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Pryor on Fire posted:Let’s be real here, the Abrams is a super heavy tank and cannot cross any bridge in the USA without it collapsing. Thats probably more an effect of how they're not maintained more than the weight of the Abrams gradenko_2000 posted:Pentagon Wars sequel lookin' good Isn't this going on with the Bradley replacement right now anyway?
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Delta-Wye posted:finally, a reliable m4-patterned rifle
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"On sale: Authentic M4. Only shot twice." -Ernest Hemingway
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Pryor on Fire posted:Let’s be real here, the Abrams is a super heavy tank and cannot cross any bridge in the USA without it collapsing. Fat American hamburger tank
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$20m dollars per tank for a light tank. And that’s before the inevitable overruns
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a quick googling shows a t80 and t90 to be in the very rough $3M range fancy pants t14 is closer to $4M im sure its 4-6 times better lmao
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Danann posted:womp womp maybe should they the MIC guys more
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The army is lowering recruitment standards. When Russia did this recently it meant they were in deep trouble. https://www.military.com/daily-news...GqEcWb2PBo59yyw
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Frosted Flake posted:They have been trying to get a new light tank since the 70’s, I’m a bit surprised they got it through this time. they put a modernized abrams turret on top of this: https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a37093035/british-armored-vehicle-making-soldiers-sick-problems/
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The Oldest Man posted:they put a modernized abrams turret on top of this: lol jfc.
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The Oldest Man posted:they put a modernized abrams turret on top of this: Shaken Troop Syndrome
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SIDS (sudden infantry death syndrome)
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The Oldest Man posted:they put a modernized abrams turret on top of this: I love the power these companies have. British army - 'these vehicles you sold us are hosed' GD - 'nah'
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Regarde Aduck posted:I love the power these companies have. deindustrialization working as intended
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Danann posted:https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/30/politics/us-hypersonic-missile-test-fails/index.html China has had an operational hypersonic weapon in that same class since 2019. But we still have better technology right guys? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DF-ZF
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cat botherer posted:China has had an operational hypersonic weapon in that same class since 2019. But we still have better technology right guys? they stole the tech from the US through Huawei's time travel technology
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i dont understand why its strategically necessary for us to have a hypersonic weapon. it was built to get passed OUR missile defense system. (i know its politically/economically "necessary")
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We probably already have a Mastersonic weapon that can catch anything and beat all defenses but they are super limited so you better shoot Mewtwo with it.
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Real hurthling! posted:i dont understand why its strategically necessary for us to have a hypersonic weapon. it was built to get passed OUR missile defense system.
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Palladium posted:deindustrialization working as intended A lot of it has to do with the privatization of state arsenals and military procurement. I posted about it in the Ukraine thread, but the Brits gutted their civil service and replaced them with McKinsey consultants. They also reduced and partially privatized the Army offices responsible for procurement. As a result, they have hardly any influence on the purchasing process, and as the industries are all privatized, are not able to shape designs to their needs. With no competition, they also essentially have to buy what’s being offered, not only for lack of alternatives but also because GD and BAE are very, very savvy about running to the British tabloid press about how many British Jobs  will be lost if they don’t sign off on the latest lemon.I can look for the passage because this is 1:1 a result of neoliberalism and got out of control under Thatcher. The SA 80 was the first product of the privatized defence industry, and the build quality was lovely in large part because of the closure of the unionized, state owned arsenal that used craftsmen on scholarships and apprenticeships instead of lower paid assembly line workers from a poorer part of England, at lower wages.
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I tried to find in vehicle videos of the Ajax while in motion but came up with nothing, is it just a really lovely suspension?
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Palladium posted:they stole the tech from the US through Huawei's time travel technology The North Koreans are developing a system too... everyone has got time machines now. Pryor on Fire posted:I tried to find in vehicle videos of the Ajax while in motion but came up with nothing, is it just a really lovely suspension? Yeah videos exist out there, but the issue is the weight. It is way too heavy (probably due to the significant armor/large turret) for its suspension. In addition, the headroom inside isn't enough for average soldiers, so they would have to make it even heavier if they wanted troops to actually use it. Basically, there was no one that said "hold up we can't just keep on adding armor to this thing." ---- Also, they were going cost 8-9 million each, compared to a $300,000 BTR-82A. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 19:24 on Jul 1, 2022 |
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Real hurthling! posted:i dont understand why its strategically necessary for us to have a hypersonic weapon. it was built to get passed OUR missile defense system. Russia and China both have missile defense systems, so if we want to be able to threaten to kill millions in a first strike, we need fancier toys https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missile_defense_systems_by_country
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Trabisnikof posted:Russia and China both have missile defense systems, so if we want to be able to threaten to kill millions in a first strike, we need fancier toys I like how russia used their single allowed missle defense system to protect Moscow, and the USA used theirs to protect a fallout shelter for government officials
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are the exoatmospheric defense systems especially effective? seems like one of those things that looks good on paper or in a controlled test but would be hard tasked in a live war
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Ardennes posted:Yeah videos exist out there, but the issue is the weight. It is way too heavy (probably due to the significant armor/large turret) for its suspension. In addition, the headroom inside isn't enough for average soldiers, so they would have to make it even heavier if they wanted troops to actually use it. Pentagon Wars Part 2: Grift Harder
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indigi posted:are the exoatmospheric defense systems especially effective? seems like one of those things that looks good on paper or in a controlled test but would be hard tasked in a live war i imagine the nuclear ones are fairly effective
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this reminded me we spent billions trying to put massive linear accelerators into space, the internal propaganda about included a top secret video narrated by Charlton Heston https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cm6B3edLyec and every time a needed improvement is mentioned in this video, the actually improvement is for multiple orders of magnitude. so they needed to make every single part 10x better for the basic design to work lol.
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cat botherer posted:China has had an operational hypersonic weapon in that same class since 2019. But we still have better technology right guys? America had the hypersonic Pershing II in the eighties. America is worse at making weapons than it was 40 years ago.
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Weka posted:America had the hypersonic Pershing II in the eighties. America is worse at making weapons than it was 40 years ago. yeah and all the space shuttles have either blown up or been retired too america's died and all the remaining assets are up for sale
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Weka posted:America had the hypersonic Pershing II in the eighties. America is worse at making weapons than it was 40 years ago. Admittedly, Pershing 2 was an intermediate ballistic missile, contemporary Russian/Chinese missiles are a lot more advanced but yeah we don’t even produce those any more.
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Ardennes posted:Admittedly, Pershing 2 was an intermediate ballistic missile, contemporary Russian/Chinese missiles are a lot more advanced but yeah we don’t even produce those any more. You don't need Pershings to bomb brown people hospitals, too much collateral damage
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That is a bold statement, those are mostly 1980s era wrecks and the Taliban has been parading around captured American vehicles after the war. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 07:26 on Jul 2, 2022 |
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Ardennes posted:Yeah videos exist out there, but the issue is the weight. It is way too heavy (probably due to the significant armor/large turret) for its suspension. In addition, the headroom inside isn't enough for average soldiers, so they would have to make it even heavier if they wanted troops to actually use it. I'm sure putting applique armor and a 120mm smooth bore on top fixed this
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The Oldest Man posted:I'm sure putting applique armor and a 120mm smooth bore on top fixed this Yeah it is unclear how this thing is supposed to work out. I don’t know how light tanks are suppose to work with US doctrine since these things are going to be too heavy to airdrop, too lightly armored for a peer conflict, and too much for low intensity. (Any relatively modern ATGM can take it out, there is no way to properly armor it considering its size/weight.)
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