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Big Mean Jerk posted:I skip that episode every rewatch because I cannot stand the hum-screaming bullshit they all do in that sickbay scene. Absolute auditory torture and that kid does it several times in the episode. Just godawful. That's funny because the Modern Trek thread is over 1000 pages of people making the B'nar.
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:This TNG episode with the kid raised by space pirates(?) is tedious. They are more like low-rent Klingons
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Jun 23, 2022 14:59
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IIRC, in the original script they were Klingons, with the kid as essentially a reverse-Worf.
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That would have been more fun, but it's kind of unbelievable Klingons would adopt a puny human like that.
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Guessing that's where the bit with the Telarian captain explaining that his son was killed by 'the enemy' and therefore their laws allowed him to take a human orphan in return came from. Sounds vaguely Klingon-ish.
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I feel like raising the orphaned child of an enemy because it is the honorable thing is exactly the kind of thing a non-lovely Klingon would do
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So let's say the romulans try to evacuate Romulus. Let's assume they have 2,000 warbird equivalents in their fleet. Which is a bit generous, since we know how big warbirds are. Warbirds are really big so let's assume that each one can evacuate 40,000 people per trip and each round trip takes a week. Assume 5 billion people on Romulus. It will take the Romulan Fleet one year and 2 months to evacuate everyone with the whole fleet operating non-stop. Kind of sounds like you would need massive humanitarian assistance. The kind that would absorb all of the federation's space lift capacity for months. There are two inhabited planets in that star system.
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Arglebargle III posted:So let's say the romulans try to evacuate Romulus. Let's assume they have 2,000 warbird equivalents in their fleet. Which is a bit generous, since we know how big warbirds are.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Remans don't count, if Nemesis is any guide If Star Trek Online is anything close to canon (since the new shows keep shoplifting stuff from it), the most reasonable and relatable Reman is a separatist leader who gets pissy at you if you try to apprehend him for building world-destroyer bombs to kill some Romulans and destroy their planets. On the current storyline, this takes place *after* the Romulan civil war has ended, and Remans are free to found their own colonies or go live with the republic planets which are under the joint Starfleet/Klingon protection via alliance.
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Arglebargle III posted:So let's say the romulans try to evacuate Romulus. Let's assume they have 2,000 warbird equivalents in their fleet. Which is a bit generous, since we know how big warbirds are. They weren't just evacuating one planet.
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A huge part of the crisis is because the kill zone of the supernova is a radius of about 50 light years over the next 50 years, and the most heavily inhabited Romulan colonies are the ones close to Romulus. So it's a massive ongoing refugee/evacuation crisis situation for decades, with lots of worlds still facing it by the time of Picard a decade later. And to get Romulus itself cleared in time they had to shunt them to other nearby refugee worlds still in the kill zone with the plan of moving them again later, because if they flew everyone 60 light years they couldn't have gotten everyone off-world. That's why the Federation couldn't even just use their existing lift capacity, they had to build a dedicated mass-produced fleet of 10,000 tugs hauling trains of passenger car cargo containers crewed by synths, intended to be hauling people en-masse from Romulan space for decades. It is a pretty cool setup that would've made a really good show if the writers hadn't hosed what came next. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 03:25 on Jun 24, 2022 |
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MikeJF posted:A huge part of the crisis is because the kill zone of the supernova is a radius of about 50 light years over the next 50 years, and the most heavily inhabited Romulan colonies are the ones close to Romulus. So it's a massive ongoing refugee/evacuation crisis situation for decades, with lots of worlds still facing it by the time of Picard a decade later. And to get Romulus itself cleared in time they had to shunt them to other nearby refugee worlds still in the kill zone with the plan of moving them again later, because if they flew everyone 60 light years they couldn't have gotten everyone off-world. Well said. They did a really lovely job of explaining this part, I'm not sure if they even mentioned it directly in the show.
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They really needed to talk to a science advisor to figure out what this disaster even is.
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You don't understand, it is important that the audience has no idea where or when things are happening, that makes it easy to write because you don't have to care.
