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Leon Trotsky 2012: Aug 27, 2009; YOU CAN TRUST ME!*

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The Supreme Court just made a very good ruling on allowing reduced sentences for non-violent drug offenders (even though the law as written didn't explicitly specify that the reduced sentence could be retroactive).

In the first ever 5-4 decision of this term where Thomas and Gorsuch sided with the liberals and Roberts sided with the conservatives.

Majority:

Sotomayor
Kagan
Breyer
Thomas
Gorsuch

Minority:

Roberts
Alito
Barrett
Kavanaugh

# ? Jun 27, 2022 15:33

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# ? May 24, 2024 23:59

Kalit: Nov 6, 2006; The great thing about the thousands of slaughtered Palestinian children is that they can't pull away when you fondle them or sniff their hair.

That's a Biden success story.

BIG-DICK-BUTT-gently caress posted:

She�s still very popular among the liberals I know, and why not? The democrat bench is so thin that even an aging never-was like Hillary is a top contender by default.

What gives you the basis for your statements like this, anyways? Is this just based off the posts you read here?

Are you sure you're not basing this statement off of conservative media? Just based off a casual google search, it's conservative news/media (Fox News, CPAC straw poll, NY Mag, etc) that seem to be pushing the narrative of Clinton 2024. Even after she stated that she is not running....

Kalit fucked around with this message at 15:41 on Jun 27, 2022

# ? Jun 27, 2022 15:38

Solkanar512: Dec 28, 2006; by the sex ghost

BIG-DICK-BUTT-gently caress posted:

She�s still very popular among the liberals I know, and why not? The democrat bench is so thin that even an aging never-was like Hillary is a top contender by default.

What gives you the basis for your statements like this, anyways? Is this just based off the posts you read here?

It�s only �thin� because you and the everyone else seemingly keep ignoring every blue state smaller than Illinois.

There�s more to the west coast than California!

# ? Jun 27, 2022 15:40

Leon Trotsky 2012: Aug 27, 2009; YOU CAN TRUST ME!*

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For anyone wondering why this ruling happened, it is one of those rare situations where Thomas and Gorsuch's legal theory of "beep boop, the law/constitution doesn't explicitly say this exact literal sentence or word, so therefore I have to rule this way" accidentally lands on a rare good idea. Like, Gorsuch did with the trans rights case.

# ? Jun 27, 2022 15:41

Travic: May 27, 2007; Getting nowhere fast

Just had a conversation with one of the other doctors at my practice. Just to give you an idea how despicable these people are.

Him: What's wrong with this ruling? They jus sent it back to the states to decide?

Me: Because they sent it back to the states to take women's rights away.

Him: Well if that's what the majority want then so what?

Me: Because its horrible!

Him: Meh. I don't care.

# ? Jun 27, 2022 15:56

Kalli: Jun 2, 2001

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

It's a potentially bad ruling, but they didn't rule that.

They ruled that the public school can't prohibit the coach from praying on his own in the stadium after a game.

They ruled that he wasn't acting as a public employee when he did that, even though he was doing it as a reaction to a football game put on by the school and while on the clock. The school didn't renew his contract after he refused to stop praying on the field after games and the court ruled that since the first amendment doesn't ban public officials from personal religious expression and this prayer was a personal action he did by himself and not endorsed by the school or a requirement for anyone else, that they violated his first amendment rights by firing him for that.

That's what the ruling said, that he was praying on his own and not as an employee, however reality:

# ? Jun 27, 2022 15:57

BIG-DICK-BUTT-FUCK: Jan 26, 2016; by Fluffdaddy

Kalit posted:

Are you sure you're not basing this statement off of conservative media? Just based off a casual google search, it's conservative news/media (Fox News, CPAC straw poll, NY Mag, etc) that seem to be pushing the narrative of Clinton 2024. Even after she stated that she is not running....

I think she could be considered a �top contender� because there�s no other competition. You�re right, there�s no official word from her or any democrat sources but still, if she threw her hat in the ring for 2024 I think she�d be the presumptive nominee. Who else is there?

