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FishBulbia
Dec 22, 2021

Mr. Apollo posted:

”old gods” is an expression used to refer to pre-Christian gods so I assumed that “old believers” were their followers.

There are Russian pagans but like all neo-pagan movements they are heavily inspired by uhhhh perhaps what we could charitably call nietzschean attitudes toward Christianity.

Some very isolated indigenous communities that have preserved or resurrected pagan practices for cultural reasons

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Rappaport
Oct 2, 2013

Nenonen posted:

In Finland it goes like

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




mmkay posted:

How do the celebrations look like? Is it popular, or just another day for most people and an excuse to meet up for the rest?

Singing, swinging (the furniture kind, at least early in the evening), mountains of shashlik. Maybe some folk or (green) ball dancing or sauna action, hopefully warm enough to swim (and you decide to swim while being sober enough). Also jumping over fires (hopefully not grills, and while sober enough). If you're sober enough to get it up after midnight, “searching for fern flower” is the culturally acceptable booty call (ferns don't bloom with flowers).

In towns there's going to be beer cheaper than water, and 5-10 metre bonfires with live folk or country music and endless supply of fried meats. It's the primary festive occasion of the year in Latvia.

Doing BBQ (grilling shashlik) is basically a religious requirement during this, so much that people will be doing it on open fire inside lumber sheds if it's raining (don't ask me if I've done that :colbert: ).

Anti-DUI commercials for the summer solstice are a distinct art form in Latvia. Here's one titled “Angry, but alive!”. These range from hilarious to just like 2 minutes of firefighters scraping intestines from cars, you're always in for a ride when one pops on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkBQADbUZ1E

cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 22:00 on Jun 22, 2022

FishBulbia
Dec 22, 2021

CMYK BLYAT! posted:

kazakh dude in a tank top, man bun, and pixelated hitler mustache sure is an aesthetic

https://twitter.com/OlgaNYC1211/status/1539086797518655488

https://twitter.com/ia_panorama/status/1539212657500123136

fyi, this story has basically been source to the russian equivalent of the onion

Paladinus
Jan 11, 2014

heyHEYYYY!!!

FishBulbia posted:

https://twitter.com/ia_panorama/status/1539212657500123136

fyi, this story has basically been source to the russian equivalent of the onion

Lol, just as I suspected.

Sekenr
Dec 12, 2013




Mr. Apollo posted:

”old gods” is an expression used to refer to pre-Christian gods so I assumed that “old believers” were their followers.

No, they are christian orthodox who reject Peter I reforms

barbecue at the folks
Jul 20, 2007



To explain, the Finnish Juhannus has such a high amount of deaths by drowning every year that people bet on the exact number. Many of those deaths occur when drunk men try to piss over the side of a boat, fall over and drown. A new phenomenon is folks passing out and drowning in those huge hot tubs everyone is installing these days.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

barbecue at the folks posted:

. A new phenomenon is folks passing out and drowning in those huge hot tubs everyone is installing these days.

Nature of healing

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




barbecue at the folks posted:

To explain, the Finnish Juhannus has such a high amount of deaths by drowning every year that people bet on the exact number. Many of those deaths occur when drunk men try to piss over the side of a boat, fall over and drown. A new phenomenon is folks passing out and drowning in those huge hot tubs everyone is installing these days.

My Finnish e-girls :(

Rappaport
Oct 2, 2013

cinci zoo sniper posted:

My Finnish e-girls :(

Wille Rydman's account spotted

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




https://twitter.com/davekeating/status/1539933252848427008

Wikipedia editors are on crisis watch.
https://twitter.com/vollcornhirsch/status/1539914132874559489

Mokotow
Apr 16, 2012

What’s Bulgaria’s issue with Macedonia joining the EU?

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

Mokotow posted:

What’s Bulgaria’s issue with Macedonia joining the EU?

quote:

On January 15, 1992, Bulgaria was the first country to recognize the independence of the then-Republic of Macedonia.[2] Bulgaria has however refused to recognize the existence of a separate ethnic Macedonian nation[3][4][5] and a separate Macedonian language. It argues that the ethnic Macedonians are a subgroup of the Bulgarian nation,[6][7][8] and that the Macedonian language is a Bulgarian dialect.

Does this sound familiar? :thunk:

FishBulbia
Dec 22, 2021

Wow they just come out with it

advanced statsman
Dec 26, 2012

ISLAM FC
https://youtu.be/J0RQ24Z03bM

This is a faithful representation of the Estonian drink and swim culture. Kui jood, ära uju, because it’s one of the most common causes of death among certain population groups.

Weyd
Nov 26, 2009

advanced statsman posted:

https://youtu.be/J0RQ24Z03bM

This is a faithful representation of the Estonian drink and swim culture. Kui jood, ära uju, because it’s one of the most common causes of death among certain population groups.

The Tujurikkuja guys are hilarious. I used to show their sketches to visiting couchsurfers, we'd usually end up going through all of their annual shows by the end of the night.

