BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:

He wanted Christie because trumps only real belief is loyalty to him personally and Christie was super loyal after he dropped out and was responsible for destroying Rubio trumps only real threat

BiggerBoat posted:

It's pretty buts because if you were to make a Top Ten List of people who least embody the teachings of Christ, you'd have to put Trump on it somewhere, if not at the very top. But aside from abortion, I honestly can't figure out how people can conflate GOP policy with Christianity in the first place so yeah.

azflyboy posted:

I was under the impression that the Mittbot campaign picked Ryan because everyone thought he was a conservative wunderkind and was totally going to grab some of the youth vote from Obama, and Pence got picked because they wanted someone to appeal to the American Taliban wing of the party.

PeterWeller posted:

You're correct. Ryan was a rising star in the party and went on to a term as House Speaker. Then, after achieving his life-long dream of giving wealthy people and corporations a giant tax break and seeing the writing on the wall with regard to 2018's midterms, he retired into a lifetime sinecure as a guest on Fox.

nine-gear crow posted:

until Jared Kushner reminded Trump that Christie sent his father to prison.

BiggerBoat posted:

It's pretty buts because if you were to make a Top Ten List of people who least embody the teachings of Christ, you'd have to put Trump on it somewhere, if not at the very top. But aside from abortion, I honestly can't figure out how people can conflate GOP policy with Christianity in the first place so yeah.

nine-gear crow posted:

He also found people who were more noticeably obese than him to be extremely funny in his twisted sadist way and wanted to use Christie as a glorified bag boy for 4 years as VP until Jared Kushner reminded Trump that Christie sent his father to prison.

Murgos posted:

Trump is a pretty credible embodiment of each and every one of the seven deadly sins and yet they take pictures of themselves laying hands on him.

Mr Interweb posted:

you know, i was hoping that roe being overturned would cause the most centrist-y rightwing, frat boy types to realize what they may have accidentally signed up for, but who knows any self-reflection will occur. i may have mentioned this before, but i had a roommate many years ago. high school friend, atheist (the first atheist i actually met in fact!), seemingly liberal and tolerant and such, etc. but one day we were with some friends and the topic of abortion came up and i was shocked to find out that he was against it. partly cause, like i mentioned, i figured he was a fairly liberal guy, but even moreso for the reason he stated he was against it: cause he said if the woman wasn't "responsible" then they deserved to be "punished" for it. i was taken aback. he didn't even try to argue it was about the safety of the baby or anything like that. for him it was entirely to punish the woman. and this was someone who had sex with tons of women.

obviously i don't expect his kind to support abortion cause of any noble feminist reasons, but if nothing else, you'd think self-interest would manifest itself. but i worry there are a lot of younger dudes, those that grew up on gamergate, especially, that are completely fine with this cause, even if they wind up suffering from it themselves, it's still worth it for the paramount goal that is owning the libs.

Murgos posted:

Trump is a pretty credible embodiment of each and every one of the seven deadly sins and yet they take pictures of themselves laying hands on him.

BiggerBoat posted:

It's pretty buts because if you were to make a Top Ten List of people who least embody the teachings of Christ, you'd have to put Trump on it somewhere, if not at the very top. But aside from abortion, I honestly can't figure out how people can conflate GOP policy with Christianity in the first place so yeah.

Taerkar posted:

Also don't forget that it's not Christianity as much as it's American Christianity, which is almost always purely about justifying one's lovely beliefs or standards through cherrypicked bible passages.

FFT posted:

It's unique to the USA in how much power they hold.

BigglesSWE posted:

Which kind of surprise me tbh because I don’t see how a fundie Christian society would benefit the big corporate sponsor groups that otherwise hold so much sway over political movements.

FlamingLiberal posted:

I have no idea if Paul Ryan is a guest on Fox at all, but he is on their board of directors.

J.A.B.C. posted:

Don't forget the Golden Idol.

