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Wong allowed Westview to happen and the events of NWH to happen. My theory? I think Wong’s a skrull.
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Jun 26, 2022 16:43
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Valve Steam Deck posted:Can skrulls do magic? Magic seems to be a skill anyone can learn, rather than something innate, so there's no reason why not.
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Jun 26, 2022 16:55
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well why not posted:Black Panther finale is one of the shittiest things I’ve ever seen in a tent pole movie It's literally worse Phantom Menace finale.
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Jun 26, 2022 18:58
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Everyone's mad at Wong for not being a micromanager.
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Jun 26, 2022 19:07
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Man of Steel Superman discourse, but for Wong.
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Jun 26, 2022 19:10
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Heavy is the head that wears the crown.
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Jun 26, 2022 19:18
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sebmojo posted:I just watched ragnarok and Infinity war again and drat i love this marvel poo poo, it's just a good time I'm clicking probe but nothing's happening!
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Jun 26, 2022 19:30
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I wonder how Wong feels about his path to being the Sorcerer Supreme. He was put in charge of the library under the Ancient One while other wizards ran their own sanctuary. Then, one day, they're all dead at the hands of Kaecilius. So when the Ancient One and Dr. Strange die/get snapped, he's suddenly in charge. Had he aspired to the position? Did he resent the people who had risen to power over him? Was he grateful that they carried that burden? How do the deaths that led him to power sit with him?
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Jun 26, 2022 19:34
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LesterGroans posted:It's literally worse Phantom Menace finale. so are the climaxes of many films, that's hardly a mark against it
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Jun 26, 2022 19:40
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Roth posted:I'm clicking probe but nothing's happening! 
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Jun 26, 2022 20:22
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live with fruit posted:Everyone's mad at Wong for not being a micromanager. Since Wandavision (first media post-Endgame when he was made Sorcerer Supreme) he has let several multiversal threats loose, let Wanda magically colonize a town, did nothing to stop an Evil Dragon from breaching into the world, let a bunch of Egyptian Gods gently caress with the night sky and fight through Giza, and, most frustratingly, let a student sacrifice herself to protect knowledge he IMMEDIATELY gave up. You know what he did do? Run a sports betting racket in Madripoor with Abomination.
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Jun 26, 2022 20:31
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Sandwolf posted:Since Wandavision (first media post-Endgame when he was made Sorcerer Supreme) he has let several multiversal threats loose, let Wanda magically colonize a town, did nothing to stop an Evil Dragon from breaching into the world, let a bunch of Egyptian Gods gently caress with the night sky and fight through Giza, and, most frustratingly, let a student sacrifice herself to protect knowledge he IMMEDIATELY gave up. Does the Sorcerer Supreme have dominion over gods? If so, does that make him Black Panther's ultimate boss? And besides the dragon, which didn't happen on Earth, the rest happened under Strange's watch and Wong inherited Strange. The real issue is the Ancient One and her dark dimension-riddled brain giving Strange so much responsibility.
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Jun 26, 2022 20:36
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jfc how many of these movies have come out in just the past year
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live with fruit posted:Does the Sorcerer Supreme have dominion over gods? If so, does that make him Black Panther's ultimate boss? My post was mostly a joke just cuz I think it’s funny that Wong would rather make a buck with a back alley fight club rather than handle the very legitimate threats that keep cropping up. But also, everything I just said is post-Endgame, and we know Wong inherited the position when Strange got snapped, so it was all his jurisdiction.
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Jun 26, 2022 20:40
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Dr. Strange was never the Sorcerer Supreme. He was a candidate and he was the protector for the Sanctum Sanctorum, but after the Ancient One died, the position was left open and when Strange got snapped away, Wong got the title.
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2house2fly posted:jfc how many of these movies have come out in just the past year 1 this year and 3 last year, theatrically.
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Wandavision and Loki were series, dunno if that counts
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Sandwolf posted:Since Wandavision (first media post-Endgame when he was made Sorcerer Supreme) he has let several multiversal threats loose, let Wanda magically colonize a town, did nothing to stop an Evil Dragon from breaching into the world, let a bunch of Egyptian Gods gently caress with the night sky and fight through Giza, and, most frustratingly, let a student sacrifice herself to protect knowledge he IMMEDIATELY gave up. Otoh, his actions reintroduced Abomination into the MCU. I loving love Abomination, so Wong is A-OK in my book.
