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shades of eternity posted:and never forget, despite the problems in her campaign, Comey's announcement and betrayal of the public office is how Trump got into office. There was an HBO miniseries about how upright and honorable James Comey is. He was played by Jeff Daniels. And nobody has thought or given a poo poo about him since. I don't think an extremely tortured series of cause and effect that somehow ends with Comey being responsible for Dobbs is going to bend the needle back.
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Automata 10 Pack posted:The GOP are actively dismantling democracy. You won’t be able to vote anybody in the next time the GOP take control. I think this issue parallels what some plague rats was bringing up with Roe. Democrats had a lot of time to do something effective about this problem and chose not to. Now they are using the issues to fund raise more than ever claiming democracy and human rights are at risk when this has been true the whole time. They suppressed candidates, groups and actions that were fighting for the solutions in the mean time.
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Lol Comey is living a chill life and is not feeling any guilt whatsoever.
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Also Hillary keeps trying to manufacture her come back in some pretty obvious ways. https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1541389145293131776 If Biden doesn't run in 24 I fully expect her to run and try to clear the field again with some coordination with the DNC. It will not be fun. Also the start of John Oliver's show last night might have been lifted directly from this thread. It was a bit refreshing.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Also Hillary keeps trying to manufacture her come back in some pretty obvious ways. Conservative WSJ Opinion writers and Fox News columnists are the only ones floating think pieces about her. I don't think she is trying to manufacture a comeback by employing only them in conservative outlets. Seems more likely it is people looking for quick clicks or riling up the readers of those conservative media pieces.
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Automata 10 Pack posted:The GOP are actively dismantling democracy. You won’t be able to vote anybody in the next time the GOP take control. But it is inevitable that the Republicans will retake control. America is a two party system, control moves back and forth between the parties naturally. And the Republicans have stacked the courts so that even while the Democrats are in control, the Republicans grow more powerful and make it harder for Democrats to win. If you accept that the next time Republicans take control will be the end of American democracy, then logically you must also accept that American democracy will end sometime within this decade.
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Automata 10 Pack posted:Got a better idea? as long as we're discussing realistic paths forward, it is worth assessing the realism of "we don't lose another election, ever"
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Also Hillary keeps trying to manufacture her come back in some pretty obvious ways.  How does Juan Williams, a Fox News analyst, writing an op-ed mean this? Are you suggesting that Hillary convinced Juan to write this? Or because Juan references a handful of random interviews she's given, which almost all ex-politicians do? Or some other thing in that op-ed?I really don't understand how you've reached this conclusion...
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Clinton did recently give an interview where she talked about how the Democrats can win by abandoning LGBT rights, so she clearly does have some big thoughts about the political moment.
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Automata 10 Pack posted:The GOP are actively dismantling democracy. You won’t be able to vote anybody in the next time the GOP take control. So instead of being able to choose between two capitalists who will give the rich people that are destroying my country and my planet everything they want and ordinary people nothing, I will instead have one chosen for me? Well, as a lifelong third party voter that means my experience won't actually change at all.
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Kalit posted:
It's a general comment on the number of media pieces in general that have been shoehorning her into discussions and her voicing her opinion on national policy matters to media figures. I doubt she is puppet mastering Juan Williams. She is however using her connections to get her name and opinion in the news. Maybe it's just her being vocal but I also think she has a mind to run again.
