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VikingofRock posted:I'm not optimistic here, because, you know, no one ever went broke betting that the rich and powerful in America would get away with crimes, but there is a pretty big difference here. In the three cases you mentioned, Republicans were needed to do anything. For the Mueller report, Mueller himself was a Republican, as was the head of the DoJ (lBill Barr), and for the two impeachments, 19(-ish) Republican senators were needed for removal from office. With the 1-6 commission, the DoJ could prosecute the case, and no Republicans are needed for that prosecution, aside from maybe those who have already testified against Trump. We'll see if they actually do bring the case, but they could. Even with the most dead-eyed cynical take, the one thing that will make a rich and powerful person do real time for white-collar crime is defrauding other fellow rich and powerful specifically. By that standard, it's people who knowingly wanted an armed angry mob to come face to face with Congress. As you say, that's no guarantee of any specific level of consequences. It's just that class loyalty is not a strong argument for Trump and his higher ups skating in this case like it would be for him just mismanaging the government and doing lots of fraud for the four years previous.
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Cimber posted:Well, lets see what Fox is saying.... pretty decent Fox News graph on gas prices on the right side there. Also I've seen a drop in the last few days even though The 4th is coming up? not sure what kinda of economic tea leaf reading that means. e: Taiko posted:The saddest part is that it was probably a really nice burger that someone who works in the White House Mess had done a really good job of cooking. "Well I know he likes it well done, but that doesn't mean there can't be flavor," the person said as they made the patty, seasoned it, and cooked it with care. Then it was carried upstairs and what happened happened. this is wrong, the white house chef and kitchen stopped trying to copy McD burgs in the first few months and just went directly to the source/nearest McDs. PhazonLink fucked around with this message at 04:26 on Jun 29, 2022 |
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PhazonLink posted:
Wait wait wait They tried to copy mccydees for trump? Can you link to any info on this I need to inject it into my veins
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PhazonLink posted:this is wrong, the white house chef and kitchen stopped trying to copy McD burgs in the first few months and just went directly to the source/nearest McDs. How delightfully devilish of them...
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https://twitter.com/writtenbyhanna/status/1541979085676716033?s=21&t=WvlYLeTfsItTCEonuCnVFw This is a failure of the executive. This is baaaad. Why did she bring up the child tax credit that doesn’t exist anymore?
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Jun 29, 2022 05:08
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"but do what now?" needs to haunt the democrats for yearrrrs it's such a hilarious anti-rally.
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Good Christ. Also from what I've seen of Conservative discussions on Harris, they would pay us all actual money if we ran her in 2024.
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Speaking of chud propaganda, that's a key thing the Dems lack, and it ties directly into their lack of any kind of ability at all with messaging. I'm going to do something strange and that is praise the chud propaganda, but I want you to bear with me. Remember in late 2015 and 2016 throughout the GOP primary? There was a popular series of videos called "You can't stump the Trump", that relied heavily on memes and used Krewella's song "Centipede" to help glue together a pro-Trump chud identity. They called him and each other nimble navigators, "pedes", those videos were a rallying point for the terminally online chud faithful and it helped create a community of proto-brownshirts where there wasn't one before. Hell, I was posting nonstop in the Dem primary threads about caucusing for Bernie in 2016 and even I found the Can't Stump The Trump videos to be fun (caveat, that is no longer the case and I now recognize them for what they are and I did not necessarily recognize them as such when I was stupid at 25-26 years old). That's very effective propaganda. That's just one example. You can use the Pepe meme as one, pick a 4chan meme out of a hat and it was used for propaganda purposes, but all of this begs the question: where was the Left's propaganda? Sure, you had Bernie "I am no longer asking..." memes, Gritty, and the like. But the Left's propaganda has always lagged far behind the Right's. The Left is awful at creating unifying messages that are simple and easy to digest - what's the Leftist counter to something like "nimble navigator" and the like? It seems stupid, and in a vacuum it is, but placed into context, the Left is far worse at any sort of community building either online or in person compared to the Right. The key to any ideological battle is in messaging - getting your view across to as many people as possible, as simply as possible. Leftists get bogged down in wonky policy and infighting that it prevents them from coming up with easy-to-consume unifying talking points, and this is going to continue hurting the Left going forward because there's just NO messaging whatsoever right now, let alone GOOD messaging, or messaging that can be turned into propaganda. We need to be able to distill our points down to memetic talking points if we are to garner any kind of support among the population. There's just too much going on at once for anyone to just go check a candidate's campaign site or research on their own. If we can't get our points across in two sentences or less, we will not be able to win people over. If you're explaining, you're losing, and the chuds figured this out a long time ago.
