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Polgar learned a bunch from the old Soviet school so the Rapport-Firouzja endgame is basically heaven for her. Four rooks, three pawns, and no clear evaluation.
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Wait they drew? I'm laser focused on the Hikaru game but I thought Rapport was like +9?
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Jun 18, 2022 20:00
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Endgames are hard. Interestingly while the chesscom live broadcast had Rapport at +9, it only seems to give those positions +1 or so if you actually copy the game in (and so does lichess's web engine). This was the last position where the broadcast claimed +8 for white: 
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Remember that these evaluations are sort of meta-evaluations, representations of the actual evaluations of the position: a win with best play, a draw with best play, and so on. The "+8" doesn't mean that the position is easily winning, it means that there is at least one line which provides a win. It doesn't say anything about how easy that win is, or how obvious it is to find the winning line. In the actual position, white isn't immediately obviously mating black, which means that there are a ton of possible moves to look at and in a lot of them black gets a lot of counterplay. In a lot of positions, if black can organize doubling his rooks along a file, he'll have if not a guaranteed draw then very good chances at one. Further, if white isn't winning immediately, black's advanced d-pawn is actually pretty scary. From Polgar's analysis on chess24 stream, the difference in line evals likely comes down to R+P v R endgames, and telling wins from draws on those from 15 moves away is hard as hell. It's probably worth noting that, as I'm playing around on chess24's inbuilt engine, a lot of the 'best' lines the engine is giving are actually repetitions.
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Jun 18, 2022 20:32
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Yeah when I finally looked at the game with my engine I couldn't find where in the world any engine would give it +9
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Jun 19, 2022 13:47
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Nepo's in some real anguish vs Hikaru here, early in round 5
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Jun 22, 2022 16:10
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Omnikin posted:Nepo's in some real anguish vs Hikaru here, early in round 5 hikaru is maybe in time trouble here
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Jun 22, 2022 17:07
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wait they just agreed to a draw?
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Jun 22, 2022 17:08
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Nakamura created a repetition because he's low on time and his position is a bit flimsy. Nepomniachtchi's spent most of the game trying to not immediately lose, so he's happy to get out.
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Jun 22, 2022 17:12
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Hand Knit posted:Nakamura created a repetition because he's low on time and his position is a bit flimsy. Nepomniachtchi's spent most of the game trying to not immediately lose, so he's happy to get out. yeah i guess hikaru realized he had kinda blown his advantage and just wanted to end it early? we'll find out soon straight from the man himself i guess
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Jun 22, 2022 17:17
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Exactly that, from the man himself https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a82fMDkB2_Q
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Jun 22, 2022 20:33
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Did drunk Magnus show up to commentate because it sounds like Drunk Magnus made a global appearance
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Jun 22, 2022 23:26
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Omnikin posted:Exactly that, from the man himself That's really great to hear his analysis right after the game like that. The way he can rattle off all those deep lines he was pondering OTB so concisely is just awesome.
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former glory posted:That's really great to hear his analysis right after the game like that. The way he can rattle off all those deep lines he was pondering OTB so concisely is just awesome. one of the comments on his video yesterday was "you play better when you rely on intuition. stop thinking so much and just play the natural moves" lol
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Jun 23, 2022 03:34
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pictured: me not thinking and relying purely on intuition: lead to a strong win
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Jun 23, 2022 03:42
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Qa8 sure is a move 
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Redmark posted:Qa8 sure is a move i was planning for the discovered check but i had like 5 seconds left on the clock and forgot the king was stuck there, which is why i blocked his check with my bishop, hoping to allow my king to run out by taking the pawn and getting that check in
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I'm team Nepo again and I approve of how the tournament is progressing.Omnikin posted:Exactly that, from the man himself Fascinating, but I'm thankful YouTube offers a 0.75 speed setting.
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Jun 23, 2022 22:57
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I probably shouldn't be proud of this game, I made too many mistakes. I can't help feeling elated though, I shouted like I'd scored a goal at the end. https://www.chess.com/analysis/game/live/49886998109
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Jun 25, 2022 10:27
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rip fabi
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fart simpson posted:rip fabi
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Jun 26, 2022 17:38
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fart simpson posted:rip fabi This game went from rip fabi to what the gently caress are you doing, Hikaru, to rip fabi again so quickly that I'm dizzy.
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Jun 26, 2022 19:52
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Crazy game yeah. I could see Nepo imploding more than Fabi so Hikaru vs Fabi could be possible. Considering they traded wins here that would be a pretty interesting match.