Solkanar512 posted:

It�s only �thin� because you and the everyone else seemingly keep ignoring every blue state smaller than Illinois.

There�s more to the west coast than California!

This is fair, but I�m speaking mostly about presidential candidates. Are there exciting up-and-coming democrats that you think will run for president? Gavin Newsom clearly has his sights set on it but :barf:

. JB Pritzker has been a bit better than expected. I�ve heard Jared Polis name floated, and from what I know of him he seems like a pro-business idpol ghoul.

As for the others from 2020 presidential campaign? Harris, Buttigieg, Warren, Klobuchar? Cmon that�s a dreadful bench for the democrats.

# ? Jun 27, 2022 16:02

Willa Rogers: Mar 11, 2005

BiggerBoat posted:

This seems bad and reflects what a lot of posters here are saying as well. I'm genuinely not surprised.

https://apnews.com/article/2022-midterm-elections-biden-covid-health-presidential-e50db07385831e67f866ec45402be8b9

More than 1 million voters switch to GOP in warning for Dems

WASHINGTON (AP) � A political shift is beginning to take hold across the U.S. as tens of thousands of suburban swing voters who helped fuel the Democratic Party�s gains in recent years are becoming Republicans.

More than 1 million voters across 43 states have switched to the Republican Party over the last year, according to voter registration data analyzed by The Associated Press. The previously unreported number reflects a phenomenon that is playing out in virtually every region of the country � Democratic and Republican states along with cities and small towns � in the period since President Joe Biden replaced former President Donald Trump.

But nowhere is the shift more pronounced � and dangerous for Democrats � than in the suburbs, where well-educated swing voters who turned against Trump�s Republican Party in recent years appear to be swinging back

�It�s more so a rejection of the left than embracing the right,� said Smith, a 37-year-old professional counselor whose transition away from the Democratic Party began five or six years ago when he registered as a libertarian.

Ok, first a hearty lol at the hed linked in the sidebar: "Harris emerges as top abortion voice, warns of more fallout" because it sounds as if Dems are giving her another issue to fail at repping for the admin. (Admittedly, Biden's anti-choice history makes him a bad spokesperson on the issue.)

But as much as I generally love to see Dems eat dirt the story explains that the net gain among GOP voters isn't +1 million but +370k when you subtract the no. of voters who switched from GOP to Dem.

otoh, the GOP is successfully exploiting suburban sentiment among parents by using hotbutton school issues and also GOTV:

quote:

Republicans benefited last year as suburban parents grew increasingly frustrated by prolonged pandemic-related schools closures. And as inflation intensified more recently, the Republican National Committee has been hosting voter registration events at gas stations in suburban areas across swing states like Arizona, Michigan, Nevada and Pennsylvania to link the Biden administration to record-high gas prices. The GOP has also linked the Democratic president to an ongoing baby formula shortage.

and that's leaving aside the strategic Hispanic outreach the GOP is doing with their community centers & Spanish-radio ads.

Meanwhile, the DNC/Dems have bought up a bunch of Spanish radio stations and.... sent out scary-sounding fundraising emails about scotus?

The kicker to the AP story is a work of art; it's quoting a voter who switched from Dem to GOP:

quote:

�The party itself in no longer Democrat, it�s progressive socialism,� she said, specifically condemning Biden�s plan to eliminate billions of dollars in student debt.

(Also, she was "a reliable Democratic voter up until 2016" which reads to me that she voted Trump both times.)

# ? Jun 27, 2022 16:03

haveblue: Aug 15, 2005; Toilet Rascal

Yeah, the problem isn't that now the coach is allowed to pray, it's that the coach is allowed to integrate prayer into the football program and make repeating his prayers a condition of having good standing on the team. Not as official policy, but as soft social pressure, backed up by his concrete authority as an employee of a government-run school. This is exactly the sort of thing the First Amendment is supposed to prevent.