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The_Doctor posted:Magic seems to be a skill anyone can learn, rather than something innate, so there's no reason why not. At the end of GotG2 there was a gleep-glop who was doing Strange’s magic circle hand things.
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Seldom Posts posted:In the stoned/hat taxonomy of Marvel films, Shang Chi should have been more hat and less stoned. I don't know what this means but I am intrigued. well why not posted:Black Panther finale is one of the shittiest things I’ve ever seen in a tent pole movie This really cannot be said enough. It was contorted into that shape that MCU climaxes usually do. You know the kind that makes sure everyone has something to do, no matter how much it damages the energy and momentum of the overall film. Plus, the individual elements are just kind of poo poo. A hyper advanced empire just clashes with shields and spears...just baby poo poo. Snowman_McK fucked around with this message at 00:40 on Jun 27, 2022 |
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Jun 27, 2022 00:38
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Eh. "This incredibly advanced society is so advanced it has gone back to melee weapons" is common enough a trait it doesn't really stand out. It feels weird to criticize it for that when like every reasonably advanced society we know of in the MCU still uses knives/swords/hammers/etc. Melee weapons are cool. Black Panther not using them in a cool enough way doesn't really change that fact.
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Snowman_McK posted:I don't know what this means but I am intrigued. https://twitter.com/BAKKOOONN/status/1413687517291991040?t=DzJR2gx1FQm5vII9qRhAew&s=19
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Snowman_McK posted:
I've posted as much before, but it's really weird that wakanda's capital has dirt roads, and they fight on rhinos. Our current, not-fantastical techno cities don't have dirt roads. I doubt there's a dirt road within an hour of Seoul. Alice Springs doesn't have dirt roads... As for the rhinos, they have VTOL planes and stuff, but still subject animals to the cruelty of war. Could they not get a jeep? Black Panther needed another six months in the oven, and that's without mentioning the choice of casting a very sympathetic British actor as a friendly CIA agent who influences regime change in Africa.
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The US police and military both use dogs in active combat/policing. Police still use horses for crowd control during riots. Animals aren't safe from the MIC in real life and if the police could train rhinos and encase them in bullet proof force fields as they charge protesting crowds you'd see rhino squads on every street tomorrow.
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I hold 'fictional utopia' to higher standards than 'current hellzone' personally. Wakanda having a stable of disposable rhinos but refusing to provide them to breeding programs outside of their borders is a very funny implication.
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ImpAtom posted:Eh. "This incredibly advanced society is so advanced it has gone back to melee weapons" is common enough a trait it doesn't really stand out. May your blade chip and shatter
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RBA Starblade posted:May your blade chip and shatter Yeah, Dune has knives being more important than guns to the point someone deciding to use a gun is shocking and unexpected. Star Wars has fuggin' lightsabers. Star Trek has phasers but you better believe that Worf is bringing his big battleaxe with him to fight cyborgs. Fuckin' Halo has laser swords. Mass Effect has swords. Anything remotely inspired by anime probably has some fuckin' space katana. Wonder Woman is from a technologically advanced island of Amazons and she still pulls a sword and shield out. Aquaman has a trident. There's a lot of criticisms to be made about Black Panther but it is a comic book movie and comic books are by their nature going to go for big spectacular brawls. If you're expecting plausible realism from comic books instead of a focus on something that 'feels' correct then you're looking at the wrong movies/shows/whatever.
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I’ll forgive basically any specious reason for putting more hand to hand fighting in movies instead of gunplay but the finale of black Panther sucks so bad a shootout would have been better.
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Everyone dings Shang-Chi (not undeservingly) for going 'big spectacular' for it's last act battle but I'd rather watch that any time over Black Panther's finale. Melee fighting with shields and spears isn't a problem, it's that what they did with it was just so poorly done and uninteresting.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:I’ll forgive basically any specious reason for putting more hand to hand fighting in movies instead of gunplay but the finale of black Panther sucks so bad a shootout would have been better. Generally speaking like a lot of movies the quality would go up 1000x if the action had some combination of being rated R or/and having good action choreography. Because otherwise it may as well have been like half as long. Like as soon as you see the two armies lining up and and T'Challa/Killmonger ending up in a different location you already know how it's going to play out. Shang-Chi was cool, I didn't mind the big spectacle because stuff because it had enough other good stuff going on in it so it was forgivable. Same with Multiverse of Madness, the entire part where Wanda is laying siege to Kamar-Taj and Wong has to individually yell out everything they can do, and all this powerful center for magical learning has is magical bow and arrows and some cannons, that whole part of the movie sucked rear end. But everything else about it ruled so I can forgive it. I kind of respect they got the obligatory terrible MCU final battle stuff out of the way in the first act. Neo Rasa fucked around with this message at 04:22 on Jun 27, 2022 |
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Jun 27, 2022 04:18
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I think it's bullshit that Kamar Taj has no built in magical defences.
