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BULBASAUR: Apr 6, 2009; Soiled Meat

Some cool loyalist boiz

# ? Jun 26, 2022 06:24

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# ? May 24, 2024 18:41

Kharnifex: Sep 11, 2001; The Banter is better in AusGBS

Any recommendations on outfitting and collecting Iron Warriors? I am a bit lost.

# ? Jun 26, 2022 09:24

working mom: Jul 8, 2015

Robots and shooting, their bolters are shorter range but have pinning which is amazing for shutting down enemies

# ? Jun 26, 2022 11:07

Randalor: Sep 4, 2011

Are there any differences between the different marks of armor, or is it just that "historically" certain Legions preferred different armors, and gameplay wise, they're all the same?

# ? Jun 26, 2022 12:03

the_seventh_cohort: May 4, 2013

Gameplay wise, mk ii - mk vi are all the same. Artificer armor is ornate suits of any mark and give a 2+. There are differences for terminator armor, Tartaros being faster but less protective than cataphractii.

Lorewise, there are some preferences (DG and IW leaning towards mk III, Raven guard having lots of mk vi), but every legion had enough of every mk of armor that you could do any legion in any mk and still be 'lore accurate'.

the_seventh_cohort fucked around with this message at 12:54 on Jun 26, 2022

# ? Jun 26, 2022 12:52

DAD LOST MY IPOD: Feb 3, 2012; Fats Dominar is on the case

If I want my Mk3 dudes to be my heavy weapon dudes, are the forge world Ryza lascannons the ones to use?

Related: are squads of 10 lascannon dudes good in this edition? Seems so because of how nasty dreadnoughts are.

# ? Jun 26, 2022 13:59

the_seventh_cohort: May 4, 2013

The forgeworld ones would work great, although if the plastic heavy weapons kit with the lascannon is like the other boxes, they could be converted to work with mk III or iv with minimal effort.

# ? Jun 26, 2022 14:35

JcDent: May 13, 2013; Give me a rifle, one round, and point me at Berlin!

the_seventh_cohort posted:

Lorewise, there are some preferences (DG and IW leaning towards mk III, Raven guard having lots of mk vi), but every legion had enough of every mk of armor that you could do any legion in any mk and still be 'lore accurate'.

Another thing is that even at 3500pts, your army is such an insignificantly small part of the legion (notable exceptions: 1K Sons after Prospero, RG, Sallies, IH post Istvann), so your MK6 IWs might just be all the MK6s left in the legion.

# ? Jun 26, 2022 19:52

Froghammer: Sep 8, 2012; Khajit has wares
if you have coin

BULBASAUR posted:

Some cool loyalist boiz

Keep using Kruleboy shields plz

# ? Jun 26, 2022 19:58

BULBASAUR: Apr 6, 2009; Soiled Meat

DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:

If I want my Mk3 dudes to be my heavy weapon dudes, are the forge world Ryza lascannons the ones to use?

Related: are squads of 10 lascannon dudes good in this edition? Seems so because of how nasty dreadnoughts are.

10 lascannons are absolutely legit this edition and HS support squads are probably the cheapest way to pack them in

Froghammer posted:

Keep using Kruleboy shields plz

I got 30+ of em. Painted up like WS they'll sell the oni look, imo

# ? Jun 26, 2022 20:34

Mercurius: May 4, 2004; Amp it up.

Kharnifex posted:

Any recommendations on outfitting and collecting Iron Warriors? I am a bit lost.

In addition to the advice everyone else has given they're supposed to be putting out a PDF for rules of what they're calling 'expanded' units which will hopefully include Iron Havocs and the named characters again because right now they're missing from the main rulebooks. I was particularly surprised to see Iron Havocs missing since while they don't have a specific model they're an incredibly iconic unit to the point where they're the basis for CSM Havocs in 40k and you can very easily just build them out of MKVI marines with heavy weapon kits.

Also regarding the preferences for armour, I saw someone else say that doing something you don't want to do and complaining about it is peak Iron Warriors so MKVI armour should be fine for all of their armies and I agree wholeheartedly with that sentiment :v:

# ? Jun 26, 2022 21:30

Gato The Elder: Apr 14, 2006; Pillbug

Iron Warriors have some of the sickest looking unique units in the game. It would be a crime to play them and not field Tyrants and an Iron Circle maniple.

Otherwise just try to build something that feels fluffy and cool. 30k is basically historicals and imo it is the most fun when you and your friends are all invested in the narrative.

