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Failboattootoot posted:Someone explained it in one of these threads, it's an agreement to get 80ish republicans in to also get 150 dems in without trouble. That's the deal, will Mitch screw Biden on this? Prior to this opening coming up I would have said no just because it was dem justices now for a ky judge later should the opportunity arise, but with the opening now, who knows? That was the deal Democrats struck with Republicans when Trump was President. This deal is that Mitch will stop delaying all judicial nominees for the rest of the year if Biden nominates his friend to be a Kentucky Circuit Court Judge. The red state Republican Senators still aren't going to blue slip for circuit vacancies in their state, but Mitch will let all the blue state judges get a vote without requiring 72 hours of delay between every procedural vote, which makes a nomination take at least a week per judge.
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I find it difficult to believe that Mitch will turn down an opportunity to screw Biden on a deal.
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haveblue posted:If it’s 150 Dem judges and then 80 GOP judges it might be a good deal. Anything else runs a severe risk of getting hosed But why would the GOP ever agree to such a thing? We have a pretty long and storied history of the GOP playing Lucy with the football with Dems whose brain damage is so severe that they're still running the playbook on Bill Clinton's Third Way politics.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:What did she think she was getting into? Biden's inner circle and Harris' inner circle reportedly get along very badly, too. We won't know the juicy details till the tell-all books start popping up in a few years, but plenty of staffers have been leaking gossip to the political press. As the story goes, Harris' camp feel that Biden isn't giving her chances to politically shine, while the Biden camp is wary of her ambitions and feels that she's flubbed the chances she's been given. As a result, the relationship between their groups is unusually tense. It's all anonymous sources, of course, so it could very well be false. But it's been a consistent narrative basically since Biden won the primary.
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Main Paineframe posted:Biden's inner circle and Harris' inner circle reportedly get along very badly, too. We won't know the juicy details till the tell-all books start popping up in a few years, but plenty of staffers have been leaking gossip to the political press. Christ those books will be the most boring poo poo of all time. Hard to see any readership for them outside giga-lanyard acolytes of the Pod Jons, especially since they'll be published in a few years time when Re-President Trump has enacted the WH40K Imperium and it's raining ketchup from a lacerated sky
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:This deal is that Mitch will stop delaying all judicial nominees for the rest of the year if Biden nominates his friend to be a Kentucky Circuit Court Judge. The red state Republican Senators still aren't going to blue slip for circuit vacancies in their state, but Mitch will let all the blue state judges get a vote without requiring 72 hours of delay between every procedural vote, which makes a nomination take at least a week per judge. This is another case where the Senate, by simple majority, could change its own rules to reduce those delays, but won't.
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Agree again about the Democrats' problem with messaging and that the GOP is much better at it. The RWM/GOP approach is the same as any other ubiquitous company or product like Coke, McDonalds, Budweiser, etc. who spend millions of dollars to remind people that they exist on every Super Bowl. Why? It's just repetition and it's that simple. This poo poo crawls into your head whether you realize it or not, even for people who go out of their way to avoid ads. The GOP is consistently able to frame issues this way - sometimes subtly and sometimes aggressively - but the point is that they succeed this way through things like word association and simple framing. They also keep it loving simple most of the time. The things that the democrats (ostensibly) stand for are almost all quite popular as well as being on the correct side of most issues and shouldn't require a downloadable 3 page pdf to explain. This is politics and marketing. Advertising 101. It has to fit on a bumper sticker, be catchy, repeated constantly and have a chance to soak into the conversation, which will eventually effect framing and the overall narrative. I think a lot of it has to do with the relationship between salespeople and political affiliation. I don't think I've ever met a sales rep who was a democrat; or at least a successful one. Republicans seem to have their eye on the prize, have no shame, are generally unified and disciplined in their message and seem to understand that they are SELLING SOMETHING. This is just one of the problems with the DNC but it's a big one and I wish they'd work on it. Especially when they're right. It should even be an easier sell when it's popular, true and supported by facts but my god do they ever suck at this.
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Main Paineframe posted:Biden's inner circle and Harris' inner circle reportedly get along very badly, too. We won't know the juicy details till the tell-all books start popping up in a few years, but plenty of staffers have been leaking gossip to the political press. I am not shocked by that at all. harris is a moron who fell upward and got picked because Biden wasn't sure if Duckworth was legally able to get the VP slot. harris is a worse clinton and i think she loses the primary(the big party dipshits all dislike her too apperently) so it will be Pete or hopefully fetterman or etc in 28 or earlier or whatever. haveblue posted:If it’s 150 Dem judges and then 80 GOP judges it might be a good deal. Anything else runs a severe risk of getting hosed yeah was the judges deal apparently, she wants to retire upward and you can basicaly chose your successor then. biden refuses and she stays on and nothing changes or she gets replaces by some other red dipshit in a red area except maybe possible blue AGs. this poo poo happened under trump all the time, its just noticed now because of chuds killing roe.
