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State of the Worlds, Jan 1, 1986 Part One - The Essentials  The current state of the inner system.  The current state of the Minerva system, or at least the inner half of it. As of today, there are six spacecraft operating outside of the Earth-Moon system, five of them operating under the authority of X-COM, the sixth a joint mission between the Ministry and NOMAD. Of those, two are a Proton-Neutron pair orbiting Mars, and two are another Proton-Neutron pair orbiting Venus. As a reminder, you dispatched the Venus squadron there just in case there were aliens on Venus. They have now been on station many months, and although they have amenities and supplies for over a year of additional time on-station, there is absolutely no evidence that any macrobiotic life has ever been present on Venus. Their sensors are providing an absolute wealth of data, though, and it's already been incredibly valuable to the Japanese, who have put it to good use in developing their VENUSPLAN habitat modules. The remainder of humanity's rapidly-growing space fleet are operating within the vicinity of Earth. This includes sixteen large ships operated by civilian organizations other than the Ministry of Outer Space Affairs - ten of those are freighters, and six are passenger ships.  2.6 billion humans are under Comintern authority on Earth, and nearly another 24 million on the Moon.  Earth remains Earth. It is, currently, the only planet where humanity is capable of living sustainably. Even Luna is still dependent on supplies from Earth. More and more of it is under Comintern administration every year. Dozens of large spacecraft, and hundreds of small ones, circle it at any given time. CRITICAL - you only have enough maintenance facilities to maintain 5,000 tons worth of spacecraft at any given time, and currently have over 16,000 tons in Earth orbit. MOSA strongly recommends building additional maintenance facilities  The Lunar Socialist Republic is arguably the most impressive social engineering project and the most impressive actual engineering project in human history. On a barren, airless, dusty rock hundreds of thousands of kilometers away from home, over twenty million souls now live and work. Most of it is still empty and unexplored, but for millions of people, this place is home now. They will live a life here. They will have children here. They will die here. They may always be humans, but they are Earthlings no longer. Much like Earth, the LSR is not without its problems. The extremely rapid pace of growth, combined with the spartan living conditions, has resulted in numerous social issues - conflicts between the earliest waves of colonists and the massive influx of newer arrivals, conflicts between groups that had past grievances on Earth, conflicts over space or resources, and of course disputes over how the Republic should be run or how certain projects should be accomplished. Shouting matches or even brawls between members of competing collectives are not an uncommon occurrence, and the unarmed volunteer patrols that currently pass for law enforcement in the LSR find themselves constantly busy maintaining order. The Lunar Self-Defense Force is ready to be deployed in a riot control role if ever needed, although it has not yet been needed. Privately, the commander of the LSDF, Polkovnik Innocent Bystander, is of the opinion that there is little the LSDF could actually do to suppress a major incident of civil unrest; the Lunar Socialist Republic's tiny military is a battalion-strength force, just as a reminder. There remain engineering and safety issues related to the rapid pace of expansion, as well, and health issues caused by accidental radiation exposure on long EVAs, years spent in Moon gravity, and the occasional accident. Life up there isn't all sunshine and roses. Despite all this, it's working. The new society is rambunctious at the best of times, but on the Moon, if you don't work together, everyone asphyxiates and dies. People have had to learn that lesson the hard way. You might have beef with that collective two habs over, or that rival survey crew, or the night shift - but when the meteorite hits, and the habitat breaches, and all your precious life-giving air is venting out into space, you stop throwing punches, you pick them up off the ground, and - together - you fix it. That's what it means to be a citizen of the Moon.  The test station on Ariadne is equal parts offshore oil rig and Antarctic research base - roughnecks playing around with the industrial equipment, scientists studying the Belt and the asteroid itself and all the various things they're doing to it. This is a place with a purpose. That having been said, it's still a NOMAD operation, and as a result, the place isn't as austere or utilitarian as it could be. Every bare wall and bulkhead is adorned with some kind of decoration, ranging from inspiring slogans to full-on murals, and the living spaces feature velcro floors, to let you stand and walk around just like you were on Earth.  There are still a few hundred people on Mars, most of them at the Barsoom scientific outpost, which continues to do extremely important but largely unglamorous work studying the Red Planet. The remainder are located in the Face, which remains largely unexplored, as does the rest of the Cydonia complex. The small team there are just holding down the fort and keeping an eye on things until the real archaeology team arrives, and are under orders not to touch anything they don't have to. They're mostly content with this order, as they keep seeing lights moving around outside the windows at night.  