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-Blackadder- posted:Good Christ. "Guys! What if we ran Hillary, but worse in every respect!" -DNC
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So my wife was venting about the court ruling and then I was thinking about this thread and the discussion about the will X get prosecuted conversation... Some thing she said I think sums of the social effect side of this ruling: “It means they can come after you.”
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azflyboy posted:"Guys! What if we ran Hillary, but worse in every respect!" But Kamala is Lady ☑️ Not white☑️ A neo liberal ☑️ Popular ☑️ Why can't we run her? I say as I top off a quick glue huff and go into DNC HQ
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:But Kamala is I realize your post is sarcastic, but does anyone actually like Harris? I remember she initially generated some excitement for being the first woman of color nominated as VP, but that seems to have lasted about as long as it took for people to remember that her Presidential campaign went down in flames, she had been (metaphorically) in bed with the cops, and she's pretty terrible at interviews, so I'm unclear who she actually appeals to at the moment.
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azflyboy posted:I realize your post is sarcastic, but does anyone actually like Harris? She's a loving traitor to minorities and is an utter sellout. No one but old blue dog conservative Hispanic/Black people like her. No body likes her. She doesn't do well in any categories that would be needed to an inclusive coalition. If she was a Republican they would absolutely love her. (If anyone has evidence to the contrary I invite you to discuss it)
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:She's a loving traitor to minorities and is an utter sellout. No one but old blue dog conservative Hispanic/Black people like her. No body likes her. She doesn't do well in any categories that would be needed to an inclusive coalition. She spent her whole career sucking up to rich racists and throwing minorities in jail to assure said racists she was on their side, and as such has hit the highest level of favor a minority can reach in the eyes of the white elite: barely tolerated azflyboy posted:I realize your post is sarcastic, but does anyone actually like Harris? She's very much a Hillary understudy, from the inability to feel human emotion to the stone-cold certainty, based on nothing at all, that she will be president. Appealing to nobody at all is just part of the package. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Most of the KHive people on Twitter seems to be crossover die-hard Hillary supporters: middle age white women. Probably no coincidence that she hired much of Clinton's former staff during her presidential run.
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theCalamity posted:https://twitter.com/writtenbyhanna/status/1541979085676716033?s=21&t=WvlYLeTfsItTCEonuCnVFw Why would they even let her go on TV if she's this unprepared to answer possibly the most burning question on the topic?
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HonorableTB posted:the Dems lack GOOD messaging -Blackadder- posted:Been mentioned before but they actually hired an ex-ABC Producer to put together hearings and it's clearly paying off in spades. Here's a good read on it. One thing that's always been interesting in an "us vs them" comparison, that I never really realized until I started trolling r/Conservative and r/AskConservatives, is how much of the popular media space we dominate. Hollywood apparently suffers no Conservative. Awhile back I came across an article and book about a semi-secret private club in Hollywood for Conservative actors formed by Gary Sinise called the Friends of Abe. The descriptions of them complaining miserably into their drinks about how blacklisted and ostracized they were for being Conservative was hilarious and pretty dark. Hollywood Liberals don't play. Then there's "our" mainstream media, which is...mainstream, and theirs is this weird vestigial thing that doesn't even pretend not to be an arm of the GOP. There's reddit, twitter, et al. They have to build their own little online safe space out in Hooverville to not be constantly shouted down. State and Private College campuses: mostly ours. It's interesting, we have all that media space and we still can't get our messaging straight. We literally own Hollywood and the two biggest former-actor-turned-politicians ended up being two of the most monstrous Republican Presidents in history. I don't know what the answer is, but we need to figure it out and stop loving around with these people. -Blackadder- fucked around with this message at 07:15 on Jun 29, 2022 |
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Yinlock posted:She spent her whole career sucking up to rich racists and throwing minorities in jail to assure said racists she was on their side, and as such has hit the highest level of favor a minority can reach in the eyes of the white elite: barely tolerated Where has she implied certainty that she'll be president?