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Bishyaler posted:But why would the GOP ever agree to such a thing? We have a pretty long and storied history of the GOP playing Lucy with the football with Dems whose brain damage is so severe that they're still running the playbook on Bill Clinton's Third Way politics. What are some historical examples of this comparable to the current situation?
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BiggerBoat posted:Agree again about the Democrats' problem with messaging and that the GOP is much better at it. The RWM/GOP approach is the same as any other ubiquitous company or product like Coke, McDonalds, Budweiser, etc. who spend millions of dollars to remind people that they exist on every Super Bowl. Why? agreed but i think part of the issue is the Dems/progressives has a different audiance then the GOP and the GOP has had almost 50 years of frying their bases brains on an industrial scale to the point that it is starting to hurt them because actual true believer psychos win the primaries and have way harder times in generals. dems and progressives are like hearding cats or that religion joke about sects and hearecy. most people agree on end goals but not on how to get to them or what the end goals entail. so its alot harder to make a coherent message. my view is i am just tired of the leader shipliving in the late 70s both in age and time period.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:That was the deal Democrats struck with Republicans when Trump was President. What's your source for this, exactly? The reporting today is that the deal has Biden getting two US attorneys confirmed for Kentucky in exchange, which needless to say is a horrible trade BiggerBoat posted:Agree again about the Democrats' problem with messaging and that the GOP is much better at it. The RWM/GOP approach is the same as any other ubiquitous company or product like Coke, McDonalds, Budweiser, etc. who spend millions of dollars to remind people that they exist on every Super Bowl. Why? The Democrats are great at messaging though is the thing. They just use it to condition their own base and it's worked incredibly well. Like just picking a random example that's come up recently, but "Lieberman singlehandedly crippled Obama's supermajority" was so successfully propagated as an idea that people invoke his name(in this very thread, even) to defend Obama's abandonment of FoCA despite Lieberman being ardently pro-choice and having zero conceivable reason to object to codifying what was considered settled law TheIncredulousHulk fucked around with this message at 21:01 on Jul 1, 2022 |
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Here’s a thread on the deal: https://twitter.com/mjs_dc/status/1542936979716857856?s=21&t=ooU347hRK6EfxM_Oo_nVAg Lifetime appointment judge for 2 attorneys that will be back in private practice potentially by 24
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Dapper_Swindler posted:I am not shocked by that at all. harris is a moron who fell upward and got picked because Biden wasn't sure if Duckworth was legally able to get the VP slot. harris is a worse clinton and i think she loses the primary(the big party dipshits all dislike her too apperently) so it will be Pete or hopefully fetterman or etc in 28 or earlier or whatever. Pritzker's coming out strong. Really like Fetterman too, so I'm hoping his recovery is going well. It's a foolish man who ignores his own health, it's what enables him to take care of his responsibilities. Pete, don't really know much about other than being a competent speaker, from what I hear, ain't really much to the man beyond that, but maybe we'll see. -Blackadder- fucked around with this message at 21:09 on Jul 1, 2022 |
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selec posted:Here’s a thread on the deal: Then Biden shoots it down and nothing changes. Either ends the same way basically because the current judge is relatively young for a judge and isn’t dying any time soon and probably won’t be replaced by Biden or whoever comes after by their choice. -Blackadder- posted:Pritzker's coming out strong. Pete is ok. Prefer others though.
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Are these the positions that Trump got around this by just making everybody "acting" this or that and just leaving them there? Sounds like they're out the door in 24 anyway?
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Dapper_Swindler posted:Then Biden shoots it down and nothing changes. Either ends the same way basically because the current judge is relatively young for a judge and isn’t dying any time soon and probably won’t be replaced by Biden or whoever comes after by their choice. why would biden shoot it down he sought out this deal himself
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They will probably just stop at abortion https://twitter.com/noliewithbtc/status/1542928035384532995?s=21&t=VwxiXtkPB2ZP8oSFmCTcTw
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marshmonkey posted:They will probably just stop at abortion Great news. Let's send out a quick funding reminder and secure $15 a person
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marshmonkey posted:They will probably just stop at abortion I am sure that kinda of insane poo poo will help them win over moderates for sure. loving nutjob. also most of the "good" candidates for governor in Michigan got caught up in big scandals and were forced to drop out. so its the nutjobs left. Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 21:46 on Jul 1, 2022 |
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I think the Democrats' problems go far deeper than messaging, but one of the big impediments to strong messaging is that Democratic voters are a huge coalition duct taped together and without all that much in common except acting as opposition to extreme social conservatism. The party can't settle on a clear message because something like economic populism is alienating to the PMC; they're nervous about going hard on social issues because they're trying to hold on to a lot of moderates; etc. It's why they function decently when they just have to yell about how much Republicans are terrible, but can't settle on anything positive themselves. Even the party representatives are also unable to come to agreement on a coherent platform - how do you sell that? Long term, the coalition needs to die and realign, but right now they're trying to alienate the part of the coalition that has energy, which seems counterproductive to me.