Earth's industry is currently dedicated towards modernizing your TN mining infrastructure. There is also work being put into railroad construction and of course the Socialist Aid Program.  The mineral situation on Earth remains good, with no shortages projected for several years at current usage rates.   The only thing your shipyards are currently doing is converting a transport for the archaeology teams.  Current research. Academician Matveyev anticipates a breakthrough in TN nuclear-pulse engines within three months. Part Two - the Fleet  There are currently sixteen task groups in the space fleet of the Ministry of Outer Space Affairs, although several of those only have one ship in them. They are further organized into four distinct groups.  Earth Guard Command is MOSA's armed wing, entrusted with defense of the planet against both the threat of global nuclear war and hypothetical alien threats. Its small fleet is currently divided into four squadrons - three operational squadrons of three ships each, and a reserve squadron of one ship. Ships 001 and 003 are currently rated as not combat capable due to chronic maintenance issues in their engines.  The SPECTRE Liaison Office serves as an umbrella command for surveillance spacecraft operating over the Earth and Luna. It currently has no official commanding officer and is more a paperwork convenience than an actual functioning organization (you never established this with a legislative mandate, I just made it for the sake of convenience, and if you want to get rid of it just say so).  X-COM is the most prestigious branch of the Ministry and the one everyone wants to be in. These are the explorers, the adventurers, the people who actually go out into deep space to explore strange new worlds and boldly go and all that jazz. It is, in practice, a lot more boring than the stories make it sound, but this department still represents the bleeding edge of human space exploration.  Finally, all of the remaining ships, nearly all of them freighters, are currently operated directly by the Ministry, as there is no dedicated logistics organization yet. TO BE CONTINUED Upcoming: The Results of the Year's Scientific Efforts, Reports From Selected Bureaus and Departments, A Special Report on Canada Deliberations will remain open until Friday, at which point voting will commence. Mister Bates fucked around with this message at 08:05 on Jun 27, 2022 |
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By the way, I guess not everyone plays Aurora? I can understand the concern with terraforming Io if all you have to go from is the discussion around Venus. Venus is a extreme planet, and while you can terraform it in reasonable time with huge investments in terraformers its not entirely reasonable. In aurora you terraform by adding or removing gasses in units of atmospheric pressure, in c# aurora how much gas you need to produce for one bar of pressure depends on the planet. A small planet like Io will take a relatively short time to terraform because of this. Now, Venus is also smaller than earth, but it have gigantic atmospheric pressure that needs to be removed. Interestingly, this system means that some planets that might only be a tiny percentage from perfect, say less than a bar of pressure could be more difficult to terraform than Venus if its much much larger than Venus. It all makes it kind of difficult to calculate exactly how long it will take to terraform. But a good rule of thump, if its smaller than earth and only a couple of bars away of pressure for perfect temperature, water and oxygen (and proportional pressure) you should have an easy time terraforming it and can do it in a couple of years with a moderate investment in orbital terraformers. Interestingly it also means the moon is relatively easy to terraform. I like to make it a jungle to make it hard to invade and then set it up with a lot of financial centers as its the perfect trading partner for Earth and I like to roleplay that it ends up a major financial hub and corporate retreat (cause of tropical beaches and whatnot). Also, a neat trick for the moon is to set it up with just little bit of infrastructure. Earth produces a lot of infrastructure that it can trade with the moon. You then just let the private shipping industry ship trade good infrastructure to the moon. Make sure you use short time skips, 1 and 3 hours are optimal depending on your tech level and cargo handling. The way the game handle civilian shipping seems to be that it only check the queued action per time skip. This means that if they decide to pick up some infrastructure on earth, if you skip 30 days, they will sit and wait on earth for 30 days. While if you go one hour, they will probably manage to load the goods and be of too the moon, and soon be back again. You can see how you then in the same time frame can have them make thousand more trips than with long time skips. It will make your civilian shipping and trade grow exponentially faster and also the amount of infrastructure being delivered You then keep passing small time frames until you have enough infrastructure that you could completely populate the moon and then you terraform the moon into being habitable. You now have a massive amount of free infrastructure you can use elsewhere. And finally, Redeye Flight made me aware that project sword and shield is feasible for Mars too, so that is something to consider. To qoute "[take] the entire moon of Phobos and carving it into a defense station shaped like Karl Marx's head that vaporizes threats with its laser eyes." Which is something I can only aprove of. Lets give the alien menace a phobia of Phobos!