# ? Jun 27, 2022 16:04

Kalit: Nov 6, 2006; The great thing about the thousands of slaughtered Palestinian children is that they can't pull away when you fondle them or sniff their hair.

That's a Biden success story.

BIG-DICK-BUTT-gently caress posted:

I think she could be considered a �top contender� because there�s no other competition. You�re right, there�s no official word from her or any democrat sources but still, if she threw her hat in the ring for 2024 I think she�d be the presumptive nominee. Who else is there?

You should actually read my post :rolleyes:

I literally posted that she did publicly state she isn't running in 2024:

Kalit posted:

Even after she stated that she is not running....

And if you needed a source if you had questioned that claim, it takes literally 2 seconds to look up. For example, here: https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2022-03-08/hillary-clinton-says-no-to-2024-presidential-bid

quote:

The political figure the right wing loves to hate made it very clear Tuesday morning that she is absolutely not running for president again. That's a minor blow for the part of the Democratic base that wants her to make another try, but it's a bigger blow for Republicans who have raised a great deal of money over the years by warning GOPers of the specter of a Hillary Clinton presidency.

"No, no," the 2016 Democratic presidential nominee and former secretary of state said with a laugh during a "Morning Joe" interview Tuesday morning, when Clinton was interviewed to honor International Women's Day

"But I am certainly going to be active in supporting women running for office and other candidates who I think should be reelected or elected, both women and men," Clinton said.

"There's a big debate going on about the future of democracy," along with talk about the economy, climate change, health and other issues, Clinton added. "I will stay active in all those debates."

# ? Jun 27, 2022 16:09

Willa Rogers: Mar 11, 2005

Kalit posted:

I think the big questions are 1) will Roe V Wade getting overturned and less pandemic shutdowns make a difference, and 2) will any party registration changes that remain for the midterms enough to make a difference in any race (for either party).

1) Probably not, given voter surveys to date, but polling subsequent to the decision last week will give us more data.

2) Party registration doesn't matter in general elections.

# ? Jun 27, 2022 16:10

Leon Trotsky 2012: Aug 27, 2009; YOU CAN TRUST ME!*

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Kalli posted:

That's what the ruling said, that he was praying on his own and not as an employee, however reality:

Yeah, it's not a good ruling. But, it doesn't require or allow schools to mandate prayer like the other person was saying.

This is dipping a toe into making unofficial prayer sessions okay by school officials. Previously, courts had held that even the appearance of a public school official favoring one religion (even if it was their own) as part of their duties violated the establishment clause.

This is essentially allowing the coach to pray while on the clock and allow other people to join in as long as the school doesn't sponsor it, make it a requirement, and he does it in a public place (not in a classroom, but outside on school property like the stadium/parking lot/lawn is okay). Even though it could give the appearance of favoring one religion or put social pressure on people to participate.

# ? Jun 27, 2022 16:15

B B: Dec 1, 2005

Kalit posted:

You should actually read my post I literally posted that she did publicly state she isn't running in 2024:

And if you needed a source if you had questioned that claim, it takes literally 2 seconds to look up. For example, here: https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2022-03-08/hillary-clinton-says-no-to-2024-presidential-bid

Politicians who run for president say that they're not going to run for president all the time:

https://www.nbcnews.com/video/mtp-remembers-sen-obama-in-06-i-wont-run-for-president-130042947833

# ? Jun 27, 2022 16:16

BIG-DICK-BUTT-FUCK: Jan 26, 2016; by Fluffdaddy

^^^^^ no, stop, you�re ruining the kayfabe

Kalit posted:

You should actually read my post I literally posted that she did publicly state she isn't running in 2024:

And if you needed a source if you had questioned that claim, it takes literally 2 seconds to look up. For example, here: https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2022-03-08/hillary-clinton-says-no-to-2024-presidential-bid

Ah yes, notably honest politician Hillary Clinton .. you can definitely trust her word

Even if true, that doesn�t contradict my post. Do you understand what �top contender by default� means within the context of my post?

