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Eric Cantonese
Dec 21, 2004

You should hear my accent.

Dr. Jerrold Coe posted:

Any old Dr. Who stuff owns, the new stuff is all so up its own rear end. Better when it was cheap FX with clever writing.

I really hope there's no secret sex pest stuff about Tom Baker...

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loquacius
Oct 21, 2008
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Eric Cantonese posted:

I really hope there's no secret sex pest stuff about Tom Baker...

Wasn't there a thread about how every single cultural figure from the 20th century UK was a pedophile

Crusader
Apr 11, 2002

Some Guy TT posted:

who or what is black bolt

this comment reminds me that john hodgman would namedrop black bolt by full title (“black bolt, king of the inhumans”) at random over a decade ago (like in the hobo codes of his book iirc), back when they were, uh, more obscure

Koirhor
Jan 14, 2008

by Fluffdaddy
so far I must say every episode of season 11 is total rear end, which is a shame because I don’t hate jodie as the doctor, the writing and plots are just garbage

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008
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Oh btw I appreciate these posts and will thoroughly peruse these links tomorrow when I'm not on a train :tipshat:

Action Jacktion
Jun 3, 2003

Koirhor posted:

so far I must say every episode of season 11 is total rear end, which is a shame because I don’t hate jodie as the doctor, the writing and plots are just garbage

That seems to be a common opinion: nothing wrong with Whittaker, she's just stuck with bad stories and a bad showrunner. Things probably won't be as bad with RTD coming back, but they still probably won't be that good.

im saint germain
Jan 30, 2021

i've come from the future to tell you all we have to stop party rock before it returns

Substandard posted:

I still think it's taken a big downturn since Tennant / Smith runs. Capaldi is kinda whatever for me all the way through. I feel like the Jodie Whitaker was just doing her best David Tennant impression in the early episodes and they all sucked, but they do get a little better as they go along.

I guess I did see one tiktok someone made where she tried to explain where the Whitaker Who could've gone wrong - she said it was from Chris Chibnall taking over and trying to make her another David Tennant-type, instead of letting her have more of her own thing as the Doctor. I wish they made Joanna Lumley the Doctor after Capaldi though, that could've ruled

Good soup!
Nov 2, 2010

My father in law is watching the recent doctor strange movie and we are close to the end and lmao not even me being high for the first time in months make me enjoy this

But it does own that the one universe's heroes meet their demises in unusually brutal ways lol the lame rear end fantastic four dweeb getting peeled like string cheese and then popped what the gently caress, is that supposed to the funny because it's funny as poo poo lmao

All the corny rear end musical notes too, drat man, I used to enjoy the occasional super hero movie

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018
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It's so bad, the entire movie expects you to have watched wandavision. If you didn't you have 0 idea what is going on.

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*
lol oh yeah, the music during that fight scene with shuma gorath. the blandest garbage you've ever heard, desperately trying and failing to make the fight seem cool

Good soup!
Nov 2, 2010

They're all staring at the blast door and then the jump scare that looks like a new grounds game rofl

Good soup!
Nov 2, 2010

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Antonymous
Apr 4, 2009

Has anyone seen In Cold Blood

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011
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Koirhor posted:

so far I must say every episode of season 11 is total rear end, which is a shame because I don’t hate jodie as the doctor, the writing and plots are just garbage

nice try woman hater youre misogyny is showing

Babysitter Super Sleuth
Apr 26, 2012

my posts are as bad the Current Releases review of Gone Girl

nuWho has a consistent problem with having really good casting and inventive production design married to the worst loving television writing you’ve ever seen. it’s amazing. every single doctor has been cast with an incredible loving actor and their companions are all insanely talented, the show finally has the budget to actually look the way the writers want to, and yet the actual plots and character beats are complete and absolute trash, below the level of poo poo you’d see in the first season of Star Trek next generation. just a complete shitshow of the worst nerds jerking each other off over being able to finally make their fanfictions real