They made another non-PSA sketch about swimming in Estonia, it doesn't have subtitles (most sketches do), but I don't think they're really necessary in this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gPRZFZrVp0

advanced statsman
Dec 26, 2012

ISLAM FC

This one is without a doubt my all time favorite from them, and even though idk if the Eesti Nokia skit is translated, I wish more Finns would watch it

lexxyth
Jan 21, 2015

Mokotow posted:

What’s Bulgaria’s issue with Macedonia joining the EU?

Just to add a bit more context. “The Macedonian question” is the main “star” of our late 19/early 20 century history and it is presented as a fight to liberate our brothers from, first the Ottoman, and then “western” rule, to this day. It doesn’t matter that it was a Comintern decision at the end that drove us apart https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolution_of_the_Comintern_on_the_Macedonian_question
Macedonia was also the reason that we eagerly joined the first Balkan war, became the aggressor of the second one and couldn’t wait to go against Serbia (by joining the baddies) in WW1. To a lesser degree, WW2. We also glorify these guys a lot in the history books https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_Macedonian_Revolutionary_Organization

Even yesterday, a vote of no confidence passed against the ruling coalition, I think first in recent history, after one of the coalition members dropped out and gave something in the line of “prime minister betraying the Macedonian Bulgarians” as a (very fake) reason for this.

Recent polls I’ve seen showed something like 8% of people agree that we should lift the veto and about 50% would be happy to let Macedonia join AFTER our neighbourly troubles are solved - whatever that means.

Unfortunately, I think it is political suicide for any party to agree and lift the veto with the current political climate in the country, so they are just juggling around and passing the ball to each other to not make daddy EU angrier and stopping the money flow. On the other hand, faith in the EU is overall one of the lowest from all members and any real pressure from them could result into getting the very fashy nationalist in charge, which promise NATO/EU exit and closer relations with Russia in their platform.

tl;dr Balkan politics as usual.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Pretty sure that everyone in EU would be content letting Bulgaria just leave. Borisov was not as reviled as Orban only because he's significantly dumber, and picked much pettier, and thus irrelevant, fights.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
Bulgaria feels like it hardly ever figures into anything. Hungary is not only poo poo, but it's also constantly in the news because it keeps loving with things. I don't remember the last time I noticed Bulgaria trying to have a decisive say in anyhing.

lexxyth
Jan 21, 2015
He was pretty happy staying quiet, taking billions from EU and also building pipelines for Putin in record times, so maybe he was the smarter one in the end. The EPP still openly supports him 🤷‍♂️

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Perhaps, I may have undue hopes for the other EPP (with Kovesi), when it comes to Bulgaria.

lovely tuna snatch
Feb 10, 2010

Happy Jaanipäev, stuck in the city due to GF having corona this time of the year is super weird. Took the kid for a walk, only heard foreign languages spoken. Everyone local is in their summer homes jumping over fires and swimming while drunk.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Yeah I’m hanging in the city as well this year and it’s dire. Had a Statoil hotdog and frozen coca-cola slushy for lunch. My only hope right now is that my father is not going to call and ask me how it’s going.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




https://twitter.com/georgigotev/status/1540284777944817665

FishBulbia
Dec 22, 2021

I gotta wonder what the plan for future georgia is for the protestors currently chanting against "EU cultural marxism and LGBT grooming"

might as well be waving the tricolor

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Randomly, very interesting Twitter map about Latvia. Registered graveyards - the vertical hollow is Vidzeme and Zemgale regions. I’m from the centre of the eastern cluster.

https://twitter.com/lartour/status/1543360283355348998

Curiously enough, the answer seems to lie in a 1935 population density map.

https://twitter.com/csp_latvija/status/1126770361641590784

Mokotow
Apr 16, 2012

Why was the area around Riga the least populated? Seems unusual.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Mokotow posted:

Why was the area around Riga the least populated? Seems unusual.

Riga was still the largest city, just without modern suburban sprawl, due to limited personal transport. The country was also simply much less urbanised back then. To give you an idea, my 60s-born dad grew up without electricity, and rode a horse until he was conscripted into the army. Now imagine what 30s were like, fresh after WWI, with our own crappy dictator on the second decade of independence.

1935 Riga ~400k city population, and no exurbs or metropolitan, whereas 2018 Riga had ~600k city population, 300k exurbs population, and 200k metropolitan population.

Since the country’s population was basically identical at those points in time, you’re looking at what it looks like when ~36% of national population decide to settle in the city already housing ~21% of the population.

Edit: Forgot to answer the actual question - soil around Riga is sandy trash with negligible yields without basically replacing it and juicing everything else with modern agricultural technology.

cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 13:37 on Jul 3, 2022

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa
And I don't suppose it was quite the tourist magnet for foreigners back then. Jürmala is a pretty nice beach destination but 100 years ago much harder to reach.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




President of Uzbekistan is trying reform away the constitutional term limits, and last nights protests against that appear to have met a rather bloody end.