# ? Jun 27, 2022 16:19

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Yeah, it's not a good ruling. But, it doesn't require or allow schools to mandate prayer like the other person was saying.

This is dipping a toe into making unofficial prayer sessions okay by school officials. Previously, courts had held that even the appearance of a public school official favoring one religion (even if it was their own) as part of their duties violated the establishment clause.

This is essentially allowing the coach to pray while on the clock and allow other people to join in as long as the school doesn't sponsor it, make it a requirement, and he does it in a public place (not in a classroom, but outside on school property like the stadium/parking lot/lawn is okay). Even though it could give the appearance of favoring one religion or put social pressure on people to participate.

To me this whole thing feels like a slippery slope issue and a direct attack on the Establishment Clause. �Oh, it�s ok because technically it�s after the game and technically he�s not on the clock at that point�

It�s insidious because as another sports person pointed out, you are going to end up peer pressuring people into complying

https://twitter.com/edgeofsports/status/1541431839331684353?s=21&t=m4qOEBAG-37O-Ybay4qEqw

# ? Jun 27, 2022 16:27

haveblue: Aug 15, 2005; Toilet Rascal

Yeah, exactly. It removes the main avenue of recourse for squishy, implicit situations where the immediate chain of superiors won't step in for whatever reason

# ? Jun 27, 2022 16:31

Leon Trotsky 2012: Aug 27, 2009; YOU CAN TRUST ME!*

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I haven't been following this case, but does anyone know why Russia seems to be going so hard on a WNBA star caught with "vape cartridges bearing traces of hash oil" and not other Americans?

quote:

Russian officials said they had found vape cartridges bearing traces of hash oil in Ms. Griner�s luggage when she passed through a security checkpoint. The drug charges levied against her carries a sentence of up to 10 years in a penal colony.

She's been in prison for 5 months, will remain in prison for at least another two months, and could be sentenced to 10 years in a penal colony for "traces of hash oil" in an empty vape cartridge.

She was detained a week before Russia invaded Ukraine and Russia kept her arrest secret for two weeks, so it isn't even some weird form of retaliation for supporting Ukraine or sanctions.

The NYT article theorizes that it may be part of a plan to exchange her for other high profile Russians convicted of crimes in the U.S. If they were looking to arrest high profile people, seems like they could have picked someone else. It's not like Brittney Griner was a household name prior to this.

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1541442375213584384

quote:

A Russian court said the trial for the U.S. basketball star Brittney Griner will begin on Friday and she will remain in custody until it ends, her lawyer, Aleksandr Boikov, said on Monday.

Ms. Griner appeared in the Khimki city court near Moscow for a preliminary hearing. She did not speak following her court appearance, according to a video from outside the courtroom that was posted by the official state news agency TASS.

The W.N.B.A. star, who had played for a Russian team during the off-season, was detained in a Moscow airport on Feb. 17, ensnaring a U.S. citizen�s fate in the confrontation between Russia and the west over Ukraine.

Russian officials said they had found vape cartridges bearing traces of hash oil in Ms. Griner�s luggage when she passed through a security checkpoint. The drug charges levied against her carries a sentence of up to 10 years in a penal colony.

Mr. Boikov said that he expected the trial to take up to two months, depending on the court�s workload. He also said Ms. Griner feels well and has no complaints about her treatment in the pretrial detention center.

�It is hot in Moscow, so she feels that too, especially while being transported to the court,� Mr. Boikov said in a phone interview.

Ms. Griner, a seven-time W.N.B.A. All-Star center for the Phoenix Mercury and a key figure in two champion Olympic teams, was detained a week before the invasion of Ukraine, but Russian officials did not reveal her arrest until after the war begun.

Word of her arrest came when Russia-U.S. relations were hitting one low point after another, and her detention raised fears that she could become a bargaining chip, perhaps to be exchanged for high-profile Russians in U.S. custody. In recent years, U.S. officials have accused Russia of detaining and sentencing American citizens on trumped-up charges.