Koirhor
Jan 14, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

Some Guy TT posted:

nice try woman hater youre misogyny is showing

but I thoroughly enjoyed the Westworld S4 premiere

Koirhor
Jan 14, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:

nuWho has a consistent problem with having really good casting and inventive production design married to the worst loving television writing you’ve ever seen. it’s amazing. every single doctor has been cast with an incredible loving actor and their companions are all insanely talented, the show finally has the budget to actually look the way the writers want to, and yet the actual plots and character beats are complete and absolute trash, below the level of poo poo you’d see in the first season of Star Trek next generation. just a complete shitshow of the worst nerds jerking each other off over being able to finally make their fanfictions real

I mean I’m not gonna lie that Jenna Coleman is easy on the eyes and that helped alot!

Good soup!
Nov 2, 2010




LOL uhhhhh wait a sec

Good soup!
Nov 2, 2010

*still from White Men Can't Jump*

THE MESSENGER

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008
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I guess Canada IS a country for old men

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY
The problem with new who is you are not topping Smith's run.

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011
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Koirhor posted:

but I thoroughly enjoyed the Westworld S4 premiere

why are they still making these i keep assuming this show is canceled because of how the way people describe the most immediately preceding season and then it turns out theres another one

DoombatINC
Apr 20, 2003

Here's the thing, I'm a feminist.





watching I Married a Monster from Outer Space (1958) which your usual fifties sci-fi loaded with anti-subversive propaganda about not trusting anyone that starts acting different, but a major plot point is that the alien doppelgangers can be identified by an allergy to alcohol - because it's the fifties and anyone not drinking constantly is a loving commie

edit: just finished a scene where a group was harangued by a barkeep because they were sitting at a table having a quiet conversation instead of getting drunk and bothering the women patrons like they usually do

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Blood Boils
Dec 27, 2006

Its not an S, on my planet it means QUIPS

Antonymous posted:

Has anyone seen In Cold Blood

It's a masterpiece, like the book

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011
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these kenobi retcons are getting out of control!

NeatHeteroDude
Jan 15, 2017

I'm watching Hoarders with my wife, and, drat. I get that people are receiving support and legal help and hundreds of hours of actual cleaning and work and organizing, but goddamn if I wouldn't rather die than be on it

Antonymous
Apr 4, 2009

Blood Boils posted:

It's a masterpiece, like the book

cool I'm going to watch it tonight. It looks like it has the best black and white cinematography of any movie ever. We will see.

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

revival dr who really depends on vibes since the writing hasn't ever been consistent

Davies had soap opera characters in fantastical sci-fi situations. often the plots didn't really resolve in a coherent way, but the setting and characters could be pretty grounded. Davies's work outside Dr. Who has received acclaim for it's elements of social realism, and it seems like fans ignore that stuff in Who. Davies also had the doctors be sort of ambiguous characters. Eccleston portrayed him as only a reluctant hero most of the time, and his actions in one story is revealed to have led to an even worse future in the finale. Tennant's doctor was more charismatic, but also a bit of a narcissist and goes power hungry multiple times.

I only consistently watched Moffat's run through the Matt Smith years, but that was a lot more consciously fairy-tale like and mythical than most of Davies run. The main cast in-universe become mythical figures, while the earth plotlines sort of disappear. Under Davies we got to see Donna save planets through her temp skills, while with Moffat we never get to see Rory do nurse stuff. We did get to see Rory live for thousands of years to become "the Last Centurion" guarding a thousand year old tomb. Smith played the doctor as a weirder guy than Tennant or Eccleston, but overall seemed more straightforwardly a good guy. That's all vibe stuff though, and I did like the vibe shift early in Moffat's run tbf.

The most disappointing thing with Moffat during the Smith years is that he seemed to get overly ambitious with plotting. The season long arcs got more complicated over time and increasingly incoherent. Davies season long arcs were more like vibes or foreshadowing than actual plot beats. While it could be underwhelming I was never confused by them. The season long stuff during Smith might have been less of an issue if the episodes weren't also becoming overstuffed while also seeming cut to the bone. The fairy tale atmosphere falls apart when the editing is giving you whiplash and you're a bit lost about what's actually going on.

