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D.N. Nation
Feb 1, 2012

Kosmo Gallion posted:

What are the general bad faith AEW critiques we see in this thread constantly? I feel like we could use a master list.

- they're all ex WWE guys
- they are all people The Casual Fan won't know
- they bury New Japan
- they put over New Japan too much
- WHO IS THIS GUY I CAN'T USE GOOGLE
- the crowd cheer too much and will cheer for ANYTHING
- Jon Moxley is going back to WWE any day now
- Flippy poo poo
- "confusing" Tanahashi, KENTA, Okada with Yoshi Tatsu or Funaki
- the roster isn't diverse enough
- the roster is too diverse
- the refs/fans/managers are trying to get themselves over
- Orange Cassidy is a joke character and bad wrestler
- "if you enjoy Sting then you MUST enjoy Goldberg or you're a hippocrite"
- their matches are too violent!
- their matches aren't violent enough!
- there are too many good matches on free TV
- they are in immediate danger of getting cancelled
- no storylines
- too many/not enough titles
- Adam Cole has a terrible physique
- they can't grow their audience
- Disco Inferno/Mark Madden/Eric Bischoff/Vince Russo retweet
- it killed NXT!!!
- Flippy poo poo
- Twinkle Toes, Olivier, Jelly Nutella, etc
- hugging is wrong
- Roman Reigns profile pic
- Cody was bad but now he is good
- *WWE wrestler replies/retweets something from an AEW wrestler "you better hope Vince doesn't see this"
- Meltzer/Alvarez/Bixenspan/Something Awful are on the payroll

Twitter profile pic making a zany "who farted?"/Dreamworks Face

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edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Lid posted:


And for reasons still alien: their profile will include which EPL team they follow.

I mean, there is a massive element of tribalism in football fandom, like Figo having a pig’s head thrown at him when he transferred from Barcelona to Real Madrid.

Zombie Lemur
Jul 6, 2009

Empyrean empties

Kosmo Gallion posted:

What are the general bad faith AEW critiques we see in this thread constantly? I feel like we could use a master list.

- they're all ex WWE guys
- they are all people The Casual Fan won't know
- they bury New Japan
- they put over New Japan too much
- WHO IS THIS GUY I CAN'T USE GOOGLE
- the crowd cheer too much and will cheer for ANYTHING
- Jon Moxley is going back to WWE any day now
- Flippy poo poo
- "confusing" Tanahashi, KENTA, Okada with Yoshi Tatsu or Funaki
- the roster isn't diverse enough
- the roster is too diverse
- the refs/fans/managers are trying to get themselves over
- Orange Cassidy is a joke character and bad wrestler
- "if you enjoy Sting then you MUST enjoy Goldberg or you're a hippocrite"
- their matches are too violent!
- their matches aren't violent enough!
- there are too many good matches on free TV
- they are in immediate danger of getting cancelled
- no storylines
- too many/not enough titles
- Adam Cole has a terrible physique
- they can't grow their audience
- Disco Inferno/Mark Madden/Eric Bischoff/Vince Russo retweet
- it killed NXT!!!
- Flippy poo poo
- Twinkle Toes, Olivier, Jelly Nutella, etc
- hugging is wrong
- Roman Reigns profile pic
- Cody was bad but now he is good
- *WWE wrestler replies/retweets something from an AEW wrestler "you better hope Vince doesn't see this"
- Meltzer/Alvarez/Bixenspan/Something Awful are on the payroll

To go along with the Roman profile pic
-Heel in username
-Something in their bio to let everyone know that they hate smarks or the IWC
-Sees themself as an influencer even though their podcast or youtube channel gets zero engagement

Drakkel
May 6, 2007

IT'S LIKE I CAN TOUCH YOU!
Anyone whose just some dude on twitter or youtube who claims they're just "working" or playing a heel when they deliver dogshit takes

Benne
Sep 2, 2011

STOP DOING HEROIN
E: wrong thread

Benne fucked around with this message at 01:03 on Jul 3, 2022

Alaois
Feb 7, 2012

Benne posted:

So how many stupid ladder bumps will Shotzi take tonight

is she going to take them all on her knees

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!
https://twitter.com/BackupHangman/status/1543639409274327041

Cavauro
Jan 9, 2008

Hollywood Hangman Adam Pearce (Parody)

Destroy My Sweater
Jul 24, 2009

I don't know if this is a bad post or Alex Riley's burner

https://twitter.com/KevinAlbergo1/status/1543425264297836550?s=20&t=EVC7NWBFuDr5pA09SA0ywA

Tampa Bae
Aug 23, 2021

Please, this is all I have
I think you're reading that tweet wrong, anyone could be in Theory's spot because there's nothing special about him

maybe I'm reading the tweet wrong but who ever talks about alex riley

History Comes Inside!
Nov 20, 2004




Yeah he’s correctly identifying the secret to WWE booking

dsriggs
May 28, 2012

MONEY FALLS...

...FROM THE SKY...

...WHENEVER HE POSTS!
I've only been to one WWE house show in my life & I SWEAR that the 2nd most over guy after John Cena was Alex Riley. He got a huge pop, girls were going crazy for him, there were Alex Riley signs all over the place. A hot angle can absolutely make up for any shortcoming a performer has, but you have to follow-through with it for it to work long-term.

Pylons
Mar 16, 2009

https://twitter.com/coolguysince01/status/1543751899354112008

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009

...this is correct, broadly, though? I guarantee monthly AEW PPVs would not do the kind of numbers the existing ones do, especially in the current economic climate. And some kind of streaming arrangement has been floated for AEW here for like... as long as AEW has been a thing.

Pylons
Mar 16, 2009

Gaz-L posted:

...this is correct, broadly, though? I guarantee monthly AEW PPVs would not do the kind of numbers the existing ones do, especially in the current economic climate. And some kind of streaming arrangement has been floated for AEW here for like... as long as AEW has been a thing.

I mostly posted this here because of the "insanely cruel" overreaction.

Cavauro
Jan 9, 2008

in this economy? better off spending money on Crash Bandicoot Bootlegs. I love '2003 Crash 2 Advance' for the GameBoy Color

flatluigi
Apr 23, 2008

here come the planes
the dumb part is jumping to the conclusion that more ppvs = monthly ppvs (and maybe the implication that wwe rushes through stories instead of hitting the same beats over and over)

but yeah, otherwise fine

Pylons posted:

I mostly posted this here because of the "insanely cruel" overreaction.

even if aew did decide to do monthly ppvs, spending $50 on it every month to watch would really loving suck without cheaper alternatives especially with the wwe network devaluing ppvs so hard. but there'll be cheaper options no matter what, and aew won't do monthly ppvs

Suplex Liberace
Jan 18, 2012



Pylons posted:

I mostly posted this here because of the "insanely cruel" overreaction.

It would be insanely cruel to me a poor person who loves aew

Vandar
Sep 14, 2007

Isn't That Right, Chairman?



Zombie Lemur posted:

To go along with the Roman profile pic
-Heel in username
-Something in their bio to let everyone know that they hate smarks or the IWC
-Sees themself as an influencer even though their podcast or youtube channel gets zero engagement

THE REALITY CHECK FOR THE ENTIRE IWC

Fish Of Doom
Aug 18, 2004
I'm too awake for this to be a nightmare


Kosmo Gallion posted:

What are the general bad faith AEW critiques we see in this thread constantly? I feel like we could use a master list.

I made a bingo card a few weeks back.

Davros1
Jul 19, 2007

You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible



Vandar posted:

THE REALITY CHECK FOR THE ENTIRE IWC

Also boosting that they've been blocked by someone well known

Punch McLightning
Sep 19, 2005

you know what that means




Grimey Drawer

Gaz-L posted:

...this is correct, broadly, though? I guarantee monthly AEW PPVs would not do the kind of numbers the existing ones do, especially in the current economic climate. And some kind of streaming arrangement has been floated for AEW here for like... as long as AEW has been a thing.

Historically, companies switching to monthly PPVs and/or increasing the cost of them has only made them more money.

Drakkel
May 6, 2007

IT'S LIKE I CAN TOUCH YOU!