Last week, dozens of organizations representing people of color, women and L.G.B.T.Q. voters called on President Biden to strike a deal for her release.

Dmitri S. Peskov, the Kremlin�s spokesman, said in an interview with MSNBC this month that Ms. Griner was not being held hostage and was being held accountable for violating Russian law.

Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 16:56 on Jun 27, 2022

# ? Jun 27, 2022 16:31

Kalli: Jun 2, 2001

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

I haven't been following this case, but does anyone know why Russia seems to be going so hard on a WNBA star caught with "vape cartridges bearing traces of hash oil" and not other Americans?

She's been in prison for 5 months, will remain in prison for at least another two months, and could be sentenced to 10 years in a penal colony for "traces of hash oil" in an empty vape cartridge.

She was detained a week before Russia invaded Ukraine and Russia kept her arrest secret for two weeks, so it isn't even some weird form of retaliation for supporting Ukraine or sanctions.

The NYT article theorizes that it may be part of a plan to exchange her for other high profile Russians convicted of crimes in the U.S. If they were looking to arrest high profile people, seems like they could have piked someone else. It's not like Brittney Griner was a household name prior to this.

She's black, homosexual and a fairly high profile athlete, so a very easy target. While not a household name, turn on ESPN and you'll have heard her come up fairly often over the past decade.

The WNBA pays so poorly that many of its players also play in foreign leagues as well, with Russia being the largest I believe.

I believe she's being held both as a bargaining chip, but also to spit in america's eye so to speak.

# ? Jun 27, 2022 16:46

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

Kalli posted:

She's black, homosexual and a fairly high profile athlete, so a very easy target. While not a household name, turn on ESPN and you'll have heard her come up fairly often over the past decade.

The WNBA pays so poorly that many of its players also play in foreign leagues as well, with Russia being the largest I believe.

I believe she's being held both as a bargaining chip, but also to spit in america's eye so to speak.

Yes Russia is a very lucrative place for women�s basketball. It�s hard for women to make anywhere near that kind of money in the US during the WNBA offseason.

Turkey and certain parts of Europe are other places that they travel to in order to get paid more.

The Brittany Griner incident apparently has a lot of women�s athletes rethinking playing overseas.

# ? Jun 27, 2022 16:53

Judgy Fucker: Mar 24, 2006

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

I haven't been following this case, but does anyone know why Russia seems to be going so hard on a WNBA star caught with "vape cartridges bearing traces of hash oil" and not other Americans?

She's been in prison for 5 months, will remain in prison for at least another two months, and could be sentenced to 10 years in a penal colony for "traces of hash oil" in an empty vape cartridge.

She was detained a week before Russia invaded Ukraine and Russia kept her arrest secret for two weeks, so it isn't even some weird form of retaliation for supporting Ukraine or sanctions.

The NYT article theorizes that it may be part of a plan to exchange her for other high profile Russians convicted of crimes in the U.S. If they were looking to arrest high profile people, seems like they could have piked someone else. It's not like Brittney Griner was a household name prior to this.

All speculation:

Arresting her prior to the invasion definitely could've been a pre-emptive move, not like Putin decided to invade just a few days prior to doing so and the U.S.' antipathy and response to the invasion should've been easily predictable.

She's not a "household name," no, because no WNBA player is, but she's a very high-profile player within the WNBA, and plenty of household name NBA players have been very publicly advocating for her release, specifically putting pressure on Biden to "do more" about the situation. Also being gay and a WoC could make her a stand-in for the "degeneracy" of the U.S as far as propaganda goes (though I have no idea if her detention is even common knowledge in Russia). She's an easy target because of her lack of profile in the public consciousness but high enough profile to matter.

# ? Jun 27, 2022 16:55

Ogmius815: Aug 25, 2005; centrism is a hell of a drug

Lol nobody wants to nominate Hillary for president again. Seems like someone is being taken in by GOP disinformation. But what else is new.