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Koos Group posted:Where has she implied certainty that she'll be president? Sorry, I should have clarified that that one's more of a personal bias based on how she frames herself as a Big Decision Maker in PR stunts, and the deluge of late-2021 stories about how she and Biden have become increasingly bitter at each-other over her being "sidelined". Harris always seems to be angling for something more politically while Biden wants her firmly in the court jester position he once occupied. "Certainty" is a stretch but I think she definitely wants to keep climbing the ladder. Yinlock fucked around with this message at 07:49 on Jun 29, 2022 |
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Papercut posted:Why would they even let her go on TV if she's this unprepared to answer possibly the most burning question on the topic? Two possibilities. Either she had an answer but decided that was the better one. Or two, that is the answer: we can't do anything.
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Hilary is purestrain East Coast Liberal White lady and has said some unbelievably racist poo poo in the past, but ironically, I thought she would've been decent in the chair. She had some of the most exec experience of any one coming into the job, I think. She stomped all over Trump in debates like an academic decathlete. She seemed to have put an extensive amount of work into prepping for the position by study and making sure she knew her stuff, maybe even more than Obama's nerdy rear end. (It's been awhile so I could be misremembering). The only real issue was likability/campaigning. Obviously those are important because candidates need to get elected to do the job. But it was frustrating watching what was basically the honor student; someone who was practically over-prepared, stand next to the kid whose three sentences of notes are wrapped in chewing gum in his back pocket so he basically just made poo poo up. Like yeah, these candidates need to get elected but, Trump had to have his own stupid name fed to him in briefing reports to keep his attention. It couldn't have been more cartoonish if you recruited a pet rock to fly the space shuttle. It would be nice if we could at least acknowledge that this is a job important enough to be done by a semi-competent, informed person, who values knowledge. I feel like things have gotten so bad that we haven't even bothered to shoot for that standard in a while. As for Harris, no black people I know, that know who she is, like her. -Blackadder- fucked around with this message at 08:04 on Jun 29, 2022 |
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-Blackadder- posted:Hilary is purestrain East Coast Liberal White lady and has said some unbelievably racist poo poo in the past, but ironically, I thought she would've been decent in the chair. I'm honestly hard pressed to think of a more "damning with faint praise" endorsement than "she always did all the homework." That is just absolutely brutal
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-Blackadder- posted:Hilary is purestrain East Coast Liberal White lady and has said some unbelievably racist poo poo in the past, but ironically, I thought she would've been decent in the chair. She was only "over-prepared" in the sense that she was too busy imagining the victory parade to actually do anything besides fundraise 24/7. I think she was also a complete idiot, just in an entirely different way from Trump. Also, while the media and her weird hate-cult mixed it with insane conspiracies and accusations of witchcraft, she did legitimately have a terrible history of corruption and warmongering. Honestly, neither of them should've been up there in the first place. One had no principles whatsoever and the other blindly copied the principles of the last person who spoke to him and said his name enough times.
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I think she was significantly more experienced and knowledgeable about the intricacies of the job than Trump was. But her ego seemed to be a major issue. Regardless the bar is too low.
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Both of them are products of absurd levels of privilege and entitlement with utterly alien views of the world. Though funnily enough I'm not sure if they qualify as worse than Biden, who basically stumbled into the position by default because of the utter dysfunction of the political party and desperate terror of the idea that someone might get elected who actually wants to change things. Chemtrailologist posted:Most of the KHive people on Twitter seems to be crossover die-hard Hillary supporters: middle age white women. Probably no coincidence that she hired much of Clinton's former staff during her presidential run. I mean was pretty clear from the start that the Clintonistas who didn't implode into full-blown PUMAs and down the pipeline to Trump supporters ended up coalsecing into the KHive, as basically an embodiment of frustrated privilege. Ghost Leviathan fucked around with this message at 08:22 on Jun 29, 2022 |
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Harris being weak and unpopular is a feature for the party power brokers, not a bug. The more help a candidate needs to stay afloat, the more leverage you have if you're in a position to provide that help, and the more compliant the candidate will be toward your goals
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-Blackadder- posted:I think she was significantly more experienced and knowledgeable about the intricacies of the job than Trump was. I mean... you know who else was "knowledgeable about the intricacies of the job" and always did the prep, and stomped all over his opponent in the debate, and "valued knowledge" and made sure he knew his stuff? Obama. And what did he do? Turned Libya into an open air slave market (at Hilary's urging!), murdered thousands of people including american citizens and countless children with drones, threw kids in cages at the border, criminalized whistleblowers, bailed out the banks at the expense of everyone in America, left Flint to rot, the list goes on and on. He was a bloodthirsty monster, just like Clinton, and if your metric for a potential leader is how much they remind you of Tracy Flick you're going to get led around by the nose every time (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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TheIncredulousHulk posted:Harris being weak and unpopular is a feature for the party power brokers, not a bug. The more help a candidate needs to stay afloat, the more leverage you have if you're in a position to provide that help, and the more compliant the candidate will be toward your goals While this is true, she's in the unique position of being so incredibly weak and unpopular that they can't actually do anything with her.