Even with the criticisms, Moffat's era is probably technically better than Davies. However, the vibes of the Davies stuff is unique among TV scifi and I prefer it for that.

I might check out the rest of Moffat's run at least before Davies comes back. I'm pretty sure I watched the first Capaldi series, but I wasn't as invested in the show by that point.

Davies has said he want Dr. Who to have a bunch of spinoffs and crossovers like the MCU, which sounds horrific. Also I'd probably watch that slop for a few years.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017
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DoombatINC posted:

watching I Married a Monster from Outer Space (1958) which your usual fifties sci-fi loaded with anti-subversive propaganda about not trusting anyone that starts acting different, but a major plot point is that the alien doppelgangers can be identified by an allergy to alcohol - because it's the fifties and anyone not drinking constantly is a loving commie

edit: just finished a scene where a group was harangued by a barkeep because they were sitting at a table having a quiet conversation instead of getting drunk and bothering the women patrons like they usually do

Commies, very well known for avoiding alcohol

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

Have you ever seen a commie drink water, Manfred?

Slamhound
Mar 27, 2010

Mantis42 posted:

Have you ever seen a commie drink water, Manfred?
Just a little water.

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

NeatHeteroDude posted:

I'm watching Hoarders with my wife, and, drat. I get that people are receiving support and legal help and hundreds of hours of actual cleaning and work and organizing, but goddamn if I wouldn't rather die than be on it

idk how you can watch that show, i mean it's just miserable.

there's something about dumb TLC/Discovery-era faux-reality tv that's just misery porn poo poo that makes me lust for end of america. all the fat shows, hoarder shows, trailer park shows, whatever that people gobble up is just sick. i'm sure a lot of it staged... well, i hope a lot of is staged i guess, but still.

Durf
Aug 16, 2017




Hoarders was initially mostly funny eps featuring boomers in terrible marriages and their complete inability to stop collecting tacky poo poo, but it eventually reached a point where they were obviously looking to exploit the poorest and most mentally ill people in the most nauseating situations.

I think the turning point was the one with the senile hunchbacked hillbilly troll woman who lived on a rundown farmhouse full of crushed chickens and ate crisco out of the tub. They kept trying to top that nightmare. Tho I did love when her large adult children showed up during the cleaning and immediately got into a massive brawl while the hosts ran for cover.



Also having a hoarder neighbour IRL who lived with his son in a 400 sq ft bachelor caked in bugs and poo poo really soured me on the whole concept.

Mola Yam
Jun 18, 2004

Kali Ma Shakti de!
if i ever feel like the place is getting a bit messy i'll pop a couple eps of hoarders on a friday night

place is pristine the next monday, with like six giant trash bags of thrift shop donations by the front door

mazzi Chart Czar
Sep 24, 2005
Remember one episode of something where somebody was keeping bag of poo poo in the freezer. Just saving human feces for whatever hosed up brain-pattern reason.

That is one of those things that gives perspective on how crazy people can be.

"Do you think it's crazy that I'm am keeping a bunch of small dolphins trinkets on this shelf."
*Mentally compares a shelf of dolphin decorations to human poo poo in a freezer*
"Nah, it's not that crazy at all."

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NeatHeteroDude
Jan 15, 2017

Xaris posted:

idk how you can watch that show, i mean it's just miserable.

there's something about dumb TLC/Discovery-era faux-reality tv that's just misery porn poo poo that makes me lust for end of america. all the fat shows, hoarder shows, trailer park shows, whatever that people gobble up is just sick. i'm sure a lot of it staged... well, i hope a lot of is staged i guess, but still.

you're totally right and that was the first thing I thought when my wife started talking about it. she genuinely watches it because it's heartwarming to see people get the help they need.

