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yeah. I guess I’m just jaded from watching all the X-Men movies recently and seeing so many characters just thrown in with clearly no idea of what to do with them. Storm in particular feels like a character who needs to stop being added to teams ostensibly to make them less white and just saved for when someone wants to actually tell a story with her. But that’s a failure of execution. Really they just need to come up with a story and a cast of characters who are part of it. Not a lineup of action figures.
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Honestly, I know it's a cliché with comic book stuff, but I really feel like X-Men is better as a prestige tv series or an animated show than as a series of movies. There are certainly ways to make a good X-Men movie, but the comics are such a soap opera that I feel like leaning into the longer form storytelling of a show is advantageous for the property.
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Team should be Maddox, Bishop, rollerskate Dazzler, Laura wolvie, and Sunspot.  e: or Banshee, Wolfsbane, Gambit, Rogue, and Syrin. Everyone talks like Brad Pitt in Snatch.
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Sentinel Red posted:He was pretty vocal about what a load of ridiculous poo poo it is to achieve a mega-ripped hero bod, I doubt he want to sign up for at least a decade of having to maintain it. The main point of his posts was about how it's a standard that's impossible to maintain without backup from Hollywood. He can and will do it, even just for a joke. We already know he can do accents: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBLlpcfRFpg
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Lager posted:Honestly, I know it's a cliché with comic book stuff, but I really feel like X-Men is better as a prestige tv series or an animated show than as a series of movies. There are certainly ways to make a good X-Men movie, but the comics are such a soap opera that I feel like leaning into the longer form storytelling of a show is advantageous for the property. I agree. X-Men is an ensemble, it's hard to really have character development with a bunch of team members in a movie. I think Guardians pulled it off pretty well, but even that was mostly Star-Lord. Have an ongoing series would be better.
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I think “First Class” is a solid approach even if the film still kind of overstuffed it and didn’t actually focus on the class. But the idea of a small group of first students of Xavier all learning to control their powers and work together as a team to take down a threat is a simple idea that can work easily. And once you do that you can introduce new students, enemies, rogues, etc. There’s ideas I’d like to see. I’d like to see Emma Frosts Hellions as a rival school/team. I’d like to see Wolverine as the grizzled vet and not a student. I’d like to see Storm done well with all her goddess stuff. But that all feels like further chapters. Just start with a simple origin story… even though I know many hate origin stories. But it gets this ball rolling in a much more natural way than any kind of dimension jumping or time travel or whatever. And that’s probably more valuable to the storytelling than anything else since it gives them a foundation to build off of.
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I've been saying it for years, they should start with the original five already out of commission and trapped on Krakoa, then use Giant-Size X-Men 1 as the story framework. Introduce a bunch of cool X-Men, get to do the whole "you'll see these cool guys next time" thing when the originals are freed, and you set up Krakoa for later in case some arc ends in AvX. Bonus: a mutant living island isn't a dark mirror of anyone, and it doesn't need a ton of screen time to explain, so more focus on all those X-Mans.
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See I think that's the absolute wrong way of trying to introduce a dozen characters and a bunch of backstory and a whole thing all at once. Its basically what Eternals did and its all rushed and nothing actually sinks in. Its rushing into a big story instead of laying the foundation. And I understand why long time fans of the characters and books want to get to the good stuff quick. But I think its a mistake for a broader audience (and if you can't write something good for your origin story then that's on you). I my mind MCU X-Men is like a 10 year plan before you get to any of the really big stuff like Dark Phoenix or AvX or whatever. Krakoa is probably like... X-Men Phase 2.
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Big difference between Eternals and X-Men in public perception though. Even people who aren’t big into comics know who Wolverine and Cyclops are.
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Yeah but the problem is Wolverine's always gonna get attention and focus. Its everyone else who gets short changed in an overstuffed movie or rushed backstory.
