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Footballers exit the working class when they become landlords, which is very feral indeed.
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NinpoEspiritoSanto posted:So what, solidarity goes out the window for any worker that actually gets a fair wage? this is the dumbest post i have ever seen in this forum lol edit: and i've read my own posts nawilo_420 fucked around with this message at 12:36 on Jul 5, 2022 |
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Jul 5, 2022 12:28
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drat didn’t know it was possible to have yourself on ignore
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Jul 5, 2022 12:32
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Hakim Ziyech is Chelsea's only 29 year old 1st team player. Just in case that becomes useful information to anyone at any point.
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Jul 5, 2022 12:38
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The term "working class" is essentially meaningless at this point, for exactly this reason. It's either used by high-earning people who are nominally blue collar as a way to say that they deserve tax breaks on their company van (which is actually a Ford Ranger that carries a toolbox once a month) while binmen and people who work in shops are human detritus, or it's used as a dogwhistle for "pig ignorant and proud of the fact" in order to push right-wing agendas. But Ninpo's point is valid - footballers generally come from poor backgrounds and so the narrative in the media, 100%, is that they don't deserve their wages and that they should give them up to pay for nurses. Of course, you could just tax the people who own these media outlets, who earn hundreds of times what even Martin Braithwaite does, but you see they deserve that money more than nurses do. It's really obvious once you start to look for it. this has been your neville southall song of the week
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Jul 5, 2022 12:43
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the real question is whether patrick bamford or yoan gouffran are really working class
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Jul 5, 2022 12:46
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Posh footballers xi featuring Bamford, vialli, lampard and mido
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Jul 5, 2022 12:53
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I'm not British so could be way off here, but I always got the impression that there's a difference between class and wealth, no?
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Jul 5, 2022 12:54
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the sex ghost posted:Posh footballers xi featuring Bamford, vialli, lampard and mido Kaka, Pirlo, Pique, Van Persie Managed by Bielsa.
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Jul 5, 2022 12:56
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I hope the next lottery ticket will propel me into the upper class.
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Jul 5, 2022 13:03
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Mickolution posted:I'm not British so could be way off here, but I always got the impression that there's a difference between class and wealth, no? Yeah and especially so in the UK, our language is littered with sneering epithets aimed against people who aren't seen as deserving of their money due to their class background
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Jul 5, 2022 13:05
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Mickolution posted:I'm not British so could be way off here, but I always got the impression that there's a difference between class and wealth, no? Not really, what tends to happen is a gross misunderstanding of "wealth". A better idea of it is who is doing the exploiting/being exploited when it comes to generation of capital, financial vulnerability (how many billionaires do you hear of going bankrupt vs, say, footballers), success or perceived success via nepotism/cronyism, income to labour ratio etc. The income to labour ratio is a key one, as people often like to trot out that footballers just kick a bag of air about for a couple of hours a week, conveniently ignoring all the training/discipline that goes into being able to do that as well as what happens to their incomes if they stop doing that. The working class work for their money, upper classes work much less/not at all and are parasites on the working class.
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Jul 5, 2022 13:06
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Yeah and if footballers were paid less all that happens to that money is it goes into the pockets of eg, the Glazers.
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Jul 5, 2022 13:10
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It's wild how effectively the capital class has been able to condition people to resent athletes for their wages actually being in line with how much revenue their labor generates. Ninpo is right and I'm sorry if me being the one to say that fundamentally undermines his point.
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Jul 5, 2022 13:14
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Just to add before the point is brought up to make me look stupid, footballers that go into landlordism are class traitors and can get hosed.
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Jul 5, 2022 13:15
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I just don't know why Ninpo has turned another footballer doing some rapin' into class warfare.
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Jul 5, 2022 13:16
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NinpoEspiritoSanto posted:Not really, what tends to happen is a gross misunderstanding of "wealth". Concepts of class/wealth in many other countries much less hosed in the head than ours seem to track together on a roughly linear scale, in my experience. The UK is uniquely weird about our relationship with class because we still have an entrenched nobility and our society is thoroughly pervaded by deference to those perceived to be 'higher class', allowing someone like Boris Johnson to fall upwards into being PM just by virtue of his provenance. When people talk about class in the UK, they're talking about appearance, accent, demeanour, behaviour, fashion etc, and there's myriad examples of upper class or 'posh' people that are skint and people considered working class or 'common' even though they're minted. I get that you're coming at this from a different angle and you're right, but as most people on the street talk about or understand class I think it's divorced from wealth more in the UK than in pretty much every other nationality I've spoken about this with.
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Jul 5, 2022 13:18
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So when they become landlords does that mean they should have all of their rapes publicized? This is all so batshit insane.
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Jul 5, 2022 13:20
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Butterfly Valley posted:Concepts of class/wealth in many other countries much less hosed in the head than ours seem to track together on a roughly linear scale, in my experience. The UK is uniquely weird about our relationship with class because we still have an entrenched nobility and our society is thoroughly pervaded by deference to those perceived to be 'higher class', allowing someone like Boris Johnson to fall upwards into being PM just by virtue of his provenance. When people talk about class in the UK, they're talking about appearance, accent, demeanour, behaviour, fashion etc, and there's myriad examples of upper class or 'posh' people that are skint and people considered working class or 'common' even though they're minted. What? Boris Johnson was born into wealth, wtf? Class status is only derived from someone's accent or clothes by morons. blue footed boobie posted:So when they become landlords does that mean they should have all of their rapes publicized? This is all so batshit insane. Yeah that's precisely what I said you fuckin idiot. The gleeful whodunnit investigation and eagerness to get to the end of the Guess Who game was what I took issue with and you know it. Largely because I explained it to you already. NinpoEspiritoSanto fucked around with this message at 13:25 on Jul 5, 2022 |
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Jul 5, 2022 13:23
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NinpoEspiritoSanto posted:What? Boris Johnson was born into wealth, wtf? Yeah, that's exactly what he said.