It feels incredibly exploitative no matter what, but I get where she's coming from. There are so many parts of it that make me uncomfortable, and my wife and I riff about it while we watch (she's very tolerant of me making jokes or talking over stuff), so it's not all gross and bad. even from the perspective that the hoarders are getting a level of support and service that they would otherwise never be able to afford, there are a lot of weird little tics where people are lovely to the person getting help.

for example, I don't like it when the main people besides the rotating psychologist will berate the poo poo out of someone with incredible mental illness/trauma from living in their own fesces for years who doesn't want to let an object go. also, and this drives me insane in classrooms too, how the show people will talk about the hoarder in the third person even when they're literally attending to the conversation.

or how the staff will use "we" when they talk about the person like you would to a child. "how are we feeling today?" etc. Maybe that's some high level evidence-based practice for the treatment of hoarding disorder, but it still bothers me.

NeatHeteroDude
Jan 15, 2017

Durf posted:

Hoarders was initially mostly funny eps featuring boomers in terrible marriages and their complete inability to stop collecting tacky poo poo, but it eventually reached a point where they were obviously looking to exploit the poorest and most mentally ill people in the most nauseating situations.

I think the turning point was the one with the senile hunchbacked hillbilly troll woman who lived on a rundown farmhouse full of crushed chickens and ate crisco out of the tub. They kept trying to top that nightmare. Tho I did love when her large adult children showed up during the cleaning and immediately got into a massive brawl while the hosts ran for cover.

blech! and yeah, the last couple of people we've watched have very clearly been sick for a long time. some of them probably have some kind of bodily damage from living in a house filled with feces, mold, mildew, lead, etc., for years.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017
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Love how 'large adult children' immediately brings to mind a specific image.

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

NeatHeteroDude posted:

you're totally right and that was the first thing I thought when my wife started talking about it. she genuinely watches it because it's heartwarming to see people get the help they need.
...
or how the staff will use "we" when they talk about the person like you would to a child. "how are we feeling today?" etc. Maybe that's some high level evidence-based practice for the treatment of hoarding disorder, but it still bothers me.
i wonder how much managed to stay 'clean' or end up relapsing almost as soon as the camera turns off? that would be interesting to know how many who 'get help' manage to actually stay helped.

i guess there is some benefit in the whole 'raising awareness' (in the twitter bluecheckmark lingo) and i dont know if there's a happy way that needles can be threaded between "we're helping people and raising awareness" vs "misery porn"

i also get weirded out by the use of "we" all the time. "we are pregnant" really weirds me out.

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Durf
Aug 16, 2017




when I worked night shift I watched a lot of reality tv and my favorite was probably Newlywed and Nearly Dead. basically the benign canadian tv version of r/relationships. no outright abuse, just bizarre people in incredibly ill-advised unions. stuff like a husband who doesn't get enough sex and responds with passive-aggressive vacuuming, or a successful woman marrying a manchild who gets blitzed at the wedding and picks monster pumpkins for their centerpieces. (my wife still quotes his reaction at finding one - "Ohhhh I like this'un.... gotta lotta seeeeeeds init!!!")

Also every episode ended with the resident 'therapist' suggesting they patch their irreconcilable differences by doing poo poo like wearing clown wigs around each other once a week. It had the same energy as Bar Rescue where the proposed solution is obviously terrible and just leads to stunned silence.


Xaris posted:

i wonder how much managed to stay 'clean' or end up relapsing almost as soon as the camera turns off? that would be interesting to know how many who 'get help' manage to actually stay helped.

i've read enough r/ChildofHoarder to know that this seems to be very, very rare. it's incredible how quickly some relapse, like one person managed to clear his mom's house only for her to refill it floor to ceiling in like a month. He had no idea how she achieved it, basically must have gone to several yard sales every day with the express goal of buying something, anything to fill the space.

besides the usual conclusions of giving up and eventually finding their parents dead in their heaps, the hardest were the stories of people growing up desperately trying to keep their own spaces clean, knowing the instant the parents found out they'd be like OHHH! MORE SPACE! and fill their bedroom with random crap. Then turn around and blame them for being messy.

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