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STAC Goat posted:See I think that's the absolute wrong way of trying to introduce a dozen characters and a bunch of backstory and a whole thing all at once. Its basically what Eternals did and its all rushed and nothing actually sinks in. Its rushing into a big story instead of laying the foundation. And I understand why long time fans of the characters and books want to get to the good stuff quick. But I think its a mistake for a broader audience (and if you can't write something good for your origin story then that's on you). I actually thought the introduction and characterization of the Eternals was the strong point of the movie; the problem is that it took over half the film to do that and the rest was paint-by-numbers Marvel Movie stuff. You could do this even more efficiently with the X-Men 1) because of greater cultural familiarity and 2) have some of the X-Men already recruited, showing (not telling) their powers/personalities during recruitment/crises. Hell, you could even do an in media res type beginning. Professor X assembles the advanced students to avert some sort of crisis gas explosion and fire at an orphanage, let's say. The movie starts with Cyke, Wolverine, Storm, Jean, Nightcrawler, and Gambit in the Blackbird flying to the troublespot while Professor X telepathically briefs them, giving them a battle plan that outlines their abilities for the audience's sake ("Cyclops, use your optic blasts to push back the burning debris. Storm, call up torrential rain. Nightcrawler, go into the orphanage and teleport out with any orphans you find.") Boom, 15 minute exciting set piece and you learn everything you need to know about the main characters. Cyclops can even show his leadership by overriding Xavier's instructions once he sees the facts on the ground, Wolverine can disobey Summers's orders, etc. Then in the middle of the rescue a piece of concrete cracks and Gambit gets impaled by a giant chunk of rebar. He's beyond saving. We never even hear him speak. Then a freak lightning bolt from Storm's weather fries the corpse into an unrecoverable, unresurrectable cloud of ash. (I'm not a Gambit fan, mon ami.)
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STAC Goat posted:See I think that's the absolute wrong way of trying to introduce a dozen characters and a bunch of backstory and a whole thing all at once. Its basically what Eternals did and its all rushed and nothing actually sinks in. Its rushing into a big story instead of laying the foundation. And I understand why long time fans of the characters and books want to get to the good stuff quick. But I think its a mistake for a broader audience (and if you can't write something good for your origin story then that's on you). I'm talking Krakoa the angry island that comes to life in 1975, not the current mutant homeland arc. And the giant size run introduces eight characters, several of which you can just stuff in the background anyway. Banshee and Sunfire don't need super complicated arcs, they're not gonna do much going forward. Heck you could off a few. And the rest are already cultural icons. Storm, Nightcrawler, Wolverine, Colossus, everyone's up to speed. Mostly I just want them to start without Magneto already in play. Dude's played out and needs a break.
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I was talking about the same Krakoa. I just don’t like the idea of introducing characters as expendable or rushing into a full world, especially one that basically contradicts the established world you have. I get why people want to do it. I get the appeal. Personally it doesn’t work for me at all. I only care about a character if the movie makes me care about them. The rush to get into stuff tends to turn me off. But also it’s clearly just not the MCU approach as they want to make their movies as broadly accessible as they can. And X-Men are a big long term investment so no need to rush it. But I do agree that they need to go a different path then what we’ve seen each time. Magneto can wait just like I think Wolverine can wait.
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Hey its giant freaking robot a click bait site? I saw an ad saying "James Gunn infuriated over Chris Pratt" but didn't click through. Real or bullshit?
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Soonmot posted:Hey its giant freaking robot a click bait site? I saw an ad saying "James Gunn infuriated over Chris Pratt" but didn't click through. Real or bullshit? He’s infuriated by people dunking on Pratt on Twitter.
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Soonmot posted:Hey its giant freaking robot a click bait site? I saw an ad saying "James Gunn infuriated over Chris Pratt" but didn't click through. Real or bullshit? They make up a lot of stuff, yeah.
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Ty, didn't want to give them traffic
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Speaking of "grain of salt" news, I'm seeing what's claimed to be promotional artwork for Wakanda Forever that suggests Riri Williams and Attuma will be in the movie. I'm going to assume that with Comic Con around the corner, we'll get some more concrete news on the movie soon enough.
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Jamesman posted:Speaking of "grain of salt" news, I'm seeing what's claimed to be promotional artwork for Wakanda Forever that suggests Riri Williams and Attuma will be in the movie.
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Yeah, but nothing official has been confirmed about any of this to my knowledge.
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I've always felt an xmen movie should focus on the :Weclome to the Xmen, hope you survive" focused on a young mutant coming to the school. It could be Kate, Jubilee, Laura, illyana, Roberto, Danni, Hellion, shark girl or whatever young mutant they want to focus on. I'd also have dark Phoenix of already happened, so you never have to do a movie about if because, ugh just stop.