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marshmonkey posted:They will probably just stop at abortion Who the Hell is thinking they'll stop at abortion? If they can blatantly go against popular policy with no repercussions why wouldn't they just keep doing whatever the gently caress they feel like doing?
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Who the Hell is thinking they'll stop at abortion? If they can blatantly go against popular policy with no repercussions why wouldn't they just keep doing whatever the gently caress they feel like doing? no one outside the dumbest of dumbs but going after incredibly popular poo poo and basicaly flipping the settled status quo that fucks over half the population at least, doesnt help them with folks outside their base and weird religious nuts.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Who the Hell is thinking they'll stop at abortion? If they can blatantly go against popular policy with no repercussions why wouldn't they just keep doing whatever the gently caress they feel like doing? Andrew Sullivan was resolute that the GOP barely even wanted to overturn Roe, and only did it because the woke mob dared them. He was foaming at trans folk just weeks ago and now blinked and went "Huh, seems my conservative friends still hate gays, who knew? How could this happen?"
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Sephyr posted:Andrew Sullivan was resolute that the GOP barely even wanted to overturn Roe, and only did it because the woke mob dared them. He was foaming at trans folk just weeks ago and now blinked and went "Huh, seems my conservative friends still hate gays, who knew? How could this happen?" so a moron then. so far its only morons and people who arnt grognards about politics. also decorem dems who say it for different reasons for audiences and probably to themselves.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:agreed but i think part of the issue is the Dems/progressives has a different audiance then the GOP and the GOP has had almost 50 years of frying their bases brains on an industrial scale to the point that it is starting to hurt them because actual true believer psychos win the primaries and have way harder times in generals. dems and progressives are like hearding cats or that religion joke about sects and hearecy. most people agree on end goals but not on how to get to them or what the end goals entail. so its alot harder to make a coherent message. my view is i am just tired of the leader shipliving in the late 70s both in age and time period. Maybe. And i get some of what you're saying but still think you can boil things down to their essence and fit it on a banner or a t-shirt. At least for the most part. But I see what you mean where, with Republicans, you just have to stick a flag on it, hand someone a bible and talk about how everyone should shoot a gun and you've got 80% of the party right there. Throw in tax cuts and you're up to 90 or 95. USA USA USA is pretty basic and they've commandeered the idea and what it means to be a patriot. Or a christian for that matter. Thing is though, left leaning policies are broadly popular and supported - even among Republicans when they are worded the right way. Even something as innocuous as "politically correct" is essentially just encouraging people to, hey, try not to be a dick to people every now and then but the GOP has framed it as censorship and an assault on free speech just because comedians should maybe try not to call people f**s or ch***s or something peppered with a lot of "how come black people are allowed to say the n word" bullshit. I overhear it constantly from people bitching about how comedians aren't allowed to be funny anymore and "you can't say anything!" and I don't offend easily but I'm not gonna go to bat for some of Eddie Murphy or Sam Kinison's poo poo from the 80's anymore, even though I find both of those dudes funny. Sorry. That post was kinda all over the place
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BiggerBoat posted:Maybe. And i get some of what you're saying but still think you can boil things down to their essence and fit it on a banner or a t-shirt. At least for the most part. But I see what you mean where, with Republicans, you just have to stick a flag on it, hand someone a bible and talk about how everyone should shoot a gun and you've got 80% of the party right there. Throw in tax cuts and you're up to 90 or 95. USA USA USA is pretty basic and they've commandeered the idea and what it means to be a patriot. Or a christian for that matter. nah your fine and i get it. i think the issue is "broadly popular if worded right" because a ton of people have different ideas of how it would be done or what they want the end goal to be like with UHC and such, where as the GOP just want to tear poo poo up and its easier to make a message of destorying something then creating something. gently caress idk.