Punch McLightning posted:

Historically, companies switching to monthly PPVs and/or increasing the cost of them has only made them more money.

Does TNA still do monthlies or can they not afford to do that anymore?

Punch McLightning
Sep 19, 2005

you know what that means




Grimey Drawer
They do monthly special events but I think 8 of them are just Impact Plus exclusives.

Guillermus
Dec 28, 2009



Fish Of Doom posted:

I made a bingo card a few weeks back.

This is scarily accurate

Zombie Lemur
Jul 6, 2009

Empyrean empties

Vandar posted:

THE REALITY CHECK FOR THE ENTIRE IWC

Lol, this was the exact one I was thinking of.

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009

Punch McLightning posted:

Historically, companies switching to monthly PPVs and/or increasing the cost of them has only made them more money.

From a smaller audience of whales spending more, yes

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





https://twitter.com/cichatirto/status/1542560896236797952

found a new one

Genericide
Jan 20, 2004

https://twitter.com/ThisIsNasty/status/1543664425114017792?t=O2goqJlcLyUP_qUXMIxtfA&s=19

https://twitter.com/TonyKhan/status/1543813450220146689?t=CaiBRCpID-IkYWROb5i5CQ&s=19

Guillermus
Dec 28, 2009



BBT being a savage with that reply

Elephant Ambush
Nov 13, 2012

...We sholde spenden more time together. What sayest thou?
Nap Ghost
LMAO Alfred changed his profile pic to him with a huge charcuterie board

Guillermus
Dec 28, 2009



https://twitter.com/Breakkerrific/status/1543545356507615232?t=cFL7ss3yV1YR_E1c9Fi9HA&s=19

Lead Pipe Cinch
Mar 10, 2003

Heavy Metal Bakesale


It’s about professionalism in UFC event attendance.

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!

Gaz-L posted:

...this is correct, broadly, though? I guarantee monthly AEW PPVs would not do the kind of numbers the existing ones do, especially in the current economic climate. And some kind of streaming arrangement has been floated for AEW here for like... as long as AEW has been a thing.

It's completely incorrect, WWE went monthly and had the critically acclaimed 1997 and then their hottest period PPV business wise from 1998-2001.

Tweak
Jul 28, 2003

or dont whatever









is this the first time TK has given Al any attention (besides calling him the n word of course)

Big Dave
Nov 6, 2009

Friends don't shake hands, friends gotta hug!


gripebomb
Dec 13, 2006

I wanted to fight the world.

- Eddie Kingston

Tweak posted:

is this the first time TK has given Al any attention (besides calling him the n word of course)

Yes and now every tweet AI has made since then has been him trying to get TK's attention. It's sad.

El Generico
Feb 3, 2009

Birds revere you and consider you one of their own.

You are welcome in their holy places.

Seams posted:

There needs to be a No More BS match before every main event

If you feel like you need to do a crowd break/seperator match, this is probably what you should do, send a beloved legendary veteran out there for a few minutes to squash some weasel heel and do his well loved spots, something people will actually be happy to see and won't take too much time. I think there is something to having a show be a roller coaster with alternating high energy and low energy stuff, but "low energy" shouldn't be "something boring nobody wants to see", but rather, something more technical, or storytelling based, or nostalgic.

Cody and MJF matches used to serve this purpose.

It's not the only right way to do it though, a show like Forbidden Door that's just non stop high octane excellence from start to finish is perfectly valid too if you can pull it off. It just sets a super high standard.

Drakkel posted:

"AEW has no stories" is the most widespread galaxy brain bad take by far at this point. People really believe that it's not a storyline unless the wrestlers have like 27 matches in a row and the announcers recap it every 5 minutes

One of the key ways that you level up your rivalries in WWE 2K22's GM mode is to book the same matches over and over again. This is what WWE sees as good booking.

sticklefifer
Nov 11, 2003

by VideoGames
Konuwa in the mud, wrap it up Alfrailures

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Shard
Jul 30, 2005

Tweak posted:

is this the first time TK has given Al any attention (besides calling him the n word of course)

I'm sorry what?

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