# ? Jun 26, 2022 21:57

Kharnifex: Sep 11, 2001; The Banter is better in AusGBS

Thanks lads,

I do have one Circle of Iron Robbit, and some custom space crusade dreadnoughts I had sculpted privately for 40k scale, im hoping I can proxy them as something. I also have some kind of horus heresy dread with all kinds of crazy weapons on it.

I'll post up some progress pics at some stage.

(not sure if its even able to be used as something for IW but oh well)

edit:

ok so the dread seems to be a knock off leviathan,

and i have the following, what should i rip the arms off and replace them with, also, normal marine base sizes? terminator?

I have an unopened AOD box set, Kratos and Deimos, as well,

I can modify these back to thunder hammer and shields,

These are normal short arse marines, they seem to be on 32mm? bases, should I just outfit them all with rotarys?

If i use my space crusade dread as a proxy dread, what size base would you recommend?

any recommendations on what i outfit these guys with?

thunder warriors

10 primaris sized guys, with a mix of stuff

Kharnifex fucked around with this message at 12:20 on Jun 27, 2022

# ? Jun 27, 2022 00:55

Jack B Nimble: Dec 25, 2007; Soiled Meat

What's the minimum recommend points size and board size for ZM? And maybe a recommended org chart restriction? Like Combat Patrol levels of ZM.

500 points, 2x2, 1 HQ, 1 Troop, 1 something else?

I'd like to craft up a minimum viable board and opposing force to let my friends play a bit with me.

# ? Jun 27, 2022 14:34

BirdieBedtime: Apr 1, 2011

Jack B Nimble posted:

What's the minimum recommend points size and board size for ZM? And maybe a recommended org chart restriction? Like Combat Patrol levels of ZM.

500 points, 2x2, 1 HQ, 1 Troop, 1 something else?

I'd like to craft up a minimum viable board and opposing force to let my friends play a bit with me.

You pretty much hit it in one. At 500 points you may want to plan ZM board with some more open spaces than the classic resin FW/card Necromunda tiles, though.

# ? Jun 27, 2022 15:59

Ristolaz: Sep 29, 2005; By completely blowing off my BS you have passed the first trial

Jack B Nimble posted:

What's the minimum recommend points size and board size for ZM? And maybe a recommended org chart restriction? Like Combat Patrol levels of ZM.

500 points, 2x2, 1 HQ, 1 Troop, 1 something else?

I'd like to craft up a minimum viable board and opposing force to let my friends play a bit with me.

Thats exactly the minimum points and board size for ZM. All points sizes use the same force org chart, with 1HQ 1 troop minimum, and 1 HQ, 4 troops, 2 elites, 2 fast attack, 1 heavy support, and 1 primarch optional

# ? Jun 27, 2022 16:04

Jack B Nimble: Dec 25, 2007; Soiled Meat

Cool, I was just guessing but HH is enough like older Warhammer that I could at least make an educated guess. If anyone has played at this level and has any recommendations for further restrictions, I'd appreciate it.

# ? Jun 27, 2022 17:35

Zuul the Cat: Dec 24, 2006; Grimey Drawer

Got my box & started slamming guys together. First two things are my praetors:

# ? Jun 27, 2022 17:50

Randalor: Sep 4, 2011

Zuul the Cat posted:

Got my box & started slamming guys together. First two things are my praetors:

Where are the helmets and shield from? Those look nice.

# ? Jun 27, 2022 17:59

Zuul the Cat: Dec 24, 2006; Grimey Drawer

The Deathwing Companions kit, I got the bits off ebay.

# ? Jun 27, 2022 18:05

Count Thrashula: Jun 1, 2003; Death is nothing compared to vindication.; Buglord

Alpha Legion, Headhunter Leviathal RoW

Praetor
Armillus Dynat
5x Lernaean Termies
5x Lernaean Termies
5x Cata Termies
5x Cata Termies
Contemptor
10x Tac Marines
10x Tac Marines
10x Tac Marines
10x Headhunter Kill Team
10x Headhunter Kill Team
10x Headhunter Kill Team
10x Headhunter Kill Team
Kratos with autocannon

That should be around 3k pts. Thoughts? It's mostly "make the best of what I have", assuming I can kitbash a Dynat.

# ? Jun 27, 2022 20:47

Broken Record Talk: Jul 28, 2009; A three-hundred thousand degree baptism by nuclear fire;
we had it coming.