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I feel like Republicans have spent so much time as the opposition party, where many of their positions are just culture war topics they use to rile people up, without ever having to face the consequences of how people would react in real life if they ever actually implemented those positions. It's like Brexit: American Culture War Edition A national ban on Abortion, for example, has something like 7% support with the public. Republicans better hope they do lock in some kind of permanent minority, because if they follow through on implementing all the cartoon culture war nonsense they've been using to get votes, they're gonna see some serious poo poo. The statistical realities of messing with women's healthcare and exposing millions of women to increased chances of medical issues and accidents like what happened in Ireland is going to be a real shocker. "Dog that caught the car" doesn't even begin to describe what the GOP caught hold of. -Blackadder- fucked around with this message at 22:56 on Jul 1, 2022 |
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-Blackadder- posted:I feel like Republicans have spent so much time as the opposition party, where many of their positions are just culture war topics they use to rile people up, without ever having to face the consequences of how people would react in real life if they ever actually implemented those positions. Guess were about to loving find out then. And they'll still blame all the consequences and undesirable outcomes on the weakest, the poorest and the voiceless. Which is bascially over half the country if my math is right. The GOP has convinced their voters, over decades, that the POOR people have taken all the money - again, through messaging. Or advertising. Whatever you wanna call it. It's rather impressive when anyone with eyes can see that all the money and rewards for hard work continue to rain upwards.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:Then Biden shoots it down and nothing changes. Either ends the same way basically because the current judge is relatively young for a judge and isn’t dying any time soon and probably won’t be replaced by Biden or whoever comes after by their choice. Or, hear me out, Biden could simply just not do a deal that involves getting peanuts in return for he himself personally legitimizing a Federalist Society psycho right after that org just successfully overturned Roe Also can you explain by what definition Pete is "ok"
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-Blackadder- posted:I feel like Republicans have spent so much time as the opposition party, where many of their positions are just culture war topics they use to rile people up, without ever having to face the consequences of how people would react in real life if they ever actually implemented those positions. They got what they wanted, but did they _really_ want it? I don't think they actually wanted the SC to ban abortion, I think they wanted to be able to run on banning abortion. I suspect that a good number of republican strategists are quietly swearing under their breaths after this week.
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-Blackadder- posted:I feel like Republicans have spent so much time as the opposition party, where many of their positions are just culture war topics they use to rile people up, without ever having to face the consequences of how people would react in real life if they ever actually implemented those positions. Cimber posted:They got what they wanted, but did they _really_ want it? I don't think they actually wanted the SC to ban abortion, I think they wanted to be able to run on banning abortion. I suspect that a good number of republican strategists are quietly swearing under their breaths after this week. Uh, no, we're well past the point where it's plausible to say "Republican politicians don't really MEAN all those things they say". Literally the same day as a crazed mob of Republican voters bashed its way into the Capitol building, 138 sitting Republicans in the House, and 6 in the Senate, objected to certifying Biden's electoral votes. They have made affirming Trump's big lie as a requirement to remain a Republican in good standing. They are complicit. This is who they are, they have shown us.
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Cimber posted:They got what they wanted, but did they _really_ want it? I don't think they actually wanted the SC to ban abortion, I think they wanted to be able to run on banning abortion. I suspect that a good number of republican strategists are quietly swearing under their breaths after this week. Are you basing this on anything beyond vague hope? Because it seems more like they're just going to move onto the next target- there's already talk among the GOP about repealing Obergefell, for example?
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Cimber posted:They got what they wanted, but did they _really_ want it? I don't think they actually wanted the SC to ban abortion, I think they wanted to be able to run on banning abortion. I suspect that a good number of republican strategists are quietly swearing under their breaths after this week. "The Republicans never actually wanted to get rid of Roe and winning is going to backfire on them" is just liberal coping strategy. Saying you're going to do something and then doing it when you have the chance makes your base trust you. Running on things you don't actually want to do and then throwing up excuses when you're in position to do so demoralizes your base. Like you can just hop on Twitter right now and watch in real time as many of the staunchest historical Dem defenders slide into despair at how feeble and insincere the Democrat response is. Maybe they'll all fall back in line by November but right now next to nobody actually expects the Democrats to do anything about this even if they win poo poo, even these boomerang theory posts seem to tacitly imply that the Democrats aren't really doing anything on their own and hope they're simply the beneficiary of backlash to Republican actions rather than actors themselves
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TheIncredulousHulk posted:Or, hear me out, Biden could simply just not do a deal that involves getting peanuts in return for he himself personally legitimizing a Federalist Society psycho right after that org just successfully overturned Roe Sure and hopefully he does that. Also Pete is fine compared to Harris and such, I prefer fetterman or Castro or Pritzker or whoever.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:Sure and hopefully he does that. Also Pete is fine compared to Harris and such, I prefer fetterman or Castro or Pritzker or whoever. Hopefully he does what? Not nominate the FedSoc psycho? He already made the deal, dude. This isn't something he's considering, he already agreed to it And in what way is Pete better than Harris
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Failed Imagineer posted:I just want Bernie Sanders to run, personally Him or fetterman or someone like that would be nice.
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