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Jamesman posted:Yeah, but nothing official has been confirmed about any of this to my knowledge. It's pretty crazy that it's apparently in theatres in about 5 months and we've seen nothing whatsoever. We'll for sure get a lot of stuff out of comicon and d23, especially since Thor will be out of the way by then
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Just do a live action version of the 90s cartoon then whoops the multiverse stuff happens and somehow they're stuck in the MCU. I mostly just want to see the costumes translated accurately and also see some different people. Jubilee, Gambit, Rogue with her comic powers. Did anything ever come of that Mr. Sinister tease in Apocalypse (I think?) or was that cast to the void with the Disney acquisition?
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They didn't really release anything about Thor before a couple of months before the movie.
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Yes, there's promo art out there now for Wakanda Forever and it includes both Attuma and Namor and the both look cool as hell. Namor has ankle wings! Ha! The decision to go with Aztech culture for the basis of their Atlantis replacement is such a good idea.
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I'd also say that with the Wakanda Forever leaks, that it means something will probably be attached to Thor. The leaks usually don't happen too long before Marvel drops official announcements.
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Admiral Joeslop posted:Just do a live action version of the 90s cartoon then whoops the multiverse stuff happens and somehow they're stuck in the MCU. He was meant to be the one Dr Reyes was emailing in New Mutants. Which creates the hilarious image of Mr Sinister is his full on glam outfit using a computer or a smart phone.
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twistedmentat posted:He was meant to be the one Dr Reyes was emailing in New Mutants. Which creates the hilarious image of Mr Sinister is his full on glam outfit using a computer or a smart phone. Sinister would loving love gossiping online.
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Jon Hamm has said that he was in talks with Fox where he was going to show up as Mr Sinister in New Mutants' post credits scene but they changed their mind partway through filming so it never came about.
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Sinister would loving love gossiping online. He did/does run a blind item site on Krakoa
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Sinister would loving love gossiping online. He's sitting in a gaming chair in front of a bunch of Pop figures asking people to smash that like button. Sinister would be a pretty fun villian for the MCU. Especially if they do the version who clones himself.
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Admiral Joeslop posted:Just do a live action version of the 90s cartoon then whoops the multiverse stuff happens and somehow they're stuck in the MCU. The 90's X-Men is a good group to adapt, I think. But I would age them down a little (except Wolverine, or maybe you can leave him out entirely) to college age. I'd probably keep Iceman from the original 5, at least. You can have the movie be about them revealing themselves to the world after training and hiding for a bit. Then you can expand into TV shows and spinoffs to introduce larger groups or individuals while the X-Men movies are kind of like the Avengers movies where larger casts will interact. If i were Marvel I'd also hop on that Sadie Sink bandwagon and cast her as Jean Grey right now.
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X-O posted:Yes, there's promo art out there now for Wakanda Forever and it includes both Attuma and Namor and the both look cool as hell. Namor has ankle wings! Ha! The decision to go with Aztech culture for the basis of their Atlantis replacement is such a good idea.
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My one and only complaint about Namor is I don’t like the nose piercing. Pretty minor.
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No widow's peak, this is an outrage, the film is doomed, etc.
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Introducing the mutants via X-Men is trying to pack a bit too much into the MCU too quick. There's only one solution to start rolling out mutant introductions the right way: The Great Lakes Avengers
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Rev. Bleech_ posted:Introducing the mutants via X-Men is trying to pack a bit too much into the MCU too quick. There's only one solution to start rolling out mutant introductions the right way: The Great Lakes Avengers Finally, someone around here is talking sense
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How about 2 separate film series ala the mid80s split school approach? One team led by Storm doing mainly superhero poo poo and existential threats, another by Scott and the OGs finding and sheltering kids who wake up one day and find they have living pizza hair or their sweat melts poo poo like an Alien with a paper cut. Ditch the whole public facing exterminators angle, say Charles is no longer with us (banging bird ladies in space) and no one has heard from Magneto in years, just to give us all a break from them both for a bit.
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Maybe I missed this but Black Panther 2 will have a mutant in it. Namor whether they address it or not is unknown of course.
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