Count Thrashula posted:

Alpha Legion, Headhunter Leviathal RoW

Praetor
Armillus Dynat
5x Lernaean Termies
5x Lernaean Termies
5x Cata Termies
5x Cata Termies
Contemptor
10x Tac Marines
10x Tac Marines
10x Tac Marines
10x Headhunter Kill Team
10x Headhunter Kill Team
10x Headhunter Kill Team
10x Headhunter Kill Team
Kratos with autocannon

That should be around 3k pts. Thoughts? It's mostly "make the best of what I have", assuming I can kitbash a Dynat.

Ditch the Termies and take more Contemptors, they're pretty much better in every way.

# ? Jun 27, 2022 20:51

BULBASAUR: Apr 6, 2009; Soiled Meat

Count Thrashula posted:

Alpha Legion, Headhunter Leviathal RoW

Praetor
Armillus Dynat
5x Lernaean Termies
5x Lernaean Termies
5x Cata Termies
5x Cata Termies
Contemptor
10x Tac Marines
10x Tac Marines
10x Tac Marines
10x Headhunter Kill Team
10x Headhunter Kill Team
10x Headhunter Kill Team
10x Headhunter Kill Team
Kratos with autocannon

That should be around 3k pts. Thoughts? It's mostly "make the best of what I have", assuming I can kitbash a Dynat.

My general list building advice is to avoid taking duplicate units unless you have a specific role in mind. Obviously this is a Headhunter Leviathal so you'll have a lot of those, but typically there isn't a single unit that does everything well. So with that in mind, what are the other duplicate units doing in your list.

# ? Jun 28, 2022 00:00

BirdieBedtime: Apr 1, 2011

I know that it's a "make the most of my collection" list, but I play Alpha Legion so I have some more specific thoughts and directions to explore. It's a lot of words, but what else am I gonna do, work?

If you're running Headhunter Leviathal, that Kratos is going to be in reserve, while your Contemptors won't. What loadout will your Contemptor have? It'll be your only anti-tank (outside of multimeltas on Headhunters) until turn two or three.
Merge both of those Terminator types. That lets you actually take a Contemptor (because otherwise you're using all four Elites slots), and means you can use Dynat to Infiltrate all twenty models with a unit to spare instead of spending all of his USR bonuses and still having five Terminators starting in your deployment zone. Don't forget that Lerneans are the only Terminators with Line, outside Pride of the Legion, so consider keeping them cheap and using them to bully Tacs off an objective instead of going straight toward the biggest badasses on the other side.
Where are your snipers? They score and they can seriously disrupt the other side of the board from turn one, and you need to start disrupting fast because a lot of your army can Infiltrate so they will be tangling with fuller squads than normal. (And the reverse is true, but you're Alpha Legion, you don't want a fair fight.) Taking out a couple of Apothecaries or in-unit power weapons before an assault starts will go a long way. Being Line, if there aren't enough unengaged units to shoot, they can always start scooting toward an objective in turn four or five.
Why a Praetor and Dynat? Dynat is a Master of the Legion, so you don't need a Praetor to unlock HL. You have access to an Exodus, why not take the game's best sniper? Also, where is Dynat going to hang out?
Future thoughts: the Fast Attack slots of a HL list are wide open. Do you want to look for Fire Raptors, since they start in Reserve anyway, or expand in to some Speeders? Javelins are 'cavalry,' not vehicles, so they start on the board. Also, you need two FA choices before you can bring that Kratos, but those can be a couple of Headhunter squads since they don't actually get bonuses by being taken as Troops.
Don't forget that you can take a single Reward of Treason outside of Coils. Consider a unit of Mor Deythan, to represent the presence of an Efrit squad; a darker paintjob and maybe some different heads should be plenty to differentiate them from the other Headhunters, rather than buy a whole other resin kit. However, there is a lack of WS5 in this list, so something that can tangle with an opposing assault specialist may be more helpful.

And of course, no list is set in stone. If you have all this stuff built, ya may as well try it a couple times and see what you like and don't like and go from there.

# ? Jun 28, 2022 12:55

DAD LOST MY IPOD: Feb 3, 2012; Fats Dominar is on the case

This is what I'm currently toying with for AL (Headhunter Leviathal):

Alpharius
Exodus
Centurion: Master of Signals, Nemesis Bolter

Contemptor Dreadnought with Gravis Lascannon
Contemptor Dreadnought with Gravis Lascannon
10x Lernaean Terminator Squad w/ 2x Conversion Beam Cannons
Dedicated Transport: Legion Land Raider Spartan with Searchlight
Legion Apothecarion

Legion Tactical Squad with Artificier Armor Sergeant
Dedicated Transport: Legion Rhino with Multi-melta
Legion Tactical Squad with Artificier Armor Sergeant
Dedicated Transport: Legion Rhino with Multi-melta

10x Headhunter Kill Team with Artificer Armor Sergeant
10x Headhunter Kill Team with Artificer Armor Sergeant

5x Legion Heavy Support Squad with Lascannons

I don't think Alpharius is actually very good but I like how he looks and want to try him out. He gives all three squads in dedicated transports Deep Strike. The Master of Signals seems essential to make it much more likely all my boys show up turn 2.