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# ? Jun 27, 2022 17:07

DarkCrawler: Apr 6, 2009; by vyelkin

Ogmius815 posted:

Lol nobody wants to nominate Hillary for president again. Seems like someone is being taken in by GOP disinformation. But what else is new.

I mean the whole thing started from someone saying she makes Trump seem humble - the latter being literally famous for being the least humble person in the world and possibly all of history for reasons I really should not loving have to repeat - so it was kind of doomed from the start.

# ? Jun 27, 2022 17:17

theCalamity: Oct 23, 2010; Cry Havoc and let slip the Hogs of War

https://twitter.com/johnkruzel/status/1541417767697530881?s=20&t=duHBxy_W7avJOiofaGwchQ

Unfortunately, this is the thing that will mobilize the moneyed media interests to call for substantial changes at the Supreme Court and not anything else.

# ? Jun 27, 2022 18:09

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

Hmm I wonder why he would want to be able to sue media organizations more easily? Probably no reason.

# ? Jun 27, 2022 18:11

Leon Trotsky 2012: Aug 27, 2009; YOU CAN TRUST ME!*

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theCalamity posted:

https://twitter.com/johnkruzel/status/1541417767697530881?s=20&t=duHBxy_W7avJOiofaGwchQ

Unfortunately, this is the thing that will mobilize the moneyed media interests to call for substantial changes at the Supreme Court and not anything else.

Just for context: Thomas has been saying this since the early 90's and he is the only one saying they should do that. He's also the only one talking about overturning the 14th amendment that forms the legal basis for things like gay marriage, birth control, etc.

# ? Jun 27, 2022 18:11

haveblue: Aug 15, 2005; Toilet Rascal

How much of that statement comes from the past few weeks of his wife being revealed as a highly influential seditionist?

# ? Jun 27, 2022 18:12

A GIANT PARSNIP: Apr 13, 2010; Too much fuckin' eggnog

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

It's a potentially bad ruling, but they didn't rule that.

They ruled that the public school can't prohibit the coach from praying on his own in the stadium after a game.

They ruled that he wasn't acting as a public employee when he did that, even though he was doing it as a reaction to a football game put on by the school and while on the clock. The school didn't renew his contract after he refused to stop praying on the field after games and the court ruled that since the first amendment doesn't ban public officials from personal religious expression and this prayer was a personal action he did by himself and not endorsed by the school or a requirement for anyone else, that they violated his first amendment rights by firing him for that.

Looking forward to getting a coaching job so I can scream �hail satan� at the parents in the stands after each game.

# ? Jun 27, 2022 18:23

-Blackadder-: Jan 2, 2007; Game....Blouses.

BiggerBoat posted:

This seems bad and reflects what a lot of posters here are saying as well. I'm genuinely not surprised.

https://apnews.com/article/2022-midterm-elections-biden-covid-health-presidential-e50db07385831e67f866ec45402be8b9

More than 1 million voters switch to GOP in warning for Dems

WASHINGTON (AP) � A political shift is beginning to take hold across the U.S. as tens of thousands of suburban swing voters who helped fuel the Democratic Party�s gains in recent years are becoming Republicans.

More than 1 million voters across 43 states have switched to the Republican Party over the last year, according to voter registration data analyzed by The Associated Press. The previously unreported number reflects a phenomenon that is playing out in virtually every region of the country � Democratic and Republican states along with cities and small towns � in the period since President Joe Biden replaced former President Donald Trump.

But nowhere is the shift more pronounced � and dangerous for Democrats � than in the suburbs, where well-educated swing voters who turned against Trump�s Republican Party in recent years appear to be swinging back

�It�s more so a rejection of the left than embracing the right,� said Smith, a 37-year-old professional counselor whose transition away from the Democratic Party began five or six years ago when he registered as a libertarian.

Lately it sure seems like eight years of Bush and four years of Trump hasn't taught anyone a single thing. Guess it's back to the classroom.

Raccooon posted:

This was pretty much expected since Biden�s victory was built on the shakiest coalition we have seen a Democrat have in a long time. It was only get rid of Trump and he did that so the coalition has nothing holding it together anymore.