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Jun 26, 2022 20:25
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I only caught a couple seconds of that Hikaru post-game interview, but Hikaru said something like "I don't know why Fabi would do this to me", and chat spammed something about disrespect. What was he referring to?
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busalover posted:I only caught a couple seconds of that Hikaru post-game interview, but Hikaru said something like "I don't know why Fabi would do this to me", and chat spammed something about disrespect. What was he referring to? I didn't see the interview but it might've been this?  In the youtube recap he posted he mentions that he thought Caruana might play it, though, so he prepared for it. So I'm not sure what he was on about. Maybe just stirring up chat?
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Jun 27, 2022 09:07
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ah yeah, that's probably it.
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Jun 27, 2022 09:38
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I really thought Fabi was going to pull off a miraculous save against Hikaru, and then I really thought he would convert his position today against Nepo. Disappointing.
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Jun 27, 2022 20:28
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i wish fabi won last night
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Jun 28, 2022 01:32
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So will Magnus just refuse to play Nepo again?
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V for Vegas posted:So will Magnus just refuse to play Nepo again? hold on, i'll ask him
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Just shitposting, but am I the only one disappointed about Nepo winning again? He got facerolled by Magnus last year in boring ways, not particularly interested in seeing him do it again. Obviously Hikaru would also get face-rolled, but the Fabi - Magnus games would at least be interesting. I really think Magnus' own suggestion that the world champ has to be part of candidates is really more-interesting, though. That's how it is done across most games. Imagine if DotA internationals was a massive bracket of contenders that had to play matches against last year's team.
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QuantumNinja posted:Just shitposting, but am I the only one disappointed about Nepo winning again? He got facerolled by Magnus last year in boring ways, not particularly interested in seeing him do it again. id prefer seeing pretty much anybody but nepo again yeah. he's having great results in the candidates this time around so maybe he'd do better in a rematch with magnus idk. fabi came a lot closer in his matchup with magnus a few years back though and as an american whos lived in china for over a decade, i am compelled to go for him, hikaru, and ding specifically, but it doesnt really look like anyone other than nepo or maaaybe fabi will actually get first place in this tournament unless nepo literally has a stroke or something
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QuantumNinja posted:Just shitposting, but am I the only one disappointed about Nepo winning again? He got facerolled by Magnus last year in boring ways, not particularly interested in seeing him do it again. Yeah, I'm not interested in seeing a Nepo rematch either. Although with the way he's played through this year's candidates, maybe it'd go differently (I wasn't really following chess during the last candidates)
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i also very strongly doubt hikaru would actually win a world championship match vs magnus. maybe fabi or ding could? what do i know
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QuantumNinja posted:Just shitposting, but am I the only one disappointed about Nepo winning again? He got facerolled by Magnus last year in boring ways, not particularly interested in seeing him do it again. I think the Nepomniachtchi match was better than the Caruana match because Carlsen actually respected Nepomniachtchi's rapid game. In the Caruana match, Carlsen's strategy was transparently "I'm going to half-rear end my way to twelve draws because Caruana can't hack it in rapid." And then he was right. I think there's a bunch of players who could win a match against Carlsen, but that's obviously separate from them being favoured.
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Hand Knit posted:I think the Nepomniachtchi match was better than the Caruana match because Carlsen actually respected Nepomniachtchi's rapid game. In the Caruana match, Carlsen's strategy was transparently "I'm going to half-rear end my way to twelve draws because Caruana can't hack it in rapid." And then he was right. could you?
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that one game in the nepo/carlsen match was worth the rest of them being bad imo
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If Nepo wins and Fabi finished second, and Carlsen follows through on not playing, a Nepo/Fabi championship match seems like it could be pretty great based on this tournament Or maybe months of intensive individualized prep would squeeze the life out of it and world championship matches are always going to underwhelm no matter who plays
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Nepo fought well and had Carlsen on the ropes once or twice, it was exciting. Then he lost a game and disintegrated which was again interesting, just in a different way. I believe he'd be psychologically stabler in a rematch, and with Carlsen possibly less motivated, it could be a close call. Fabi drew all the regular games and I don't remember him really threatening, or anything else interesting from that match. And he doesn't look any stronger now than he was then. I can't imagine why you'd want a repeat of that match, unless you're just rooting for an American player. Personally I'd even watch Karjakin rather than Fabi, politics aside.
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fart simpson posted:could you? I dunno about taking a game off him but if we include the possibility of him getting bored and leaving my odds of walking out champ look good.
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