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5900X3D is for people who want to game but want more than 8 threads for other purposes. It'd be a pretty tempting product to me.
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Klyith posted:Yeah, it'd have 6 cores per chiplet instead of 8. The Epycs all have 8 CCDs and the 7773x is the sku with all 8 cores enabled on each. Its base clock is 2.2GHz, max boost is 3.5 GHz and default TDP is 280W. The r7 and r9 skus are all 105W default TDP. So yes, I'd say a 5900x3d is possible but that nobody would like the clock speed.
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Trolling Thunder posted:Wait, I’ve totally missed these rumors. Are these chips yes, allegedly. suggested that AM5 being DDR5 only with availability and pricing being as they are means they need a competitive DDR4 product, which could extend AM4's lifetime a bit. all rumours at this stage but i would buy a 5600X3D and sell my 3900x for it i think.
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Ugh, if a 5600X3D is likely to be a reality that makes me further reconsider getting a 5800X3D now. Although going to 8 cores still has some appeal.
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CaptainSarcastic posted:Ugh, if a 5600X3D is likely to be a reality that makes me further reconsider getting a 5800X3D now. Although going to 8 cores still has some appeal. it's still a total rumour. speculation that it might be defects from the other processes somehow a la 3300x
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K8.0 posted:5900X3D is for people who want to game but want more than 8 threads for other purposes. It'd be a pretty tempting product to me. no, no, AMD was very clear that non-gaming users derive no benefit whatsoever from cache, which is why cache was a design focus of zen3 and milan-x
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cache seems rilly good, frankly. it's not just gaming either right, there were some weird outlier cases (i wanna say winrar) that also seemed to significantly respond to the extra. it wouldn't surprise me if they were motivated to mature the technology and move it into the consumer space after how well the 5800X3D did. but that may be wishful thinking from someone who would really friggen like a 5600X3D, lol
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somewhere out there is a factorio gamer who is in heaven
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Quad core 5300X3D 
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AM5 is really tempting to grab right off the bat, but I think it'll be worth waiting around a year for it to get sorted out since it's an all new platform. I'm really hoping the next generation video cards don't end up like 2020 again, I expect the initial wave to sell out quickly but hopefully restocks happen more often and with more volume. There certainly is a glut of 30 series cards all over my local craigslist, and I feel like they're going to be relevant for a while.
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I have: Ryzen 3 1200 GTX 1060 3GB 16GB 3200 DDR4 Gigabyte AB350M Gaming 3 Running Fedora 36 I'd like to upgrade my CPU first. I'm hoping to get something like an RX 6600 XT to pair with it. Right now I'm looking at: Ryzen 5 5600G $220CAD Ryzen 5 5600 $240CAD Ryzen 5 5600X $265CAD Not really sure what I should pick...help? 40Inch fucked around with this message at 22:48 on Jul 2, 2022 |
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5600X if money is not a concern, 5600 if you want some change left over for a pack of beers and a takeaway as you marvel at the massively improved framerates
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:5600X if money is not a concern, 5600 if you want some change left over for a pack of beers and a takeaway as you marvel at the massively improved framerates This, but also be aware you will need to update the BIOS on that motherboard if you haven't already for it to be able to run a newer generation CPU.
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i'd go with the 5600x since it's only a little bit more than the 5600 and g models generally. You'll also need a new motherboard because I don't think the 350 series boards support Vermeer. Good news is that x570 and B550 motherboards can be had for real cheap now especially second hand.
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the 5600 is the best value there - 5600X is only marginally better (a few percent at most, often less than that) while that's a 10% increase in price the 5600G comes with an integrated GPU but is otherwise significantly worse than the 5600, it's not just the same chip with a GPU added. there is no reason to get it unless you are building a very budget build without a discrete GPU https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-AB350M-Gaming-3-rev-1x/support#support-cpu it looks like there shouldn't be motherboard compatibility issues, though it is worth checking that for old B350 motherboards in general, not all models have firmware updates to support Zen 3 lih fucked around with this message at 00:46 on Jul 3, 2022 |
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Yeah, I'd had my eye on a 3600 for a long time and was pleasantly surprised to see Gigabyte update the bios to allow for Vermeer. Thanks for the help, folks. I think I'll grab the 5600 pretty quick here. Think I'll put the difference towards a new case. Then it'll *really* feel like a new PC.
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So amd came out with some new chipset drivers and they helped cool down the 5800x3d Then they dropped another driver like a month later and it's been running cooler.
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Quaint Quail Quilt posted:So amd came out with some new chipset drivers and they helped cool down the 5800x3d For the same level of performance?
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40Inch posted:I have: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifI9nnmW5sg&t=1141s TL;DR 5600X isn't worth the extra $30, and CERTAINLY don't get a G.
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Question, if I'm looking to upgrade from 3700X to 5800X3D, and I have: MB: ASUS ROG STRIX B450-I GAMING Cooler: Noctua NH-U9S I shouldn't have to get other new parts right?
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FortMan posted:Question, if I'm looking to upgrade from 3700X to 5800X3D, and I have: Nope, but make sure you’ve installed a BIOS update with support for the new CPU before the upgrade.