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quote:A New Universal Bill of Rights The Second Universal Bill Of Rights Amendment Whereas the Communist Interplanetary has made direct contact with non-human sentient life forms Whereas under the principles of socialism all sentient life should have equal chances of flourishing Let it be resolved that the following be struck: "The Cominterp guarantees these unalienable rights, to all Interplanetary peoples, regardless of country of origin or political affiliation:" and amended to read: The Cominterp guarantees these unalienable rights, to all sentient life forms under its jurisdiction, regardless of country of origin, race, or political affiliation: Further, whereas the original Universal Bill Of Rights left several important rights as unenumerated rights, let it be resolved that the following enumerated rights be added to the Universal Bill of Rights - The right to bodily autonomy - The right to freedom from forced military service - The right to privacy - The right to inviolability of their home absent a decision by an entity empowered to arbitrate legal disputes as designated by the Cominterp member polity - The right to equal treatment before the law as well as a just and speedy trial - The right to freedom from discrimination based on immutable characteristics including, but not limited to sexual orientation, ethnicity or gender Lastly, let it be resolved that the enumerated list of rights is incomplete and shall not be construed to limit any unenumerated right that is necessary for the flourishing of equal people in a socialist society as determined by Cominterp member polities. sheep-dodger fucked around with this message at 22:30 on Jun 27, 2022 |
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Mister Bates posted:CRITICAL - you only have enough maintenance facilities to maintain 5,000 tons worth of spacecraft at any given time, and currently have over 16,000 tons in Earth orbit. MOSA strongly recommends building additional maintenance facilities Well far be it from me to ignore the advice of the experts The DRMN proposes an official requisition of maintenance facilities on Earth sufficient for 30,000 total tons of spacecraft.
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Asterite34 posted:Well far be it from me to ignore the advice of the experts sheep-dodger posted:The First Universal Bill Of Rights Amendment Seconded.
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sheep-dodger posted:The First Universal Bill Of Rights Amendment We request that the language regarding conscription, privacy, and inviolability of the home be struck from this motion, or we cannot support it. Conscription is a vital part of many members ability to defend themselves. The overbroad language of the other two clearly contradicts with the Cominterns own acts with regard to the hunt for Gladio, and is a clear attempt to sneak previously denied attempts to curtail those necessary activities through the back door. Further, the language regarding court orders is a clear bias towards a particular societal setup, and places an undue burden on all members to create a legal system that may well make no sense. Many are somewhat short on state appointed judges at the moment. Lastly, we must strenuously object, in the strongest possible terms, to language that suggests all our members are democratic socialists or that they should strive to be such. paragon1 fucked around with this message at 13:15 on Jun 27, 2022 |
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sheep-dodger posted:The First Universal Bill Of Rights Amendment Psst, we already amended the Bill once to specifically ban all forms of coerced or forced labour. Otherwise, looks solid. Seconded And now my first Bill: quote:MOSA maintenance bureau bill Edit: Clarified in the last part that they specifically order enough maintenance facilities to cover the new ships. TDS fucked around with this message at 13:26 on Jun 27, 2022 |
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TDS posted:Psst, we already amended the Bill once to specifically ban all forms of coerced or forced labour. Otherwise, looks solid. Seconded Seconded.
