855425?t=laWrwDiqbHPaeqRLBP_zEg&s=19

Gyro Zeppeli
Jul 19, 2012

sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

Bacon Terrorist posted:

Never mind the last send in the army cry regarding backfilling council and civil service roles that were understaffed after Brexit had senior officers concerned due to the standard of literacy and numeracy the average squaddie has, not like those are important when you are running a railway :allears:

Every time I hear the "send the army to do <x job>!" I'm reminded of the fact that an actual majority of enlisted squaddies have a reading age of lower than 12.

So any job filled by them, you have worse odds than a coin flip that the person filling that role will be functionally illiterate.

Gyro Zeppeli fucked around with this message at 20:04 on Jun 26, 2022

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Come out ye cream & chives

The Wicked ZOGA
Jan 27, 2022
Probation
Can't post for 5 days!

Guavanaut posted:

Come out ye cream & chives

lol

and by that I mean I actually did laugh out loud

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

DesperateDan posted:

when it goes the other way and you get too hypernormalised you start wishing in a very strange way for more complex feelings like that back rather than just constant inchoate, primal rage mixed 50/50 with mind numbing fear, with a healthy sprinkling of cowardice and guilt for not doing anything useful about it even though you know the only useful thing left now is [redacted on legal grounds]


make sure you vote though

:same:

The cute thread helps a bit though:

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

One of the greatest moments in politics in living history

Small Strange Bird
Sep 22, 2006

Merci, chaton!
So on the same day that David Lammy condemned the BA workers for asking for a 10% pay rise*, PriceWaterhouseCooper gives its employees a 9% pay rise. If only the BA workers had asked for 1% less, maybe the Labour Party would have supported them!

*Technically they want their pandemic 10% pay cut reversed, but good luck expecting Lammy and his ilk to mention that.

Josef bugman
Nov 17, 2011

Pictured: Poster prepares to celebrate Holy Communion (probablY)

This avatar made possible by a gift from the Religionthread Posters Relief Fund

ULTRAVIOLENCE

jaete
Jun 21, 2009


Nap Ghost

Danger - Octopus! posted:

Have a look at the websites of GP surgeries in prospective areas. The more restrictive/limited processes for new registrants are, and the bigger the warnings about appointment length, the more overloaded the area probably is.

Yeah, the reviews on the NHS official GP surgery list are actually fairly useful as well. Many of them seem to mention things like "can't get appointment"; of course if some place doesn't have reviews that mention that, that doesn't mean it's actually fine. :v:

Unsurprisingly some postcodes have more GP surgeries available nearby than others. But I'm not sure what the catchment areas are like. Does that vary by surgery? If I register for something that's say 1 mile away rather than 0.5 miles away, I guess they might tell me nope I need to use the nearer one? Hmm. (For reference, current living place has 21 GP surgeries within 1 mile, and 10 within half a mile; if I had to guess I'd say any of the half-mile ones would probably be fine... maybe, but not the ones further away)

Relatedly, is there any way of seeing the catchment areas of London hospitals?

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

https://twitter.com/TelePolitics/status/1541084380604600322

Red Oktober
May 24, 2006

wiggly eyes!



jaete posted:

Unsurprisingly some postcodes have more GP surgeries available nearby than others. But I'm not sure what the catchment areas are like. Does that vary by surgery? If I register for something that's say 1 mile away rather than 0.5 miles away, I guess they might tell me nope I need to use the nearer one? Hmm. (For reference, current living place has 21 GP surgeries within 1 mile, and 10 within half a mile; if I had to guess I'd say any of the half-mile ones would probably be fine... maybe, but not the ones further away)


It's not even that simple - I (in London) live two roads away from one surgery, but I'm not in the catchment area (its catchment area doesn't have it in the centre, but near one edge) so my nearest GP I can actually register at is 30mins walk away. Not ideal for someone who has a regular appointment there.

WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes


Lol how long is it gonna be before the UK is like Israel and there's literally a GE every 3 months

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crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear
luv 2 break international law

steel, NI protocol, who gaf!!! :nyd:

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