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keep punching joe posted:Good news all, queen's getting a pay rise. This rule ensures the queen will live forever.
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BalloonFish posted:The fact that the institutions that were around when the UK was an imperial superpower are still there seems to act like a mirage for people to project reactionary solutions to current problems, rather than progressive ones. Bobstar posted:I agree with the people above too. You can't fix everything just by abolishing the monarchy/lords/really stupid pageantry and demolishing the HoP to be replaced with a modern hemicycle with enough seats for everyone... but I'm not sure how anything can get fixed without doing that. But that's not a reason to continue tolerating all of that existing though, even though stopping it can be the start of the new reaction rather than the thing that puts it all to bed. BalloonFish posted:But I increasingly get the impression that the modern British state is a gordian knot of modern capitalism and age-old imperial institutional leftovers and imagery...and it's the latter that seems to be the looser end that seems more worth picking at.
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keep punching joe posted:Good news all, queen's getting a pay rise. She need paying back for Andrew, you think she was going to take that monetary hit, hah.
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https://twitter.com/lizziedearden/status/1542463433794326532?s=19 Cops are scum content warning
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On a different subject, this is a good (but predictably depressing) article about the legacy of the Olympics on east London and the complete failure of all the much-vaunted social and local benefits: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jun/30/a-massive-betrayal-how-londons-olympic-legacy-was-sold-out Although this bit does kinda dovetail with the talk about nostalgia. Who's behind it all?  quote:If there is a moment when the nature of the Olympic legacy plan began to take a fundamental turn, it was after 2008, when Boris Johnson was elected mayor of London. In the four years running up to the games, Johnson oversaw a radical change to the character and ethos of the vision. He was determined to make his mark: from the moment of the Olympic handover in Beijing – when he made headlines with his clownish flag-waving and talk of “wiff-waff” coming home – it was his Olympics, not Ken’s, and he wanted people to remember that.
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BalloonFish posted:Olympics To be fair, how could you not see it was going to be just for the corps and rich, just like any other world event the last 50 years. Best part of 2012 I remember was the 'brand police' telling shops and pubs to cover up their outside signs because those inside the brand enforcement zone could see them if they looked out.
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happyhippy posted:To be fair, how could you not see it was going to be just for the corps and rich, just like any other world event the last 50 years. Oh, I'm not in the least bit surprised that it's turned out exactly as it has. That article's all the more frustrating because it goes through all the genuinely good ideas that various people had at the start of the process, most of which were then filed off by all the usual suspects and the few good bits that survived are ruined by systemic problems, like those people living in what should be a model mid-density walkable community but who are having to pay multiple four-figure service charges to various corporations who then don't even cut the grass. And all while being slowly surrounded by cliffs of smoked glass from unrestricted development on the outskirts. Lovely.
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Also, if we did see the end of the monarchy, it would be followed by groups of people getting together and mumbling that "things were better when there were kings" - and I'm not sure the UK can afford the consequent dragon damage.
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Jun 30, 2022 13:13
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We'll get rid of this monarchy. Been too long since we had a proper succession crisis and the restoration of some guy off the street who turns out to be the last surviving Plantagenet would be funny at least
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the sex ghost posted:We'll get rid of this monarchy. Been too long since we had a proper succession crisis and the restoration of some guy off the street who turns out to be the last surviving Plantagenet would be funny at least It could be funny if Boris turns out to be a successor of Mehmed VI and the Ottoman Empire is reconstituted in Constantinopolondon
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Jun 30, 2022 13:41
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Failed Imagineer posted:It could be funny if Boris turns out to be a successor of Mehmed VI and the Ottoman Empire is reconstituted in Constantinopolondon Renaming London to "The City" would be pretty on brand for late stage capitalism as it slides into neo-feudalism.
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Jun 30, 2022 14:06
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Good case of nominative determinism I feel.
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Jun 30, 2022 14:08
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OwlFancier posted:Good case of nominative determinism I feel. Doubly so when the Riot Cops show up and steam into him
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For the uninformed rugby league people hate union and this will have gone down terribly https://twitter.com/rosshmediaman/status/1542492344162852864
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the sex ghost posted:We'll get rid of this monarchy. Been too long since we had a proper succession crisis and the restoration of some guy off the street who turns out to be the last surviving Plantagenet would be funny at least Pro strat there is going to be the Jacobites, who still exist and some random Austrian guy is in line for the throne, but not surprisingly they tend to be weirdoes.
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Jippa posted:For the uninformed rugby league people hate union and this will have gone down terribly I still don't know what the difference is, but I got my head metaphorically kicked in by CLP for suggesting a fund raising event involving the wrong kind of rugby - can't even remember which was the 'right' sort or the 'wrong' sort. (Seeing as I hate sport and if I were absolute dictator of the world, I would have a special chip fitted to all tvs etc so any one member of a household could block all sport being shown at all - but I digress) I thought it was pretty big of me to even suggest a sports event.)
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:I still don't know what the difference is, but I got my head metaphorically kicked in by CLP for suggesting a fund raising event involving the wrong kind of rugby - can't even remember which was the 'right' sort or the 'wrong' sort. (Seeing as I hate sport and if I were absolute dictator of the world, I would have a special chip fitted to all tvs etc so any one member of a household could block all sport being shown at all - but I digress) I thought it was pretty big of me to even suggest a sports event.) the difference is that RL covered up their British Coal sponsorship logos during the Miners’ Strike in solidarity, while RU has that quote, attributed to Orwell, about how the British right would be destroyed if someone put a bomb under Twickenham during an international
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While we're at it, bring back Sheffield Rules football imo
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Guavanaut posted:While we're at it, bring back Sheffield Rules football imo Always fancied a revival of that Aztec game with the severed heads. Maybe we could bring back revolutionary guillotines and dovetail the two initiatives?
