Tesseraction posted:

Personally if I were Batman I would simply break the Joker's legs every time he did a crime, the same way he completely demolishes the bones of the low-level goons on a regular basis.

crispix posted:

irish batman would prob just shoot out the villains' kneecaps for them yeah

bessantj posted:

I know you goons like to see peoples picture of their walks so here's a walk I did yesterday, in the Severn tunnel.


It's a door!

Guavanaut posted:

*forms Batman For Communities Against Drugs to protect our community from the dangers of dangerous drugs*
*deals some drugs to fund it*

The Question IRL posted:

So if you read comics enough you very often hear about this weird philosophical debate amoung fans (and it sometimes shows up in the stories themselves.)

"Why doesn't Batman* just kill the Joker**? Since he doesn't, the next time the Joker goes on a killing spree it is really Batman's fault."

It's a terrible argument for a number of reasons*** but one of the main points it misses is how it's a judgment being made by the reader on another person's moral action but refusing to take on any of the responsibilities associated with it.

Basically, it's really easy for a reader to say "I would simply kill Boris Joker because I know he is unrepentant and will never change." But it ignores how Batman makes a decision based on what is in front of him and takes on the consequences of the situation in front of him.

You made a decision to help a human who was in trouble and that is to be commended. It didn't deserve some type of second guessing then, and it doesn't deserve second guessing now. Regardless of what the person you saved does with their life, you did something that was objectively good.


*= Oddly some people replace the names with Spider-man and the Green Goblin, which makes the whole thing even more tenious. Since Norman is bad, but not that bad.

**= It also fails to take into account how when you deal with a seriel media, death isn't a permanent end. The Joker might just escape from the afterlife even more powerful. He might shift back to a prankster who performs boner-related crimes. You can only work with the framework that is in front of you. And in our real world, that means having a very limited time frame to make choics with limited information and just dealing with said consequences.

***= Mostly people who argue this think that they are engaging in some grand morality play. Since they think "killing people = mature."

crispix posted:

irish batman would prob just shoot out the villains' kneecaps for them yeah

forkboy84 posted:

Wait until my new Elseworlds series comes out, where Batman castrates his foes. Art by Frank Miller

Jedit posted:

What moral ambiguity? Did you not consider that the guy might have other mental health issues that led up to the suicide attempt, and that the drink driving might be part of the same thing? He may even have tried to catch the 8:45 in an unconventional fashion because the crashes were previous attempts and he'd had his keys taken away from him so he didn't try again.

bump_fn posted:

Jedit posted:

Cat-Imam

The Question IRL posted:

Yeah I agree. Because it just becomes like that proverb "when all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a nail."

Only replace hammer with "Lawgiver, Lawmaster bike and a sweet badge with my name on it" , problem with "other people" and nail with "perps."

Darth Walrus posted:

Which Green Goblin? Because the one in the comics is genuinely probably worse than the Joker - he's got a Jekyll-and-Hyde thing going on, except that the two settings are 'stable psychopath' and 'unstable psychopath', and he's arguably a greater spreader of misery when he's a corporate apex predator than when he's jumping on a glider and throwing explosive pumpkins at people. Dude's one of the biggest arguments in Marvel for the virtue of political assassination.

JeremoudCorbynejad posted:

when all you have is a Lawgiver, Lawmaster bike and a sweet badge with my name on it, every other people starts to look like a perps.

The Question IRL posted:

That's the weird thing.
Sometimes Norman is evil because the Green Goblin is bad and has done bad things.
Other times he is evil because he has mental health issues and the the Goblin juice reacts badly with anti-psychotic medications.
Then there are times where he is just a standard corporate sociopath with a Halloween themed Psycopath personality.

Then some of the times they imply that there is a sort of decent person there, who just makes awful decisions like selling his sons soul for reasons. Or makes the right decision (stopping the Skrull's invasion) for the wrong reason (to amass personal power.)

He is a bad guy who deserves to be in prison, but not someone who is so irredeemable evil that murder is the only out.