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I think the Black Panther climax got a better reception than it deserves because Killmonger's death is one of the stronger scenes in the movie. The spears, rhinos and dirt roads get to one of the paradoxes of afrofuturism, right? How do you come up with a pulpy science-fiction take on "Africa" as an idea without recycling pulp tropes about primitive savages? You can if you do your research on what its countries are actually like, but Black Panther is such a thoroughly Western fantasy of what "Africa" is like that there was no chance of that happening.
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ImpAtom posted:Eh. "This incredibly advanced society is so advanced it has gone back to melee weapons" is common enough a trait it doesn't really stand out. It feels weird to criticize it for that when like every reasonably advanced society we know of in the MCU still uses knives/swords/hammers/etc. Melee weapons are cool. Black Panther not using them in a cool enough way doesn't really change that fact. As pointed out, Wakanda has extremely sophisticated jet aircraft that can be operated remotely through computer simulation. T'challa then throws the keys to a white guy - and a foreign spy, at that - and tells him to stop the plot to destabilise the world by arming blacks with advanced vibranium weapons while all the black characters go outside to have a tribal war in which they literally chuck spears at each other. If you don't think any of that is worthy of criticism, then I don't know what to say.
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Creed 1 also has an amazingly done boxing sequence that is basically one shot and one of the beet shot action sequences of recent years. The drop in Black Panther is almost embarrassing. Once you get down. To the finale, it's just bad.
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Jedit posted:As pointed out, Wakanda has extremely sophisticated jet aircraft that can be operated remotely through computer simulation. T'challa then throws the keys to a white guy - and a foreign spy, at that - and tells him to stop the plot to destabilise the world by arming blacks with advanced vibranium weapons while all the black characters go outside to have a tribal war in which they literally chuck spears at each other. If you don't think any of that is worthy of criticism, then I don't know what to say. Plus like we have military vehicles today that are named after animals but aren't like, literally the animal. They could have done a lot with that regarding the color and design of the stuff (since their tech is so advanced no need to make their aircraft a triangle like we saw at the and). I'm not saying to make them literally vehicles shaped like animals or whatever (like even in something as overblown as Warhammer 40,0000 a Chimera is a tank that looks like a tank not something built to look like the monster), just you could evoke that kind the feel and momentum of that without having literal animals while the one white dude uses an X-Files ship. Darko posted:Creed 1 also has an amazingly done boxing sequence that is basically one shot and one of the beet shot action sequences of recent years. The drop in Black Panther is almost embarrassing. Once you get down. To the finale, it's just bad. I think it goes without saying that with the same story and general plot beats if Coogler was just given control over the action scenes or able to use the same folks he worked with on Creed - especially with so much of Black Panther's action emphasizing close combat and one on one fights - we could have gotten a much better movie. Neo Rasa fucked around with this message at 14:43 on Jun 27, 2022 |
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Neo Rasa posted:Same with Multiverse of Madness, the entire part where Wanda is laying siege to Kamar-Taj and Wong has to individually yell out everything they can do, and all this powerful center for magical learning has is magical bow and arrows and some cannons, that whole part of the movie sucked rear end. But everything else about it ruled so I can forgive it. I kind of respect they got the obligatory terrible MCU final battle stuff out of the way in the first act. Yeah MoM is absolutely full of dumb poo poo like this. Or "Reed Richards is the smartest man in creation so he just walks up and talks to the raging invading violent person and then details the weakness of one of his fellow Illuminati, who then kills himself because he can't shutup despite being a mute" Also why don't they have anti-magic defenses? I mean I get it, they wanted a fun Illuminati sequence who then get killed by her to build up how scary she is, but it's all very dumb. I do agree that Elizabeth Olsen is absolutely great acting in this movie, even if the script is not that good. Jaxyon fucked around with this message at 18:33 on Jun 27, 2022 |
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It's thoroughly established at that point that they, like Strange and dead Strange before them, are completely in over their head.
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