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Asterite34 posted:Well far be it from me to ignore the advice of the experts How about we instead decide on a percentage of active spacecraft = goal in maintenance facilities? Like "Always maintain enough maintenance facilities to service 1/3rd of our active spacecraft"
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paragon1 posted:We request that the language regarding conscription, privacy, and inviolability of the home be struck from this motion, or we cannot support it. Conscription is a vital part of many members ability to defend themselves. As this bill has bourgeois trappings of the old regime such as 'courts' and 'trials', we must also join Paragon1 in this.
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I don’t know if this requires a full bill but can I suggest we put capacitors in the research queue?
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TDS posted:Psst, we already amended the Bill once to specifically ban all forms of coerced or forced labour. Otherwise, looks solid. Seconded paragon1 posted:We request that the language regarding conscription, privacy, and inviolability of the home be struck from this motion, or we cannot support it. Conscription is a vital part of many members ability to defend themselves. I also very much reject the framing of a solidification of an explicit right to privacy and inviolability of the home as some sort of "sneak attempt", they're both right there in plain language in the bill. It is hardly too much to ask the members of this body to spend the precious seconds necessary to read two lines of text in order to know what's in the bill that they will be voting on. If you don't believe that Cominterp residents have a right to privacy then you're free to hold that view, but in my eyes it clearly leaves an open door for reactionary elements to restrict the freedom of Cominterp citizens through the intelligence bureaucracies and the chilling effects of 24/7 surveillance combined with modern TN-enabled computing power. paragon1 posted:Further, the language regarding court orders is a clear bias towards a particular societal setup, and places an undue burden on all members to create a legal system that may well make no sense. Many are somewhat short on state appointed judges at the moment. paragon1 posted:Lastly, we must strenuously object, in the strongest possible terms, to language that suggests all our members are democratic socialists or that they should strive to be such.
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As a vanguardist country, Appalachia is also opposed to the "democracy" byline.
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Loel posted:As a vanguardist country, Appalachia is also opposed to the "democracy" byline. an unprovoked attack against the proletarian democracy provided by the mother of vanguard parties, the CPSU, and the elections they hold every four years, but I'm not going to stop the representative from Appalachia from smearing the USSR as undemocratic if they choose to engage in that fight.
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Antidemocratic isn't a smear, comrade. All of our countries have the right to develop socialism as their material conditions dictate.
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Volmarias posted:This... is capitalism with extra steps, comrade. Rewarding only the most popular of artists while others are granted scraps at most? A payment system that appears tailor made for money laundering, and for allowing counter revolutionary propaganda to be distributed? This isn't even getting into the parts that can happen from corruption! That is very much the intend comrade! Well, not to be capitalist, but to pick the best parts of capitalism and emulate it with communism, that is, the ability for the individual to engage in projects, be it communal, scientific, artistic or any other without direct governmental involvement. I am not sure how it could launder money, but its very much intended that people could produce any speech they please. This is partly to appeal to the last few capitalist stronghold, that even under communism rugged individualism can and will be supported. We feel certain that it will convince many holdouts to join us when they feel they ability to engage in speech and other activities freely without explicit permission and support from a central government. Its an attempt to provide decentralization within a centralized government! If you worry about propaganda, then we can only say that we firmly believe that the answer is not cencorship, but rather to enable them to speak their mind and for us to answer them and educate them. We fully believe that communism is so naturally superior that it can easily handle and resist any propaganda that free speech may cause and can only benefit from free, open and frank debate about its merits and issues. This is not meant to replace any other support systems that is already in place. This is in fact created with the unpopular artists in mind to help and support them. Remember, unpopular artist gets nothing today if they are unpopular with the wrong people, with this, as long as they are popular with someone, they will receive some support no matter the opinions of others, one person can support as many artists or scientists or projects as they please, as long as someone likes what you do just a little you can receive support, instead of nothing under the current