It might end up actually being worse for the Democrats long term that Biden won with it in 2020 since they pushed away young people and their base to build this coalition and Biden is now very unpopular. The suburbanites will return to the Republicans and leave the Democrats with a shattered coalition.

True.

It also can't be overemphasized the absolute terrible luck the economy has been. Like, it's not even all that complicated why it's happening, but people really seem to struggle with concepts like context and nuance and when ignoring those things goes towards supporting conclusions they've already drawn, you'd have better luck explaining supply chain shock to a horse.

-Blackadder- fucked around with this message at 19:36 on Jun 27, 2022

# ? Jun 27, 2022 19:07

Yeowch!!! My Balls!!!: May 31, 2006

-Blackadder- posted:

Lately it sure seems like eight years of Bush and four years of Trump hasn't taught anyone a single thing. Guess it's back to the classroom.

well, it taught democratic leadership they don't have to lift a finger, just sit on their asses and trust Republicans will eventually gently caress it up enough they end up back in power

hard to argue with them, given that Joe loving Biden is president

# ? Jun 27, 2022 19:10

Automata 10 Pack: Jun 21, 2007; Ten games published by Automata, on one cassette

SMEGMA_MAIL posted:

If the GOP are going to dismantle the �democracy� we have next time they win perhaps the President I voted for could do something to reverse that? The people you think I should vote for again do not seem to think the situation is very serious, which is why I wouldn�t vote for them again.

Biden tried to pass voting rights reform, it didn�t pass the Senate.

# ? Jun 27, 2022 19:23

Butter Activities: May 4, 2018

Automata 10 Pack posted:

Biden tried to pass voting rights reform, it didn�t pass the Senate.

That�s a good step but it�s totally insufficient given that the 6-3 court will bulldoze civil rights and overturn any remotely close (or maybe not even close) election. The sheer inaction and complacency at this point from Biden is worse than nothing. They should at least be trying to impeach ACB or Kavanaugh. Preemptive condemnation of imaginary pro choice violence as the first action of the Biden administration when this came out is beyond the pale, and they clearly haven�t thought it about it much since.

At least Trump was so proud of being an rear end in a top hat that it inspired liberals to get out and do poo poo.

# ? Jun 27, 2022 19:29

Automata 10 Pack: Jun 21, 2007; Ten games published by Automata, on one cassette

SMEGMA_MAIL posted:

That�s a good step but it�s totally insufficient given that the 6-3 court will bulldoze civil rights and overturn any remotely close (or maybe not even close) election. The sheer inaction and complacency at this point from Biden is worse than nothing. They should at least be trying to impeach ACB or Kavanaugh. Preemptive condemnation of imaginary pro choice violence as the first action of the Biden administration when this came out is beyond the pale, and they clearly haven�t thought it about it much since.

At least Trump was so proud of being an rear end in a top hat that it inspired liberals to get out and do poo poo.

Republicans were pushing the �Biden is trying to steal future elections!� At the time and Dems are cowards, so it�s a dropped issue. I don�t know how Biden could push through any protections otherwise.

Maybe, hopefully they�ll make another shot at it after the 1/6th committee since that narrative is now at it�s weakest. But, y�know, Dems are cowards.

# ? Jun 27, 2022 19:37

Leon Trotsky 2012: Aug 27, 2009; YOU CAN TRUST ME!*

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Automata 10 Pack posted:

Republicans were pushing the �Biden is trying to steal future elections!� At the time and Dems are cowards, so it�s a dropped issue. I don�t know how Biden could push through any protections otherwise.

Maybe, hopefully they�ll make another shot at it after the 1/6th committee since that narrative is now at it�s weakest. But, y�know, Dems are cowards.

It was dropped because two Democrats didn't want to eliminate the filibuster or have a filibuster carveout because they thought that was the first step to eliminating the filibuster. Even Manchin didn't buy into the "voting rights is an attempt to steal elections" argument.