BigglesSWE posted:

Fun fact about the golden calf: it was not meant to signify a different God than Yahweh, just a specific representation of Yahweh that the people clamoured for because they felt they had been abandoned as Moses was up on Sinai/Horeb (Bible isn’t consistent with naming the mountain in question because ofc it isn’t) for weeks on end.

So the golden calf episode isn’t quite the type of sin that most take it for; the sin of the Israelites was to worship an idol of their God, not abandoning him. (Still gets them killed tho, because that’s how Yahweh do things).


Probably off topic but I’m a nerd who likes reading about the composition and original intent of the Bible.

Murgos posted:

Putting the cross everywhere has long been seen as idolatrous so many, has t stopped or even slowed them down.

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Despite the giant graphics blaring “MEANINGLESS” and “PURE THEATER,” Sean Hannity seemed rather panicked over Cassidy Hutchinson’s extremely damaging testimony to the January 6 committee yesterday as he tried to deflect to inflation, Black Lives Matter demonstrations, Hunter Biden, Nancy Pelosi and even Hillary Clinton.

Here are his tactics:

- Deflect to inflation

- Deflect to Black Lives Matter

- Attack Cassidy Hutchinson with lies
HANNITY: Today, we heard more rumors, a ton of hearsay, and wow a lot of impeached testimony that we'll get to in a second. And this is why it's never -- hearsay is never admissible in a real court of law, including this wild claim from a former low-level White House staffer.

Hearsay testimony is admissible in court, Sean - BiggerBoat



- Blowing up the significance of Trump yes-men’s denials about lunging at the Secret Service agent

- Hannity dishonestly suggested the Jan. 6 protesters weren’t really armed

- Hannity’s “zero guns” comment is beyond disingenuous and false. It also echoes a Tucker Carlson lie that none of the protesters were armed with guns.

As NPR noted, the protesters arrived at the Capitol armed with stun guns, pepper spray, baseball bats and flagpoles wielded as clubs. NPR also noted that someone allegedly planted pipe bombs by the headquarters of the Democratic and Republican parties the night before the riot and remains at large.

- Hannity tried to blame Nancy Pelosi with more falsehoods

Speaking of political theater, Hannity’s that is, Nancy Pelosi is not responsible for Capitol security.


Hannity concluded his attempt at damage control by bringing up Hunter Biden and Hillary Clinton

He also went after Rep. Liz Cheney. He said she is engaged in “one final hurrah at the bitter end of a sad and self-serving political career."

He complained that there isn’t a committee looking into the Black Lives Matter protests.

Murgos posted:

I expect that most people here understand the difference but Hutchinson was not providing hearsay evidence.

When she described Trump attacking Engles she was testifying to her direct conversation with Engles. What he told her happened. This is not hearsay. Engles may have lied to Hutchinson about the incident or exaggerated it, and neither of those would have been illegal, but Hutchinson's testimony about her conversation isn't hearsay.

KozmoNaut posted:

But "Denmark is just as dangerous as the US, they also have shootings!", right?

Tesseraction posted:

Likewise in the UK we banned handguns in 1997 and see if you spot a pattern shift between the 90s and the subsequence decades. And yes less people have died in all subsequent shootings than in the Buffalo shooting, let alone Uvalde.

And so often the gunfuckers talk about how we get all stabby instead. Which, somewhat true, but you're way more likely to survive it, and second of all, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Mass_stabbings_in_the_United_Kingdom

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No Safe Word posted:

Close, but an even dumber take is the actual one going around:
https://twitter.com/laurenboebert/status/1543684847171936259

FFT posted:

Better than "This list is incomplete; you can help by expanding it."

BiggerBoat posted:

Time to admit that restrictive abortion laws don't stop abortion! And strict drug penalties don't stop drug use!

Levantine posted:

Whatever a Conservative believes is true at any given time is true, regardless of any logical contradiction. "Contradiction" is just a liberal invention. All things are both true and untrue in any given situation to fit the argument being made that second, regardless of what was argued in the last second or will be in the next.