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Thank you! Oh, and a 700W Power Supply (with a 3070) should be enough right? I'm not looking to overclock. FortMan fucked around with this message at 16:18 on Jul 4, 2022 |
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FortMan posted:Oh, and a 700W Power Supply (with a 3070) should be enough right? I'm not looking to overclock. That's fine; the 5800X3D doesn't consume a ton of power, and can't be overclocked anyways. VVV edit: sure, but same with OP's existing 3700X Klyith fucked around with this message at 17:59 on Jul 4, 2022 |
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You can coax it close to 130W with a power virus like prime95 with the right settings. You’re fine with a 700W PSU and a 3070, i run a 5800x3d with a 3080 on a 650W PSU.
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Yo, I thought AGESA 1.2.0.2 was supposed to squash the USB bug for good? My USB devices have all been flaky as gently caress ever since I updated BIOS to try and solve a different problem over the weekend, and the last version before the most recent BIOS is back on 1.0.0.6. Like, before, it was just my USB DAC that I would have to unplug and replug because it would malfunction after coming back from sleep, but now I've got microblips (that are just quick little power cuts that make the backlight on my keyboard blink without actually triggering the "beep-boop..... boop-beep!" of a USB device disconnecting and reconnecting) with my keyboard either making it drop inputs entirely, or stick a key down, and it's getting me killed in games. SwissArmyDruid fucked around with this message at 17:41 on Jul 4, 2022 |
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Maybe. There are other possibilities for USB issues you can investigate. Are you using any hubs? Are you using a port that relies on an internal cable?
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No hubs, none of my USB devices have moved before to after the BIOS update.
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Have you gone in your BIOS and changed PCIE4 to PCIE3? I had very similar issues and that’s what ended up fixing USB issues for me and several others.
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SwissArmyDruid posted:No hubs, none of my USB devices have moved before to after the BIOS update. Doesn’t mean something isn’t iffy, especially with internal cables. USB is a horribly abused spec in practice, something can go from working to not because the tolerance for something out of spec changed slightly
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SwissArmyDruid posted:Yo, I thought AGESA 1.2.0.2 was supposed to squash the USB bug for good? Yes. And so was every other AGESA update they've put out since officially acknowledging the problem. If you have a non-X570, you probably have some ports on the mobo that come from the Asmedia chipset chip rather than the CPU. If you put devices on that, do they still have problems? Also I had some super hosed crazy stuff with my machine after updating from 1.0.0.6 to 1.2.0.x -- mine's an X370 so likewise is missing that whole gap. For me it was memory being apparently faulty: I had extremely consistent memtest errors, all in the same address range, at any ram speed. Ok, that's bad ram. Went ahead and bought new. I was thinking about getting 32gb anyways. The next day I decided to find which stick was bad, to run just one while waiting for shipping. Pulled 1 stick, no errors. Ok, pull that one and put in the other stick. No errors. WTF? Put both sticks back in. No errors. What. The. gently caress. Could it be.. the bios update? I flashed back to 1006. Memtest ok. Flashed to 1.2.0.6 again. Memory errors came back! And regular reset to defaults in the bios menu didn't fix anything -- I'd tried that the first day. It needed to fully reset the memory training. tl;dr: do a full cmos clear with the hard jumper / switch when doing a long bios jump
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I've got 2 more X570 mobos, identical to mine. I swapped chips and did some other stuff, the latest bioses are unstable as gently caress. I was even getting power offs for no apparent reason. Downgraded to 1.006 same as you and back to stability and actually less USB poo poo. Still happening though. Yes a Renesas USB 3.0 card fixes it but at this point, AMD can gently caress right the hell off (or the mobo manufactures). Back to Intel.
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Klyith posted:Could it be.. the bios update? I flashed back to 1006. Memtest ok. Flashed to 1.2.0.6 again. Memory errors came back! And regular reset to defaults in the bios menu didn't fix anything -- I'd tried that the first day. It needed to fully reset the memory training. I had other weird memory problems that only went away after a full CMOS reset forced memory to be retrained. I've now formed a cargo cult church of CMOS reset if all else fails. This was on an x570 board. v1ld posted:Learned an unamusing lesson: the board would simply not POST with 4 sticks though either of the 2 stick combos worked individually. Even tried at 2133MHz JEDEC settings, no dice with 4 sticks. Finally tried seating all 4 and resetting CMOS - it trained on the memory and no problems since.
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I tried to update my B450 tomahawk to the latest bios with the new AGESA version and it wouldn't even post. As soon as I went back to the 2020 release it booted up fine. My B550 Mortar seems fine on the latest version though, so perhaps MSI just hosed that one up. I'm only running a 2600 in the older board so no harm no foul I guess. Least bios flashback still worked.
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"AMD is Investigating a Potential 450 Gb Data Breach" https://www.techpowerup.com/296573/amd-is-investigating-a-potential-450-gb-data-breach Who's ready for more leaks?
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Hey folks, thanks for the advice earlier. I got my R5 5600 and RX 6600 XT installed. Night and day difference. I couldn't be more happy. Everything just working out of the box in Fedora was a trip.
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