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TheIncredulousHulk posted:Harris being weak and unpopular is a feature for the party power brokers, not a bug. The more help a candidate needs to stay afloat, the more leverage you have if you're in a position to provide that help, and the more compliant the candidate will be toward your goals Perhaps, but she doesn't look to have much of a future beyond "candidate", anyone that hitches to her coattails will spend the next 4-8 years power brokering from oblivion while DeSantis turns the country into Florida.
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Chemtrailologist posted:Most of the KHive people on Twitter seems to be crossover die-hard Hillary supporters: middle age white women. Probably no coincidence that she hired much of Clinton's former staff during her presidential run. In the primary (except for her brief two week surge up to 15-20% in the polls), her support came primarily from black women with above average education between the ages of 25 - 50. So, young-ish to middle-aged black women with some college or a college degree. Middle aged white women preferred Warren, Biden, Bernie, and Pete.
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-Blackadder- posted:I think she was significantly more experienced and knowledgeable about the intricacies of the job than Trump was. But her ego seemed to be a major issue. Regardless the bar is too low. Clinton's experience was one and one third Senate terms where her most noteworthy vote was in favor of the Iraq War. And then she was Secretary of State for five years, where here most noteworthy accomplish was making Libya not a country anymore. And that's it Clinton was, second only to Trump, the least experienced major party candidate in decades.
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Gripweed posted:Clinton's experience was one and one third Senate terms where her most noteworthy vote was in favor of the Iraq War. And then she was Secretary of State for five years, where here most noteworthy accomplish was making Libya not a country anymore. And that's it She legitimately had a lot more high -level experience than Barack Hussein SuperAllah Obama. That was part of the whole "3am phonecall" thing (which of course also leaned heavily on her just living in the WH for a few years) It's just that as you say she dispositively proved that she was poo poo at both of those high-level jobs Failed Imagineer fucked around with this message at 13:06 on Jun 29, 2022 |
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azflyboy posted:I realize your post is sarcastic, but does anyone actually like Harris? Since i started voting in 1992, the only democratic presidental nominee I was Obama in 2008. Everyone else I've been voting against the republican and not for the democrat, even Obama 2012. I voted for Nader in 2000 (In NJ, so I knew Gore was going to win) not because I liked Nader at all, but because I was hoping we could get a viable 3rd party going. I really really wish there was a party that was centerist and loving admitted they were the center party, not claim to be the progressive party and then act somewhat centerist because they don't have a spine.
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TheIncredulousHulk posted:Harris being weak and unpopular is a feature for the party power brokers, not a bug. The more help a candidate needs to stay afloat, the more leverage you have if you're in a position to provide that help, and the more compliant the candidate will be toward your goals There is no point in power brokering for someone who cannot get into a position of power, though. Hell, even if you pull off a miracle and succeed in getting a weak and unpopular puppet into power, power brokering for them still has no meaning if they're too weak and unpopular to actually successfully enact policies that provide you with a return on your investment.
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Cimber posted:Since i started voting in 1992, the only democratic presidental nominee I was Obama in 2008. Everyone else I've been voting against the republican and not for the democrat, even Obama 2012. I voted for Nader in 2000 (In NJ, so I knew Gore was going to win) not because I liked Nader at all, but because I was hoping we could get a viable 3rd party going. You are incredibly lucky to live in New Jersey, then. They just formed a third party called "The Moderate Party" and will be running candidates and gaining ballot access in 2022. quote:New Jersey Centrists Seek to Legalize Their Dream: The Moderate Party https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/07/us/politics/new-jersey-moderate-party.html
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Except I live in New York now, but good for NJ. Lets hope that takes off.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:You are incredibly lucky to live in New Jersey, then. Fried Frank is a large international law firm. If you're a partner there, you're not exactly a "small businessman" but you probably view yourself as such because the individual person clients you might have are even richer. That moderate party idea is catnip to people like that.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:You are incredibly lucky to live in New Jersey, then. Ok but is this more about Democrats who want a party that's more honest about what it is, or Liz Cheney/Mitt Romney camp Republicans rebelling against MAGA-ism? Not that it likely matters much..
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