:nms: Street drenched in blood
https://twitter.com/mirovichmedia/status/1543341253772836867

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009
There seems to be some sort of regionalism angle, too --- lots of protests in region of Karakalpakstan about apparently attempts to remove it's nominal(?) autonomy.

https://twitter.com/Peter__Leonard/status/1543345628360622084

Also, I am not sure there were term limits? Karimov was in charge since USSR times to his death in 2016.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




OddObserver posted:

There seems to be some sort of regionalism angle, too --- lots of protests in region of Karakalpakstan about apparently attempts to remove it's nominal(?) autonomy.

https://twitter.com/Peter__Leonard/status/1543345628360622084

Also, I am not sure there were term limits? Karimov was in charge since USSR times to his death in 2016.

There definitely are term limits, article 90 of their constitution spells them explicitly. https://constitution.uz/en/clause/index

What happened with Karimov is that:

1) In 1995 his first term got extended through referendum until 2000, arguing that it counts as second term
2) Parliament overturned that argument, so he ran for “second” term in 2000
3) In 2002 referendum extended the term to 7 years
4) In 2007 his term expired in January, but the Parliament rules-lawyered that elections must happen in December, so another extra year there
5) Late 2007 he got nominated for the third term, argument being that the first term was under the old constitution and didn’t count
6) In 2015 he simply ran again, argument being that he has only served 1 full term since the 2002 constitution change

So the current protests are about Karapalkastan’s right to be sovereign (and to secede) being stripped from the constitution. Another controversial change in the constitution is to reform the presidential term from current 5 years to the old 7 years.

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009
I don't know how I could forget how the post-Soviet space loves the rituals of following a "legal process" while following none of its substance....

Paladinus
Jan 11, 2014

heyHEYYYY!!!
The new constitution would remove their right to secede.

Interestingly, a fair amount of Russian and Belarusian IT specialists have moved to Uzbekistan.

Qtotonibudinibudet
Nov 7, 2011



Omich poluyobok, skazhi ty narkoman? ya prosto tozhe gde to tam zhivu, mogli by vmeste uyobyvat' narkotiki
they pretty much immediately walked back those changes though. extending term limits and performing a magical reset of Mirziyoyev's term count because terms under previous constitutions don't count was the far more important goal. realistically it's still Uzbekistan and the authorities aren't going to entertain any actual attempt at secession, so that can safely be ignored with the other inconvenient parts of the constitution

protests have maybe died down, though probably more from heavy security presence than the amendment reversal

https://twitter.com/joannalillis/status/1543585612468572160

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




https://twitter.com/mirashhhs/status/1543530613239578626

This is some mistakes into miracles poo poo, if it’ll pass in the trending direction. There seems to be broad popular support in the parliament for significantly tightening gambling laws. Gambling is a major problem here, bad enough that I’m favour of the Swedish approach to have government run like 2 casinos nationwide, and have everyone just suck it.

Opening proposals were:

Conservatives: 30 slot machines minimum requirement, no gambling sites within 4km from residential buildings
Liberals: 25 slot machines, no gambling sites in residential buildings outside the Old Riga, minimum age of 21, no gambling sites within 250 metres from schools or public squares

Conservatives lost their vote 16-45, liberals won theirs 75-0. Conversation moving forward, both sides support 40 machine minimum, and:

Conservatives: No gambling sites within 3km from residential buildings, no gambling between 2am and 8am, full ban on gambling halls (slot machine bars), casinos limited to 4-5 star hotels, ban from lotteries for minors and people paying child support
Liberals: Allow family members to include gambling addicts (legal status here) into the national gambling prohibition register (it’s a crime to let subjects of that to gamble), ban drinking and smoking for free in gambling sites, 3h daily limit on time spent in a gambling site, ban on gambling in municipal buildings, obligation to provide gamblers with addiction treatment services information, no gambling sites within 700 metres of schools and public squares

For context, the specific liberal party has a history of apparent back room deals with the gambling lobby. Notably, their regions minister did sloppily strike down Riga city development plan with highly anticipated gambling restrictions. That has since been challenged in courts, and 4 days ago our constitutional court has publicly taken the case into consideration, ordering the minister to provide the legal basis for his decision.

As much as I loathe to side with our conservatives on literally anything, I think liberals are still playing softball here, with restrictions being mostly for the sake of damage control (although 40 machine requirement and the public square distance ban is going to take a lot of these poo poo holes out), to not get completely mauled over this in the election later this year. I hope that the conservatives will be able to force through at least 2km residential distance ban, and full prohibition on gambling halls, on top of the proposed liberal package.

cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 12:58 on Jul 4, 2022

Arzachel
May 12, 2012
Really hope this goes through! The 250m from schools and public squares provision seems fairly toothless unless they extend it significantly but just the 40 machine limit should help a bunch.

a podcast for cats
Jun 22, 2005

Dogs reading from an artifact buried in the ruins of our civilization, "We were assholes- " and writing solemnly, "They were assholes."
Soiled Meat
Having a bit of industry background, I can say inclusion of family members in gambling self-exclusion lists is a big deal. I left the industry proper before the big wave of regulations and subsequent compliance hit, but I'm still close enough to hear what's going on and I can't recall any other countries allowing third party exclusion.

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Xerxes17
Feb 17, 2011

https://twitter.com/yudbrit/status/1543867396645167111

Seems that things are not going well for Russia.

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