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Kesper North posted:Well said. They did a really lovely job of explaining this part, I'm not sure if they even mentioned it directly in the show. They talked a bit about how there were people still in the line of fire from the supernova who'd been abandoned but it was very unclear.
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MikeJF posted:They talked a bit about how there were people still in the line of fire from the supernova who'd been abandoned but it was very unclear. I remember going "poo poo, I know what that implies" and waited for them to explain it to The Audience, and they never really did 
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MikeJF posted:A huge part of the crisis is because the kill zone of the supernova is a radius of about 50 light years over the next 50 years, and the most heavily inhabited Romulan colonies are the ones close to Romulus. So it's a massive ongoing refugee/evacuation crisis situation for decades, with lots of worlds still facing it by the time of Picard a decade later. And to get Romulus itself cleared in time they had to shunt them to other nearby refugee worlds still in the kill zone with the plan of moving them again later, because if they flew everyone 60 light years they couldn't have gotten everyone off-world. Stop making Picard sound interesting because that is a good setup.
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It just makes it more damning that they took that setup and made what they did.
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It would have been cheaper to prevent the supernova, at that point.
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I'm thinkin about star trek
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Guys I have solution to Romulan super nova and any sort of canon created by JJAbrams and the Star Trek Picard show: Just take all of it and drag it to the trash can in your head. Problem solved!
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I meant your head should be dragged away AS trash can!
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:Stop making Picard sound interesting because that is a good setup. Picard is nothing BUT good setups (that are immediately thrown away).
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:Picard is nothing BUT good setups (that are immediately thrown away). The spiritual successor to Voyager
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:Picard is nothing BUT good setups (that are immediately thrown away). Exactly. Oh we have Romulan refugees trying to rebuild their society, and also ex-Borgs trying to build a new one, and also synthetic life trying to build *their*own society. So much space for philosophy and diplomacy and grand Picardian speeches. Oh wait, the story is evil robot gods? Nevermind then.
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And none of it touches Season 2 at all. All that "world building" just got ditched lol
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Brawnfire posted:And none of it touches Season 2 at all. All that "world building" just got ditched lol To be fair, season 2 takes place nowhere or no-when near there.
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WhiteHowler posted:To be fair, season 2 takes place nowhere or no-when near there. That's Brawnfire's whole point, there's no reason to be fair about it.
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McSpanky posted:That's Brawnfire's whole point, there's no reason to be fair about it. It doesn't bother me that they left that background behind for season 2 and did something else. Of course, it was five episodes looking pretty good and then leaping naked into a dumptruck full of sulfuric acid and razor blades, because Gravitas Shortfall posted:Picard is nothing BUT good setups (that are immediately thrown away). I'm only on episode 9 though. I'm watching the finale tonight and I'm sure they'll turn that ship (ha) right around and give me a sensible and fulfilling conclusion.
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I mean it sort of bothers me that they set up a whole "what's happening in the universe we last left in the 2000s" scenario with some intriguing hooks then abandoned most of them, then given the opportunity to go back and revisit some of the abandoned hooks, they came up with a dozen new hooks and abandoned all of those too.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8MFp3-ebEQ today is a good day to remain indomitable
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I enjoyed the blink and you miss it inference that the JJ universe is fantasy in the Strange New Worlds latest episode. The map of Elysian had the outline of the reboot movie Enterprise.
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https://twitter.com/ryanqnorth/status/1540293443293003777 Ryan North is writing a Lower Decks comic, I am excited.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/ryanqnorth/status/1541149768596029447
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hot drat but also can't help but think maybe he could write an episode too!?
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He's right about Civil Defense being the best episode of DS9.
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IShallRiseAgain posted:He's right about Civil Defense being the best episode of DS9. Is this ATTENTION BAJORAN WORKERS or worf on trial, I always get those mixed up, episode name wise I fuckin love smug dukat holo and smugger real dukat
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Worf posted:Is this ATTENTION BAJORAN WORKERS or worf on trial, I always get those mixed up, episode name wise It's ATTENTION BAJORAN WORKERS
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