system unless you make friends in the right places. And the popular artists will receive the resources they need to reach all their fans. We in the Utopia Collective where almost tempted to call it the Star Wars Bill as we where swayed by the stories of how the first movie was made with nothing but promises of beers. We want to ensure that worthy artists gets the resources to create even greater works of arts and that unpopular artist, scientist and projects also get the support they are due. We also completely avoid corruption because all of this will happen electronically and automatically computers will automatically assign resources based on popularity ( The artistic support bill ) and on whom people actively choose to support (The Patreon Bill). As there is no people involved there is no opportunity for corruption in that no one can steal these resources. Its our dream long term to do away with the idea of money entirely and this simply representing the amount of resources allocated to any given project. Believe or not, the idea is partially based on a system invented by the Pirate Bay people. Hostergaard fucked around with this message at 15:33 on Jun 27, 2022 |
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Hostergaard posted:That is very much the intend comrade! Well, not to be capitalist, but to pick the best parts of capitalism and emulate it with communism, that is, the ability for the individual to engage in projects, be it communal, scientific, artistic or any other without direct governmental involvement. I am not sure how it could launder money, but its very much intended that people could produce any speech they please. This is partly to appeal to the last few capitalist stronghold, that even under communism rugged individualism can and will be supported. We feel certain that it will convince many holdouts to join us when they feel they ability to engage in speech and other activities freely without explicit permission and support from a central government. Its an attempt to provide decentralization within a centralized government! I like the broad concept, but 1) it seems inherently biased toward those with ready access to the internetwork which at present is still far from ubiquitous, 2) incentivizes wild promises appealing to the lowest common denominator for broad support with no real reason to not just "Springtime for Hitler" the whole project and run off with the funds, and 3) can absolutely be used for money laundering, when a group of "patrons" make enormous anonymous donations to an "artistic endeavor" that is merely a front. Perhaps instead of donations being allocated on an individual basis, these funds are pooled into a collective "endowment for the arts," where prospective artists can submit written proposals and outlines for projects with attached predicted budgets, which then can be voted on by the larger populous to determine the allocation of these funds from the pool?
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Asterite34 posted:I like the broad concept, but 1) it seems inherently biased toward those with ready access to the internetwork which at present is still far from ubiquitous, 2) incentivizes wild promises appealing to the lowest common denominator for broad support with no real reason to not just "Springtime for Hitler" the whole project and run off with the funds, and 3) can absolutely be used for money laundering, when a group of "patrons" make enormous anonymous donations to an "artistic endeavor" that is merely a front. To do so you would have to convince an enormous amount of people to actually support you making it either impossible, or so well known that we would notice and also imply that there is something in the project that is desired and needs to be done. Further the The artistic support bill is designed so that only established artists, people who have produced something gets support as its based on popularity of what they made. Asterite34 posted:Perhaps instead of donations being allocated on an individual basis, these funds are pooled into a collective "endowment for the arts," where prospective artists can submit written proposals and outlines for projects with attached predicted budgets, which then can be voted on by the larger populous to determine the allocation of these funds from the pool? That is more or less the intend of the Patreon Bill. Any person, be it artist scientist or simply someone who wants to build a playground for children can put up a project, and any person can support them with any percentage of however much of their share of the pool is. What more is, this is not a large lump sum provided, but continual small amounts of support given continually, there is no opportunity to take the money and run, if you don't start providing, you loose the support. Its also intended to give a way to explain civilian mining in universe once they start popping up Edit: of course, we shall work together to make this a bill that everyone can approve of, so if anyone have suggestion feel free to make them! Hostergaard fucked around with this message at 15:49 on Jun 27, 2022 |
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I don't understand the Aurora economy, do we have the productive capacity for more and bigger shipyards? We've had to pick between what hulls to build a few times, and it would be nice to know there's capacity to lay down a fleet if the Roswells are ever coming back. I don't want to be made into a vassal like the Minervans.