The other list I'm bandying around in my head is really crazy: I'm considering running a Loyalist Headhunter Leviathal detachment with a Mobius Configuration praetor, Exodus and a Vigilator, and then an allied Raven Guard Decapitation Strike detachment that's really low to the ground with a Delegatus to unlock the RoW, a single squad of tactical marines, and a squad of Mor Deythan with Nemesis Bolters. gently caress your characters (and I get +4 bonus VP if I kill your warlord).

Interested in any thoughts on these because I�ve never played any 30k before!

DAD LOST MY IPOD fucked around with this message at 16:07 on Jun 28, 2022

# ? Jun 28, 2022 13:20

Jack B Nimble: Dec 25, 2007; Soiled Meat

I made a basic spread sheet to cross check a 30k army against a 40k army, both using the HH boxed set (and some weapon boxes). Does the HH portion seem legal? Also, I'd welcome any advice or commentary on the troop choices.

# ? Jun 28, 2022 15:24

Broken Record Talk: Jul 28, 2009; A three-hundred thousand degree baptism by nuclear fire;
we had it coming.

Jack B Nimble posted:

I made a basic spread sheet to cross check a 30k army against a 40k army, both using the HH boxed set (and some weapon boxes). Does the HH portion seem legal? Also, I'd welcome any advice or commentary on the troop choices.

In HH your Support and Heavy Support Squad sergeants are going to be equipped with the same weapon as the rest of the squad, unlike 40k Devastator squads. Otherwise, I believe that checks out.

# ? Jun 28, 2022 15:59

Jack B Nimble: Dec 25, 2007; Soiled Meat

Hmmm. I can make that change in 30k and then that Sargeant just becomes another devastator in 40k, with one of the Bolt Rifle Marines becoming the Sargent in 40k. So that should work!

Jack B Nimble fucked around with this message at 16:11 on Jun 28, 2022

# ? Jun 28, 2022 16:06

Nancy: Nov 23, 2005; Young Orc

Stasis missiles seem dumb but neat, is there a use case? Unsure if the leadership test is something I can rely on or if Dark Angels have a reliable way to lower leadership. Stasis missile a squad and then hit them with a moderately punchy unit seems like a fun combo.

Also, are chain bayonets any good? They look cool and I'm probably going to take them because of that, but it'd be nice if the points were also worth it

Thinking of running a Stormwing army like this:

Two big Legion Tactical blocks with chain bayonets, vox, vexilla, augury, and Centurions (Power Weap + Plasma Pistol)
2 Support Squads (melta & plasma) in rhinos
1 Heavy Support with Missiles
Double Melta Contemptor & Double Melee Contemptor
Cata Termie Centurion Paladin of the Hekatonystika as the warlord

It's basically what I can field out of my AoD & BoC boxes combined. If I need to take it to 3k I've got the 15 Cata Termies and a Spartan, but I'm not as much of a fan of those.

# ? Jun 28, 2022 16:47

Broken Record Talk: Jul 28, 2009; A three-hundred thousand degree baptism by nuclear fire;
we had it coming.

Nancy posted:

Also, are chain bayonets any good? They look cool and I'm probably going to take them because of that, but it'd be nice if the points were also worth it

If the unit is going to get into close combat at all, they're extremely worth it. +1S and Shred mean you're going to be wounding significantly more against other Marines, and since losing combat often gets your entire unit run down and killed, it matters a lot.

# ? Jun 28, 2022 17:28

Jack B Nimble: Dec 25, 2007; Soiled Meat

Also, in the case of the big boxed set, I don't think there are any dedicated hand to hand units except for possible configurations of the terminators and dreadnought, so you may well be asking those tactical Marines to go into melee.

# ? Jun 28, 2022 17:40

Cessna: Feb 20, 2013; KHABAHBLOOOM

Endman posted:

I took a silly cinematic shot of my Word Bearers:

Goddamn, this is beautiful.