About the only person in the Marvel universe I'd say unquestionably needs to be capped would be the Red Skull. And that's because he is a Nazi who is as proportionally evil as Captain America is proportionally good.

forkboy84 posted:

I dunno, what's The Punisher's bodycount up to now? Because I am a mentally ill sicko I have been reading Marvel comics from "the start" (not the Timely stuff but Fantastic Four #1) over the last couple of years. I'm up to 1992/3 & between The Punisher, The Punisher War Journal & The Punisher War Zone he must already have a body count in 4 figures. So add 30 years of violence to that & Frank Castle will probably have killed more people than American's who died in the Vietnam War

forkboy84 posted:

I dunno, what's The Punisher's bodycount up to now? Because I am a mentally ill sicko I have been reading Marvel comics from "the start" (not the Timely stuff but Fantastic Four #1) over the last couple of years. I'm up to 1992/3 & between The Punisher, The Punisher War Journal & The Punisher War Zone he must already have a body count in 4 figures. So add 30 years of violence to that & Frank Castle will probably have killed more people than American's who died in the Vietnam War

forkboy84 posted:

I dunno, what's The Punisher's bodycount up to now? Because I am a mentally ill sicko I have been reading Marvel comics from "the start" (not the Timely stuff but Fantastic Four #1) over the last couple of years. I'm up to 1992/3 & between The Punisher, The Punisher War Journal & The Punisher War Zone he must already have a body count in 4 figures. So add 30 years of violence to that & Frank Castle will probably have killed more people than American's who died in the Vietnam War

Pistol_Pete posted:

I saw all the new posts, though perhaps Starmer had resigned but no, it's just you nerds going on about comic books.

Sanford posted:

The guy I stopped from jumping in front of a train on Friday night has crashed his car, pissed, twice in the past few months My brain keeps trying to start with “what about THAT moral ambiguity then, eh?” and shutting down in self-defence.

I got my wife to send him a message on FB saying [Sanford] says he met you on Friday, if you ever want to take the dog a walk knock on the door or drop him a line on [number]. I think that’s all I can do. Thanks to those who had advice to give on Friday night. The one real-life friend I told was all “Whoa dude, you saved his LIFE. That guy would be TOTALLY DEAD if not for you!” which didn’t help at all!

Tesseraction posted:

tfw you hosed over the previous leader over Brexit only to adopt the same policy and have the centrist cunts praise you for being forensic and practical

The Question IRL posted:

That's the weird thing.
Sometimes Norman is evil because the Green Goblin is bad and has done bad things.
Other times he is evil because he has mental health issues and the the Goblin juice reacts badly with anti-psychotic medications.
Then there are times where he is just a standard corporate sociopath with a Halloween themed Psycopath personality.

pumpinglemma posted:

God I hate Starmer so much.

Don't forget you also saved the train driver from some really serious trauma.

Failed Imagineer posted:

But what about Mrs. Norman?

a pipe smoking dog posted:

Yesterday they were crowing over his exciting new idea for a National Care Service, a thing no one has ever previously suggested.

Sanford posted:

In slightly more light-hearted local drama, Margaret from the supported living bungalows round the corner just came to the door and said “Can you come? Wilf’s fallen down the side of the washing machine and he can’t get out.” This was entirely true - he had his legs sticking up in the air like something out of a cartoon and when I went in he said (in broad Derbyshire, the proper kind you don’t get any more) “I’ve nor’urt me sen - I’m just bloody stuck!”

Jedit posted:

At the start of Ennis's MAX run Frank acknowledges that by 2004 his count is in the thousands, and Micro says that he helped Frank kill more than 800 people in a ten year association. He's not going to have outscored Vietnam, though - America had almost 60,000 dead from that.

Tesseraction posted:

How dare you Joromy Crombly!!! https://twitter.com/jrmaidment/status/1543898855925850112?t=viUcPG4KKyzfiH0UVcyF1w&s=19

No Dignity posted:

I know Remain was a catspaw for alot of centrist freaks but I hope the true believers are really feeling the full weight of their buyer remorse today

forkboy84 posted:

That seems really low. Just 800 in 10 years?

Jedit posted:

It's MAX, it went in for a bit more realism in that regard. Frank treats his war on crime like a military operation, making fewer attacks but meticulously planning them to maximise the damage caused by each, and there isn't an infinite supply of criminals for him to kill.

And let's be realistic here: 800 kills in 10 years is only low by the standards of a fictional super-killer. In real life he'd still be the most prolific peacetime murderer in history.

Tesseraction posted:

How dare you Joromy Crombly!!! https://twitter.com/jrmaidment/status/1543898855925850112?t=viUcPG4KKyzfiH0UVcyF1w&s=19

OwlFancier posted:

https://twitter.com/NewStatesman/status/1543854867244089345

Betteridge's law never stronger.

Jakabite posted:

Just got a promotion at work, but my manager said they weren’t blown away by my interview and it revealed a lot of areas for improvement. I was real excited to get this and thought I’d done quite well, but yeah just feeling really quite deflated to be honest. I think I might actually have some imposter syndrome which I’m very much not used to!