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mossyfisk posted:I don't understand the Aurora economy, do we have the productive capacity for more and bigger shipyards? Yes, depending on what you want to lay down. We can set ship yards to expand but from an experienced player standpoint I'd standardize some classes (figure out how big a frigate/destroyer/cruiser are tonnage wise) and then ideally figure out what shipyards we want building what. We can then set the shipyards to expand to the needed size but this is a years long process depending on what size we want and you can't do things like retool the shipyard for a different class while you are doing it, though you can fiddle with the expansion options to give you flexibility. I'd lay down another naval yard and maybe another civy one, 3 gives you really good flexibility. Also keep in mind you can set a shipyard to retool but still have it work/build the previous shipclass until the retooling is done, so having a build schedule planned out can let you squeeze in ships. We are doing pretty good on minerals, I'd get a fuel harvesting station up on a gas giant because that basically makes planetary fuel production obsolete, which can free up man power and build time. Set up a couple tankers in an automated/looped haul order and you really don't have to worry about a fuel crunch. I've gone 100+ game years with a set up like that and never had issues. The tankers for this ideally are civy ships and dont need rehauling, and since you are gonna want to run them real slow they don't need upgrading or fancy engines (some math is involved but basically you want them to complete one fuel transfer loop in either 1 game year or however long it takes your fuel station to produce enough fuel to fill the tanker fleets fuel tanks, which is months/years). The above tank farm concept takes a couple years to spin up (build time, transport time for the stations, fuel production spin up) but afterwards you are going to be making poo poo tons of fuel, and can be expanded as needed by just adding another station, or stations can be repositioned. You can get fancy and alternate fuel convoys if you work out the math to transfer fuel to naval bases or use the fuel stations as refueling points for fleets as needed. The downside besides the spin up is that in a contested or threatened system they are assets you need to protect, though they don't have huge signatures so the AI tends ignore or miss them. They also don't need maintenance unless you militarize them, and fuel harvesting efficency upgrade techs apply to existing designs, so they don't really need retrofitting. There are also technologies which increase build speed and decrease the time and cosr it takes shipyards to retool or expand, which can be of great use. That being said, roleplaying and story reasons are kinda hindering the above efforts, and our technology is pretty poo poo so it might not be ideal to run out a tooon of ships that will need to be retrofitted or scrapped in like 5 to 10 years? Feel free to ask pointed or "dumb" questions, I play way too much of this game. Telsa Cola fucked around with this message at 16:48 on Jun 27, 2022 |
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Telsa Cola posted:
Question: are TNE's finite in nature? I get that individual deposits are, but I've heard stuff about being able to replenish them.
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TNE deposits don't grow back, afaik. I'm unsure if comets ever spawn in post system generation, though.
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Innocent_Bystander posted:TNE deposits don't grow back, afaik. I'm unsure if comets ever spawn in post system generation, though. I was reading the wiki and it said that you can just kind of.. discover new ones by using a geology team on a celestial body?
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sheep-dodger posted:ah, that wasn't on the master list where I checked, do you happen to have the bill that was passed for the amendment? TDS posted:Since it came up earlier that technically we could still build forced labour mines and stuff: Mister Bates posted:TDS-119, Amendment to the Universal Bill of Rights, passes, and all forms of forced or coerced labor are banned in the Comintern, including as punishment for commission of a crime.
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Hostergaard posted:That is more or less the intend of the Patreon Bill. Any person, be it artist scientist or simply someone who wants to build a playground for children can put up a project, and any person can support them with any percentage of however much of their share of the pool is. For my part, I just don't understand the name. What is... "Patreon"? That just sounds like a misspelling of "patron", which I am guessing is the root. It seems like a poor moniker.
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Does TDS-119 apply to conscription?
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ah excellent, thank you!