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I hadn't actually seen the video of the assault until now, but media coverage made it seem far more serious. Rudy is pressing charges (the assailant has already been arrested and charged with second degree assault) and his son released this statement:quote:"Innocent people are attacked in today's New York all of the time. This particular incident hit very close to home. The assault on my father, America's Mayor, was over politics. We will not be intimidated by left-wing attacks. As governor, I will stand up for law and order so that New Yorkers feel safe again. This message has resonated with voters throughout my campaign, leading up to Tuesday's primary." Rudy is also having a press conference on Tuesday at 7:30 pm to discuss the assault and give updates. This is what Rudy said about the assault: quote:All the sudden, I feel a shot on my back. Like somebody shot me! I went forward luckily I didn't fall. Lucky I'm in pretty good shape, I mean suppose I was a weaker 78-year-old and cracked my skull and died? Giuliani said he has red marks on his back, but no blood, "My back hurts, but otherwise I’m able to walk and stuff." Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 14:19 on Jun 27, 2022 |
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This seems bad and reflects what a lot of posters here are saying as well. I'm genuinely not surprised. https://apnews.com/article/2022-midterm-elections-biden-covid-health-presidential-e50db07385831e67f866ec45402be8b9 More than 1 million voters switch to GOP in warning for Dems WASHINGTON (AP) — A political shift is beginning to take hold across the U.S. as tens of thousands of suburban swing voters who helped fuel the Democratic Party’s gains in recent years are becoming Republicans. More than 1 million voters across 43 states have switched to the Republican Party over the last year, according to voter registration data analyzed by The Associated Press. The previously unreported number reflects a phenomenon that is playing out in virtually every region of the country — Democratic and Republican states along with cities and small towns — in the period since President Joe Biden replaced former President Donald Trump. But nowhere is the shift more pronounced — and dangerous for Democrats — than in the suburbs, where well-educated swing voters who turned against Trump’s Republican Party in recent years appear to be swinging back “It’s more so a rejection of the left than embracing the right,” said Smith, a 37-year-old professional counselor whose transition away from the Democratic Party began five or six years ago when he registered as a libertarian.
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Also the stupid vision that socialism is how you win appalachia will never cease to be hilarious to me as every time a socialist or even anything close runs here in west virginia they get washed by guys like manchin in primaries and rando republicans in real elections. This is the political acumen of "historical materialists"
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BiggerBoat posted:This seems bad and reflects what a lot of posters here are saying as well. I'm genuinely not surprised. How many are doing it to vote in the GOP primary because the democrats aren't running anyone? In my red part of Colorado the democrats basically don't run anyone for many positions, and if I want any say I have to vote on the GOP ballot for primaries.
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BIG-DICK-BUTT-gently caress posted:Yeah one handled it like the perennial loser she is, and the other actually fought to stay in power I'm hoping that isn't support for January 6th and the destruction of democracy, but if it is, good to know. 
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:How many are doing it to vote in the GOP primary because the democrats aren't running anyone? In my red part of Colorado the democrats basically don't run anyone for many positions, and if I want any say I have to vote on the GOP ballot for primaries. This would only account for a million voters switching parties if there are tons of districts where Democrats used to run but now they don't. I don't think that could be true, considering the proliferation of digital infrastructure to help people run for office.
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BiggerBoat posted:This seems bad and reflects what a lot of posters here are saying as well. I'm genuinely not surprised. The "good" thing is that likely doesn't really represent many actual people who switched parties. The examples they give are a libertarian who has been voting Republican for the last 6 years and an anti-vax advocate; who both just recently registered as Republicans, but hadn't been voting Democratic for at least half a decade. The "bad" news is that this likely represents a consolidation and motivation of Republican base voters who were possibly infrequent or not strongly attached base voters; which suggests stronger than average Republican turnout for races where infrequent voters drop out for both parties (like midterm elections). Many are likely switching to vote in Republican primaries, which indicates that they voted Republican in the general election, but never in the primary and they are getting more involved with the party. Primary voters are much more likely to vote in the general than non-primary voters. It's also just an estimate based on party registration totals: quote:nearly 1.7 million voters who had likely switched affiliations across 42 states for which there is data over the last 12 months, according to L2, a political data firm. L2 uses a combination of state voter records and statistical modeling to determine party affiliation. While party switching is not uncommon, the data shows a definite reversal from the period while Trump was in office, when Democrats enjoyed a slight edge in the number of party switchers nationwide.