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That'd be a good way of bringing the fair catch rule back to replace dangerous heading of the ball while still keeping the head involved.
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Troy Queef posted:the difference is that RL covered up their British Coal sponsorship logos during the Miners’ Strike in solidarity, while RU has that quote, attributed to Orwell, about how the British right would be destroyed if someone put a bomb under Twickenham during an international That quote was by communist, and father of a disappointing shithead, Philip Toynbee. Is the gist of your reference that RU are fascists?
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Tesseraction posted:That quote was by communist, and father of a disappointing shithead, Philip Toynbee. It's really a class thing. The whole split happened because northern clubs wanted to pay players expenses & lost wages for travelling to games, etc. Not even paying them a salary mind. And the southern clubs who dominated the RFU didn't want any of that. Much the same happened when the Football League was formed, look at where the teams were from: the furthest south was Aston Villa from Birmingham. Meanwhile look who'd dominated the early FA Cup, Wanderers who were formed by Harrow School alumni won it 5 of the first 10 years, & the other winners were Oxford University, Old Etonians, Old Carthusians, Clapham Rovers (inevitably made up of public school boys) & Royal Engineers (who as far as I can tell were all officers, not a single enlisted man in the side that won in 1875). Blackburn Olympic were the first northern team to win, in 1885, & low & behold northern & working class teams dominated the FA Cup & Tottenham Hotspurs were the next southern team to win, in 1901. Well, the RFU tried to stop the professionalisation, & they succeeded. Until 1995. League has no purchase in Scotland, just association football is the working class game up here. You can still look at the Scotland rugby team for a 6 Nations game & count on one hand the number of players who went to state school. But it's still fun to watch. Was fun to play too, aside from the massive concussion I got in one of the 3 games my school had a team while I was there.
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Darth Walrus posted:https://twitter.com/bat020/status/1542444875240689665?s=21&t=YsHEtQrBjTrGjSJDG_bd9Q
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Who is advising him that it's a good idea to outright say 'i have regular meetings with big corporations and operate based on their explicit instructions'. Who is saying that this is a good idea
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It is entirely on brand to simply demand the electorate be more like your serious business friends.
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the sex ghost posted:Who is advising him that it's a good idea to outright say 'i have regular meetings with big corporations and operate based on their explicit instructions'. Who is saying that this is a good idea It's amazing, 'look I've been talking to proper people who are actually important...' The stop Brexit guy is extremely cool as well, the more he makes the cops try to enforce new laws on protests the more they complain about having to enforce them.
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Been reading the short horror stories of Thomas Ligotti who considers himself a socialist and I feel like it's helping with my pessimism, despite him being the most pessimistic writer I could possibly imagine. The way he portrays corporations and factories especially.
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I prefer Union to League, but then again the only time I watch the egg chasing is when Scotland or Ireland are playing 6 nations games.
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Brits are an awful people but do most of us even want to keep the queen? Would there be big protests if a left-wing government totally abolished them? I don't think I've met more than a handful of people who earnestly like the royals beyond the few days off work they get because of them. At best people seem to just be indifferent. If they disappeared they might shrug, at best, but they're not exactly going to take to the streets. Maybe I'm not exactly moving in big monarchist circles though to be fair. How any normal person can look at the royals and be like 'ah, yes, more of this please' in 2022 is genuinely beyond my understanding. I love that the one big argument people make about keeping them is that they bring in more money in tourism than we spend on them, as if France isn't literally the world's most popular holiday destination despite literally decapitating theirs.
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Brendan Rodgers posted:Been reading the short horror stories of Thomas Ligotti who considers himself a socialist and I feel like it's helping with my pessimism, despite him being the most pessimistic writer I could possibly imagine. The way he portrays corporations and factories especially.
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ThomasPaine posted:Brits are an awful people but do most of us even want to keep the queen? I don't think I've met more than a handful of people who earnestly like the royals beyond the few days off work they get because of them. At best people seem to just be indifferent. Maybe I'm not exactly moving in big monarchist circles though to be fair. How any normal person can look at the royals and be like 'ah, yes, more of this please' in 2022 is genuinely beyond my understanding. Might be a bubble thing, I know people who go to visit the Magna Carta(s) in person at least once a year (they think it gives the royal family the right to rule us how they see fit, don't think they've even read a summary)
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Brendan Rodgers posted:Might be a bubble thing, I know people who go to visit the Magna Carta(s) in person at least once a year (they think it gives the royal family the right to rule us how they see fit, don't think they've even read a summary) I earnestly just can't believe this, my brain won't allow me to.
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Guavanaut posted:I like Ligotti, he takes the cosmic insignificance of humanity of Lovecraft and the deep ultrapessimism of Schopenhauer and instead of being a huge dick like they were errs more towards "we're all clockwork meat puppets wound up and sent off on the ceaseless march towards death, but there's no need to make that any more horrific for each other on purpose." Yeah that's kinda how I'm feeling having read him for the first time, I'm not sure how to describe it. Kinda like I'm now more at peace with being a meat puppet. I know it's not just me. There's a kind of collective hope in that, somewhere.
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I feel like if you took the horror of insiginficance out of lovecraft, then the only thing left is racism. So it's hard to imagine lovecraft without that.
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ThomasPaine posted:I earnestly just can't believe this, my brain won't allow me to. It's idolatry, don't need to read something to worship it, or to make a nice day out of it with an early drink.
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