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Hostergaard posted:And finally, Redeye Flight made me aware that project sword and shield is feasible for Mars too, so that is something to consider. To qoute "[take] the entire moon of Phobos and carving it into a defense station shaped like Karl Marx's head that vaporizes threats with its laser eyes." Which is something I can only aprove of. Lets give the alien menace a phobia of Phobos! The only way this could be better is if we were able to tow asteroids into orbit so that we could have a whole constellation of Communist/Socialist Hero heads ready and waiting with laser eyes and gaus cannon hair, and box launcher missile moustaches ready to educate the alien aggressors on the nature of the workers power.
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Loel posted:Does TDS-119 apply to conscription? I'd say if all you're offering is military service, probably yeah, if you're offering a variety of civilian options, probably not. Long-term this is one of the things the Ministry of Labour is supposed to help with, making the assumption that coming-of-age young folk want to contribute to society as best they're able they'll advise and help set up people in career paths, some of which will be military in nature.
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Orbital Infrastructure bill. We have at best, the facilities for a third of the orbital traffic around our planet. Logistically speaking, this can be referred to as 'bad'. Best case scenario is an exponentially increasing string of minor malfunctions and breakdowns, with the worst case being a major incident involving a ship pulling itself apart and catapulting chunks of itself randomly across the solar system. If the ship happens to be carrying hyperdense materials then this can result in something like the father of all shotgun blasts stripping half a planet to the bedrock. While this is unlikely, we do currently only have the one habitable planet. Therefore, the bill proposed is thus: 1. Emergency construction of further orbital infrastructure, to the point we can safely maintain 20,000 tons of shipping, 4000 over the current amount. 2. Sustained future development of further infrastructure to keep pace with the growing demands of our civilisation. We should aim to always maintain a 2000 ton buffer over every core world, be that Earth or any suitable inhabitable planets we settle on in future. This will allow for any crash building we may need to undertake in future. This figure can be revised later, dependant on technologies that become available. 3. The development of mobile repair and maintenance stations or ships, so that any unforeseen accidents can be responded to and gaps in the repair infrastructure can be plugged immediately rather than via the much longer process of constructing something on location and then using that.
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sheep-dodger posted:ah, that wasn't on the master list where I checked, do you happen to have the bill that was passed for the amendment? Your bill does not allow any such "out" comrade. Both modes of labor you just described would be banned under your bill. It's "freedom from conscription" not "right to non-military alternative to conscription". It's extremely interesting that you accuse me of not reading your bill, since you seem to need me to explain what the words in it mean to you. sheep-dodger posted:I also very much reject the framing of a solidification of an explicit right to privacy and inviolability of the home as some sort of "sneak attempt", they're both right there in plain language in the bill. It is hardly too much to ask the members of this body to spend the precious seconds necessary to read two lines of text in order to know what's in the bill that they will be voting on. If you don't believe that Cominterp residents have a right to privacy then you're free to hold that view, but in my eyes it clearly leaves an open door for reactionary elements to restrict the freedom of Cominterp citizens through the intelligence bureaucracies and the chilling effects of 24/7 surveillance combined with modern TN-enabled computing power. You reject my characterization with one hand while embracing it with the other! This body has already rejected the numerous alarmist claims towards our hard working comrades in the security apparatus, the same ones who saved the lives of everyone in this room. The same ones who already have oversight provided for in their bill by it's author from Cascadia, whose record on human rights in absolutely unimpeachable. You know this, that's why you don't even mention the issue in your bill and try to pass it off as some harmless patch. Some simple line items that must have slipped our minds. Pfah! This body sees through your chicanery! sheep-dodger posted:I'm more than willing to hear suggestions as to language that would be more palatable that still guarantees that some form of democratically authorized arbitration entity has judged the breach of the right necessary. the point is to guard against undemocratic abuse of power, not prescribe conflict resolution systems Quite frankly comrade, I would recommend not having that bit in the bill at all. We cannot account for all the ways these things could be handled in France, let alone the comintern as a whole. I would also try to avoid any rules regarding what constitutes "democratic" for the same reason we avoid defining socialism too closely around here.