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Jul 5, 2022 13:25
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Sadio Mane basically owns a village now but he's not sitting on a throne demanding the serfs bequeath him a percentage of their income. Yet. Footballers pay way more in taxes than companies and directors, they are working class heroes and agents are allies (RIP Mino).
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Jul 5, 2022 13:25
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NinpoEspiritoSanto posted:What? Boris Johnson was born into wealth, wtf? Did I say he wasn't? However if he had a strong Sheffield accent and didn't quote Tennyson or have the general vibe of upper class eccentricity that has been lauded for generations then there's no chance he'd be near the Premiership, given the same blunders and incompetence he's displayed the entirety of his life. I think you're overestimating how many people have a deep understanding of class warfare tbh. For most, it is about the superficial aspects.
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Jul 5, 2022 13:29
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Mickolution posted:I'm not British so could be way off here, but I always got the impression that there's a difference between class and wealth, no? There's at least 3 different understandings of what class means in the UK. The one most people understand is just tied to wealth, but there's also the one where anyone who sells their labour is working class. There's also a sort of caste system of class where a builder born into poverty (or a footballer, perhaps) could gain wealth and transition into having a successful business or a property portfolio and become a wealthy landlord, which would take them out of the 'working class' by the first two definitions, but would never make them good enough to be considered an equal by much of the professional middle class, let alone the upper class.
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Jul 5, 2022 13:29
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If he wears the armband, is he in management? These are the tough questions of our time.NinpoEspiritoSanto posted:Just to add before the point is brought up to make me look stupid, footballers that go into landlordism are class traitors and can get hosed. Cannon_Fodder fucked around with this message at 13:34 on Jul 5, 2022 |
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Jul 5, 2022 13:30
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Hundred millionaires are working class heroes who may rape privately. Once you lease a property you must rape in public. -Ninpo (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jul 5, 2022 13:31
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Butterfly Valley posted:Did I say he wasn't? However if he had a strong Sheffield accent and didn't quote Tennyson or have the general vibe of upper class eccentricity that has been lauded for generations then there's no chance he'd be near the Premiership, given the same blunders and incompetence he's displayed the entirety of his life. I think it's very inspirational of you lot to elect a fresh-faced first generation immigrant of little English heritage to the lofty title of Prime Minister. It's a story to tell your children, that yes, even they can become Prime Minister.
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Jul 5, 2022 13:32
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Shrapnig posted:I just don't know why Ninpo has turned another footballer doing some rapin' into class warfare. Everything is class warfare, op
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Jul 5, 2022 13:33
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Tsaedje posted:There's at least 3 different understandings of what class means in the UK. The idea of a "middle class" was invented to divide the working class. A successful and comfortable working class person is still working class. Their income is still dependent on how their labour is valued, and subject to exploitation by the capital class.
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Jul 5, 2022 13:34
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Lots of interesting discussions going on here but just so nobody gets confused I would again strongly recommend moving 'the ragged trousered trequartistas' into its own thread so this can be the one where brap3 can come back and post his detailed string maps of London footballers whereabouts in the borough of Barnet. Thanks everyone
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Jul 5, 2022 13:48
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OP, does this also include discussion on the landlording dogs of certain illiterate football professionals?
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40 v boring posts about class warfare and no mentioning of an internationally renowned partey in someone's pants. Shameful.
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Jul 5, 2022 13:51
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ephex posted:40 v boring posts about class warfare and no mentioning of an internationally renowned partey in someone's pants. Shameful. Partey's in Germany right now so it wasn't him.
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Jul 5, 2022 13:57
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sassassin posted:Partey's in Germany right now so it wasn't him. drat, so is ephex, makes you think.
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Jul 5, 2022 14:02
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sassassin posted:Partey's in Germany right now so it wasn't him. Xhaka's dad says he on holiday too. These libel laws are so dumb.
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Jul 5, 2022 14:04
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Waiting for a Fabrizio HERE WE GOOOO (to jail) tweet
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Jul 5, 2022 14:07
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sassassin posted:The idea of a "middle class" was invented to divide the working class. A successful and comfortable working class person is still working class. Their income is still dependent on how their labour is valued, and subject to exploitation by the capital class. I agree, but the reality is the UK has been indoctrinated differently.
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Tsaedje posted:There's also a sort of caste system of class where a builder born into poverty (or a footballer, perhaps) could gain wealth and transition into having a successful business or a property portfolio and become a wealthy landlord, which would take them out of the 'working class' by the first two definitions, but would never make them good enough to be considered an equal by much of the professional middle class, let alone the upper class. Yeah, that's exactly how I understand it and Footballers are a prime example of this.
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Jul 5, 2022 14:15
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the sex ghost posted:the ragged trousered trequartistas What does that even mean??
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NinpoEspiritoSanto posted:Just to add before the point is brought up to make me look stupid, footballers that go into landlordism are class traitors and can get hosed. tbf if I won the Euromillions tomorrow I'd 100% buy a property portfolio and live off the earnings, because I've no great desire to be poor as a form of dirty protest as with climate change, it's more an issue of institutional reforms than it is about letting down the tyres on your stepdad kevin's M5
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ilmucche posted:What does that even mean?? nobody knows, it's something to do with totti and playing in the hole and mick mccarthy making a face
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