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BiggerBoat posted:This seems bad and reflects what a lot of posters here are saying as well. I'm genuinely not surprised. This right here is why the Democrats will abandon abortion rights, LGBT rights, civil rights, etc. The democrats have told us time and time again that they want these specific voters. Pelosi stated in 2017 that they should focus less on ideological causes in order to get these conservative voters. Schumer at one point stated that for every urban blue collar Democrat they lose, the democrats will gain two suburban moderate Republican voters. They care more about republicans than their base.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:How many are doing it to vote in the GOP primary because the democrats aren't running anyone? In my red part of Colorado the democrats basically don't run anyone for many positions, and if I want any say I have to vote on the GOP ballot for primaries. Hard to say really but the article did touch on the idea
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Gripweed posted:But it is inevitable that the Republicans will retake control. America is a two party system, control moves back and forth between the parties naturally. And the Republicans have stacked the courts so that even while the Democrats are in control, the Republicans grow more powerful and make it harder for Democrats to win.
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BiggerBoat posted:This seems bad and reflects what a lot of posters here are saying as well. I'm genuinely not surprised. Interesting article, thanks for posting. 2/3 of all party registration changes to Republican is a significant percentage, but it's still a tiny amount overall (for reference, 1 million is ~1.4% of the votes that went for Trump in 2020). I think the big questions are 1) will Roe V Wade getting overturned and less pandemic shutdowns make a difference, and 2) will any party registration changes that remain for the midterms enough to make a difference in any race (for either party).
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shades of eternity posted:I'm hoping that isn't support for January 6th and the destruction of democracy, but if it is, good to know. Considering that democracy produced the current American government, the notion that democracy is in and of itself a positive is in doubt Automata 10 Pack posted:Maybe this decade, maybe next. The longer it can be delayed, the more opportunity of a changing factor can occur (however small of a chance) and the longer the marginalized class can prepare for the inevitable. Better tomorrow than today. No, definitely this decade. There's no way the Democrats keep both houses and the presidency in 2022, 2024, 2026, and 2028
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California finally got their "gas rebate" that has been stuck in the legislature for a while passed. They also basically completely changed it (for the better, mostly) from the original proposal. The old proposal was: - $400 rebate per car registered in California, with a cap of two. The New legislation is: - $350 per individual + another $350 if you have dependents, with a cap of $1,050. - Suspend the diesel gas tax for 12 months. - The state will provide local governments with the equivalent amount of lost revenue from the diesel tax, so there won't be any impact on local transportation funding. They also threw in $200 million to fund reproductive health clinics, which has nothing to do with gas/inflation, but I guess they were just reacting to the Supreme Court decision. https://twitter.com/GavinNewsom/status/1541253164900315138
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Gripweed posted:Clinton did recently give an interview where she talked about how the Democrats can win by abandoning LGBT rights, so she clearly does have some big thoughts about the political moment. To be fair those are less "big political thoughts" and more "old white woman thoughts".
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ozmunkeh posted:To be fair those are less "big political thoughts" and more "old white woman thoughts".
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FlapYoJacks posted:So uh, if this thread isn’t for discussing the single largest current event in the last 50 years of US history and the ramifications to the party that is currently in power, what is this thread for? Mods gay (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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cat botherer posted:But for absolutely mystifying reasons, people take this old white woman's political opinions very seriously. ....how is that different than any other [more than one term] ex-politician? Politicians and ex-politicians in our country get listened to/reported on more than random people, I don't see how this specific instance is "mystifying"...
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SCOTUS just ruled that school officials can lead prayers at schools. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Gripweed posted:Considering that democracy produced the current American government, the notion that democracy is in and of itself a positive is in doubt. Democracy did not produce the current American government. Americans just believe against all evidence that they live in a democracy. "White rurals get more votes than others" is not democracy, any more than "only white landowning men can vote" or "only white men can vote" or "okay only men can vote and black men can sort of vote on paper but not really". (And no, it's 2022 so "actually the Greek definition for democracy-" is not a valid answer. One person, one vote, or bust) There isn't American democracy to end. cat botherer posted:But for absolutely mystifying reasons, people take this old white woman's political opinions very seriously. What people? Literally nobody gives a poo poo about Hillary than rich people who just want to say they met her because she is famous, conservatives who think she's the devil and leftists who think she's the devil and none of those take her political opinions seriously. DarkCrawler fucked around with this message at 15:16 on Jun 27, 2022 |
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Kalit posted:....how is that different than any other [more than one term] ex-politician? Politicians and ex-politicians in our country get listened to/reported on more than random people, I don't see how this specific instance is "mystifying"... e: DarkCrawler posted:What people? Literally nobody gives a poo poo about Hillary than rich people who just want to say they met her because she is famous, conservatives who think she's the devil and leftists who think she's the devil and none of those take her political opinions seriously. cat botherer fucked around with this message at 15:15 on Jun 27, 2022 |
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shades of eternity posted:I'm hoping that isn't support for January 6th and the destruction of democracy, but if it is, good to know. No, it’s a clear and simple statement. Please don’t project additional subtext on to it.