# ? Jun 28, 2022 18:07

Count Thrashula: Jun 1, 2003; Death is nothing compared to vindication.; Buglord

BirdieBedtime posted:

AL Advice

This is great info, thanks! I'll be the first to admit I have no idea what I'm doing with list building, since my only frame of reference is lore. So I appreciate the feedback.

edit-- Tweaked to:

Praetor
Exodus (just need to find a good kitbash)
5x Lernaeans (one with conversion beam)
Contemptor with lascannon
Contemptor with lascannon
5x Support squad with meltas
10x Tac squad
10x Tac squad
10x Tac squad
5x Headhunters
5x Headhunters
5x Seekers
5x Seekers
5x Heavy Support w/ missiles

Count Thrashula fucked around with this message at 18:45 on Jun 28, 2022

# ? Jun 28, 2022 18:20

TheLawinator: Apr 13, 2012; Competence on the battlefield is a myth. The side which screws up next to last wins, it's as simple as that.

Would the lernaeans be objective camping? I don't really know the point of having a conversion beamer on terminators unless they're going to be a ways away from the fight and then I don't really know why they would be terminators.

# ? Jun 28, 2022 19:51

Ghazk: May 11, 2007; I can see EVERYTHING

I ran 2 Larnaean squads last week with conversion beamers and was fairly happy with the results. Blind is a big deal when it lands, even if you're not optimizing the weapon's damage.

Ghazk fucked around with this message at 20:11 on Jun 28, 2022

# ? Jun 28, 2022 20:06

DAD LOST MY IPOD: Feb 3, 2012; Fats Dominar is on the case

TheLawinator posted:

Would the lernaeans be objective camping? I don't really know the point of having a conversion beamer on terminators unless they're going to be a ways away from the fight and then I don't really know why they would be terminators.

I think that�s the role for them. They�re Line, which is great, and they�re fairly tough to shift, but they�re absolutely not going toe to toe with other Legions� elite terminators or anything. However, they�ll make an absolute mess of anything WS4 in power armor.

Maybe two 5-man units would be better to camp two objectives at once? Can�t slap them both in a single Spartan but could put them in smaller transports.

# ? Jun 28, 2022 21:18

Feeple: Jul 17, 2004; My favorite part of this hobby is the rules arguments.

I'm considering running the Oops all Dreadnaughts Rite in Imperial Fists because I love the Contemptor and Deredo Dreadies. All I've bought so far is AoD and Fafnir, and I have a NotRogal Dorn printed up from a friend. Is this dumb? Not every Dread would have heavy bolters or assault cannons, as those are fun with Fists, but I think they'd lack punching through mechanized armor.

I also have some Knights and Armigers left from 40k I could fold in once Liber Mechanicus drops. Thoughts?

# ? Jun 28, 2022 22:45

Count Thrashula: Jun 1, 2003; Death is nothing compared to vindication.; Buglord

Lol I forgot that someone already mailed out 90 custom SoH shoulder pads before I changed my mind about the legion so whoops I'm sticking with SoH.

# ? Jun 28, 2022 23:59

Improbable Lobster: Jan 6, 2012; "From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.; Buglord

Gato The Elder posted:

Iron Warriors have some of the sickest looking unique units in the game. It would be a crime to play them and not field Tyrants and an Iron Circle maniple.

Otherwise just try to build something that feels fluffy and cool. 30k is basically historicals and imo it is the most fun when you and your friends are all invested in the narrative.

I hope my Iron Hands get some more units eventually. Immortals and Gorgon terminators are neat but I'd love one or two more that lean even more into the mechanicum connections

# ? Jun 29, 2022 00:01

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# ? May 24, 2024 18:41

DAD LOST MY IPOD: Feb 3, 2012; Fats Dominar is on the case

gently caress Your Characters

Exodus 165

Praetor: Rite of War (Headhunter Leviathal); Praetor; Nemesis bolter; Warlord (The Mobius Configuration) 140

10 Tactical Space Marines: Tactical Sergeant; 9 Tactical Space Marines 100

10 Tactical Space Marines: Tactical Sergeant; 9 Tactical Space Marines 100

10 Headhunters: Headhunter Prime; 9 Headhunters 225

5 Lernaean Terminators: Harrower; 4 Lernaean Terminators; conversion beamer 325

5 Lernaean Terminators: Harrower; 4 Lernaean Terminators; conversion beamer 325

10 Headhunters: Headhunter Prime; 9 Headhunters 225

Allied Legiones Astartes
Delegatus: Rite of War (The Decapitation Strike); Delegatus 85

10 Tactical Space Marines: Tactical Sergeant; 9 Tactical Space Marines 100
� Rhino 35

5 Mor Deythan: Mor Deythan Shade (Nemesis bolter); 4 Mor Deythan; 4 � Nemesis bolter 175

2,000 points

# ? Jun 29, 2022 00:08

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