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BwenGun posted:The only way this could be better is if we were able to tow asteroids into orbit so that we could have a whole constellation of Communist/Socialist Hero heads ready and waiting with laser eyes and gaus cannon hair, and box launcher missile moustaches ready to educate the alien aggressors on the nature of the workers power. And spinal laser coming out the mouth!
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quote:Conscription for the Defense of the Revolution Bill TDS fucked around with this message at 21:05 on Jun 27, 2022 |
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Jun 27, 2022 20:48
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paragon1 posted:Your bill does not allow any such "out" comrade. Both modes of labor you just described would be banned under your bill. It's "freedom from conscription" not "right to non-military alternative to conscription". It's extremely interesting that you accuse me of not reading your bill, since you seem to need me to explain what the words in it mean to you. paragon1 posted:You reject my characterization with one hand while embracing it with the other! This body has already rejected the numerous alarmist claims towards our hard working comrades in the security apparatus, the same ones who saved the lives of everyone in this room. The same ones who already have oversight provided for in their bill by it's author from Cascadia, whose record on human rights in absolutely unimpeachable. You know this, that's why you don't even mention the issue in your bill and try to pass it off as some harmless patch. Some simple line items that must have slipped our minds. Pfah! This body sees through your chicanery!
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Jun 27, 2022 21:02
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Point of order: the Teamsters and Hoffa were both defeated in the war.
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Jun 27, 2022 21:12
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Conscription is a touchy issue. One of the things that makes me hesitant to see it removed is something we are forgetting: it takes time to make a spacer. Lots of time. Less time, actually, than it takes to make a ship. This is a game thing too: if we do not have crew and crew bottlenecks are easy, we will have to rely on conscripts.
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The literal exact words of a bill are sophistry now? You cannot seriously expect anyone to believe that? You can falsely declaim your bill doesn't do what it explicitly says it does all you like. The words are right there on the page. To think that GLADIO is spent is wishful thinking. It is in fact YOU who is drumming up imagined security concerns for citizens by painting the workers state, UNIONS even, as in some inherently adversarial relationship with those same workers. All while trying to enshrine some half-baked inane Western bourgeois notions of rights on a particular piece of property. Like some kind of, what, property rights? Is that what you're really after? Property rights?
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NewMars posted:Question: are TNE's finite in nature? I get that individual deposits are, but I've heard stuff about being able to replenish them. Yes. During system generation (when you discover a new star system) planetary/asteriod/comet bodies are generated with stat that's called something like "Ground/Geosurvey rating". This rating is the chance for a geosurvey team to discover additional deposits of minerals or increase the accessibility rating of existing deposits. The rating can range from None to Excellent. This discovery can be in the magnitued of tens of millions of tons. It can also increase accessibility rating .01 to like 1 or .9 or whatever. However, each body can only be surveyed once believe, so minerals are indeed finite. You might be able to cheese a reroll by like forgeting the planetary bodies geosurvey status (you can do something similar for jump space survey points to find "hidden" points) but thats cheese. Body size effects the survey time requirement. Large bodies can take a year or so asteriods/comets can be pretty quick. Telsa Cola fucked around with this message at 21:27 on Jun 27, 2022 |
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Jun 27, 2022 21:18
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There is something else: what is a soldier? Someone who does dangerous but necessary labour. They are labourers like any other. But people in general are not free to choose their work, even market economies only give the illusion of it. There is what must be done and it has to be done for the common good. So I feel the issue of conscription is a false one, instead we should focus on what truly matters in the building of communism: the rights of workers. Soldiers should have the rights and protection of any other: the right to organization and the right to protection.
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Until such a time as the Joint Chiefs have been secured and whatever faction of Roswells or other aliens appears likely to have collaborated with them has been identified it would be foolish to presume the reactionaries from before are a spent force.
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