# ? Jun 27, 2022 19:39

Rigel: Nov 11, 2016

Automata 10 Pack posted:

Republicans were pushing the �Biden is trying to steal future elections!� At the time and Dems are cowards, so it�s a dropped issue. I don�t know how Biden could push through any protections otherwise.

Maybe, hopefully they�ll make another shot at it after the 1/6th committee since that narrative is now at it�s weakest. But, y�know, Dems are cowards.

It is not a dropped issue, it is a defeated issue. They even had a vote to change the filibuster, there is nothing left to do other than win elections. Failing to accomplish the literally impossible does not make you a coward.

# ? Jun 27, 2022 19:41

Timeless Appeal: May 28, 2006

The issue isn't really that the Democrats didn't try, it's just that they don't act with any urgency, and we're just out of time now. We're facing a climate catastrophe, the wheels falling off the US Constitution creating a non-functioning and entirely non-representative federal government, and we have a political party that by and large basically rubber-stamped a terrorist attack to undermine a US election. This is a trifecta of things that are going to make the 21st century an incredibly turbulent time. I'm optimistic and maybe we'll get out of it, but it's going to be a hard fight.

It's not like super lefty people were just sounding the alarms. Lots of pundits who people in this thread would decry as Libs were begging for the filibuster to be thrown out. We had a shot to not fix things, but at least stave off some of the effects of climate change and minority rule. These were not nice things to have, they were bandaids to stop the nation from just falling apart.

And unless the Democrats somehow pull an upset in November, or a Democrats wins in 2024 and we lose some Supreme Court Justices, we had a shot to at least make things more survivable and we didn't take the loving shot.

# ? Jun 27, 2022 19:41

some plague rats: Jun 5, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

Automata 10 Pack posted:

Maybe this decade, maybe next. The longer it can be delayed, the more opportunity of a changing factor can occur (however small of a chance) and the longer the marginalized class can prepare for the inevitable. Better tomorrow than today.

How, exactly? I mean if you've got any ideas I'd love to hear them

# ? Jun 27, 2022 19:47

the_steve: Nov 9, 2005; We're always hiring!

some plague rats posted:

How, exactly? I mean if you've got any ideas I'd love to hear them

All plans begin and end with VOTE, and trust that our betters will figure something to make it all work out instead of pissing away and squandering yet another opportunity for the umpteenth time they've had the reins of power.

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# ? Jun 27, 2022 20:02

VideoGameVet: May 14, 2005; It is by caffeine alone I set my bike in motion. It is by the juice of Java that pedaling acquires speed, the teeth acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my bike in motion.

Something must have happened recently ...

Congressional generic ballot, Marist

April
Republican 47%
Democratic 44%

June
Democratic 48%
Republican 41%

A 10-point swing to the Democrats post-Dobbs

https://www.npr.org/2022/06/27/1107733632/poll-majorities-oppose-supreme-courts-abortion-ruling-and-worry-about-other-righ

# ? Jun 27, 2022 20:02

Kalli: Jun 2, 2001

the_steve posted:

All plans begin and end with VOTE, and trust that our betters will figure something to make it all work out instead of pissing away and squandering yet another opportunity for the umpteenth time they've had the reins of power.

You have to admit, shortening thoughts & prayers to a concise 4 letters is pretty smart marketing.

# ? Jun 27, 2022 20:03

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# ? May 24, 2024 23:59

Doctor Teeth: Sep 12, 2008

VideoGameVet posted:

Something must have happened recently ...

Congressional generic ballot, Marist

April
Republican 47%
Democratic 44%

June
Democratic 48%
Republican 41%

A 10-point swing to the Democrats post-Dobbs

https://www.npr.org/2022/06/27/1107733632/poll-majorities-oppose-supreme-courts-abortion-ruling-and-worry-about-other-righ

also,

https://twitter.com/adambonin/status/1541492680416444416

(this is just some guy, but it links to the ppp poll)

# ? Jun 27, 2022 20:09

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