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Crows Turn Off posted:SCOTUS just ruled that school officials can lead prayers at schools. It's a potentially bad ruling, but they didn't rule that. They ruled that the public school can't prohibit the coach from praying on his own in the stadium after a game. They ruled that he wasn't acting as a public employee when he did that, even though he was doing it as a reaction to a football game put on by the school and while on the clock. The school didn't renew his contract after he refused to stop praying on the field after games and the court ruled that since the first amendment doesn't ban public officials from personal religious expression and this prayer was a personal action he did by himself and not endorsed by the school or a requirement for anyone else, that they violated his first amendment rights by firing him for that.
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Automata 10 Pack posted:The GOP are actively dismantling democracy. You won’t be able to vote anybody in the next time the GOP take control. If the GOP are going to dismantle the “democracy” we have next time they win perhaps the President I voted for could do something to reverse that? The people you think I should vote for again do not seem to think the situation is very serious, which is why I wouldn’t vote for them again.
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BiggerBoat posted:This seems bad and reflects what a lot of posters here are saying as well. I'm genuinely not surprised. This was pretty much expected since Biden’s victory was built on the shakiest coalition we have seen a Democrat have in a long time. It was only get rid of Trump and he did that so the coalition has nothing holding it together anymore. It might end up actually being worse for the Democrats long term that Biden won with it in 2020 since they pushed away young people and their base to build this coalition and Biden is now very unpopular. The suburbanites will return to the Republicans and leave the Democrats with a shattered coalition. Raccooon fucked around with this message at 15:21 on Jun 27, 2022 |
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They love her because she's great at turning out money and they're interested in making money.(seeing as they are lobbyists and consultants) not because they see her as an amazing visionary.
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DarkCrawler posted:What people? Literally nobody gives a poo poo about Hillary than rich people who just want to say they met her because she is famous, conservatives who think she's the devil and leftists who think she's the devil and none of those take her political opinions seriously. She’s still very popular among the liberals I know, and why not? The democrat bench is so thin that even an aging never-was like Hillary is a top contender by default. What gives you the basis for your statements like this, anyways? Is this just based off the posts you read here?
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DarkCrawler posted:They love her because she's great at turning out money and they're interested in making money.(seeing as they are lobbyists and consultants) not because they see her as an amazing visionary.
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theCalamity posted:Pelosi stated in 2017 that they should focus less on ideological causes in order to get these conservative voters. Schumer at one point stated that for every urban blue collar Democrat they lose, the democrats will gain two suburban moderate Republican voters. They care more about republicans than their base. Is there any evidence of this actually happening anywhere ever? Maybe it's just because I live in Texas, but from what I've seen your average moderate Republican in the suburbs would rather eat broken glass than vote for a Democrat.
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I looked it up and the most recent poll I could find for her approval ratings is from 2018 but given her popularity with democrats has been stable I don’t think the claim “nobody likes Hillary Clinton anymore” is evidence-based or reflects reality. From here: https://news.gallup.com/poll/243242/snapshot-hillary-clinton-favorable-rating-low.aspx Honestly, I didn’t think support for her remained so high. If there’s more recent polling that runs counter to these results, I’d be interested in seeing it E: oops, misquoted the post. “Nobody gives a poo poo about Hillary Clinton anymore” was the original claim. That’s not the same thing as popularity but high popularity among democrats makes me think that they do, in fact, give a poo poo about her. BIG-DICK-BUTT-FUCK fucked around with this message at 15:37 on Jun 27, 2022 |
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