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Serperoth
Feb 21, 2013




Shard posted:

I'm sorry what?

He made up some fake tweets from Tony they included that

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Shard
Jul 30, 2005

gently caress that dude

sticklefifer
Nov 11, 2003

by VideoGames
Konuwa was also the guy who had an exact percentage of how white an AEW tournament was, which ended up with something like 81% because he was counting multiracial people's whiteness toward his total.

Cavauro
Jan 9, 2008

He's also the guy who has brought up multiple times that it's not a "dude thing" to "mess around back there" after using the toilet.

Prokhor Zakharov
Dec 31, 2008

This is me as I make another great post


Good luck with your depression!

imagine cold cut konuwa thinking he could come at tony with posts lmao

edit: another lil lol

https://twitter.com/ThisIsNasty/status/1543815118965710848?t=kxGwTFZXQkgSa15O2BoHqA&s=19

Guillermus
Dec 28, 2009



Prokhor Zakharov posted:

imagine cold cut konuwa thinking he could come at tony with posts lmao

edit: another lil lol

https://twitter.com/ThisIsNasty/status/1543815118965710848?t=kxGwTFZXQkgSa15O2BoHqA&s=19

"I'm a dick and got owned but HEEEEEY BUDDY... I sent you a friendly message :smileyfacenotowned:"

Prokhor Zakharov
Dec 31, 2008

This is me as I make another great post


Good luck with your depression!
sorry you owned me :)

bebaloorpabopalo
Nov 23, 2005

I'm not interested in constructive criticism, believe me.
https://twitter.com/WWEGareth/status/1544034922725261313
https://twitter.com/bernardomayne/status/1544035668506120197
https://twitter.com/WWEG0/status/1544051577291300864
https://twitter.com/Ekkoniks/status/1544064168982085634
https://twitter.com/wwe_wwf_Junkie/status/1544078720591450112

Lamuella
Jun 26, 2003

It's like goldy or bronzy, but made of iron.



wow, these guys are dropping absolute bombs on WWE here.

Shard
Jul 30, 2005

Lol wwe wrestlers are so bad that these camera cuts are needed is certainly a burn on aew.

But doesn't matter wrestling is the worst part of a wrestling show anyway.

Destroy My Sweater
Jul 24, 2009

Seams posted:

There needs to be a No More BS match before every main event

Paul Wight vs Tim Heidecker let's go

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
https://twitter.com/IWCkilledKenny/status/1544008910314651648?t=Kn4REQJZLKuAYQ1r1BThFw&s=19

It is a very short conversation.

mearn
Aug 2, 2011

Kevin Harvick's #1 Fan!

https://twitter.com/IWCkilledKenny/status/1544012407395291146

"This show meant to keep the attention of toddlers has just as many camera cuts."

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
Also not cuts

rotinaj
Sep 5, 2008

Fun Shoe
I laugh every time a brand new one of these dudes comes out of nowhere with a podcast, a nickname, a graphic, an attitude, and zero interactions

JUNGLE BOY
Sep 23, 2019

mearn posted:

https://twitter.com/IWCkilledKenny/status/1544012407395291146

"This show meant to keep the attention of toddlers has just as many camera cuts."

cocomelon has lots of quick cuts and they have billions of views, once again the IWC proves they know nothing about making real entertainment

Alaois
Feb 7, 2012

WWE sensory videos

Destroy My Sweater
Jul 24, 2009

isn't it well documented that frequent cuts in modern cartoons are like destroying attention spans further and/or are there to hold kids' attention IDK I don't want to sound like a boomer but

Cult of Pies
Oct 2, 2021

Junkie watched the same episode of RAW twice.

Drakkel
May 6, 2007

IT'S LIKE I CAN TOUCH YOU!
By 2040 WWE shows will just be a series of flashing lights with AI-generated commentary

1glitch0
Sep 4, 2018

I DON'T GIVE A CRAP WHAT SHE BELIEVES THE HARRY POTTER BOOKS CHANGED MY LIFE #HUFFLEPUFF

Drakkel posted:

By 2040 WWE shows will just be a series of flashing lights with AI-generated commentary

Anyone have that gif of sleepy girls dumping balls on that girl where it looks like the entire thing was a compression artifact? We're almost already there!

Alexander Hamilton
Dec 29, 2008
Bluey is genuinely pretty funny

Tweak
Jul 28, 2003

or dont whatever








how dare they even attempt to compare the awfulness of wwe with the greatness of bluey

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

~*4 LIFE*~
What the hell is Bluey?

Tweak
Jul 28, 2003

or dont whatever








it’s a kids show about australian dogs that is mostly palatable to the parents in the same room

sticklefifer
Nov 11, 2003

by VideoGames

Destroy My Sweater posted:

isn't it well documented that frequent cuts in modern cartoons are like destroying attention spans further and/or are there to hold kids' attention IDK I don't want to sound like a boomer but
You know the WWE stans would be complaining nonstop about the visuals if they ever watched a hard cam indie show.

Fish Of Doom
Aug 18, 2004
I'm too awake for this to be a nightmare


mearn posted:

https://twitter.com/IWCkilledKenny/status/1544012407395291146

"This show meant to keep the attention of toddlers has just as many camera cuts."

There's literally only 13 cuts in that clip and most of them are just switching to closeups of whatever ever character is talking. They're also just walking right to left and the camera isn't flying around them at all different angles so it's not disorienting.

It's so weird that WWE fans can't admit that any aspect of their product needs improvement. Like everything is already perfect and it's worth the effort to contort your brain in the weirdest ways to come to that conclusion.

Fish Of Doom fucked around with this message at 07:12 on Jul 5, 2022

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Fish Of Doom posted:

There's literally only 13 cuts in that clip and most of them are just switching to closeups of whatever ever character is talking. They're also just walking right to left and the camera isn't flying around them at all different angles so it's not disorienting.

I gave it to the boys in the WWE truck to "fix" it with their world class production techniques:

https://i.imgur.com/g4AeAAD.mp4

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

~*4 LIFE*~

Jerusalem posted:

I gave it to the boys in the WWE truck to "fix" it with their world class production techniques:

https://i.imgur.com/g4AeAAD.mp4

:prepop:

Lamuella
Jun 26, 2003

It's like goldy or bronzy, but made of iron.


A big part of the problem is beyond the number of cuts into the syntax of the cuts.

Watching Dark Elevation right now, and they use a fair amount of camera cuts, but these cuts delineate action beats. Trent locks up, does a headlock takeover, and we cut to the shot of the guy hitting the mat. Best Friends double suplex someone, we get one shot for the lift and hold and another for the landing. They're cuts to keep an eye on the action. You never find yourself looking at the cuts instead of looking at the match. Whereas cuts in WWE matches often move away from the stuff you want to see.

Drakkel
May 6, 2007

IT'S LIKE I CAN TOUCH YOU!
The big thing with WWE camera cuts isn't just the frequency but the way they cut so fast between completely different angles in a way that makes it a complete mess to keep track of what's going on, and that's compounded by the constant camera shakes and zoom ins. Someone does a move in a WWE match and the camera is frantically cutting from the hard cam to a handheld cam on the other side of the ring to random crowd shots then back to the ring and by the time they stop cutting you have no loving idea what happened.

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





Lid posted:

Also not cuts

also not, in fact, 30 cuts in 40 seconds, but 13 in 39 seconds, most of which were zooms

a good reply:
https://twitter.com/Bart_Giamatti/status/1544184719478251521
https://twitter.com/Bart_Giamatti/status/1544186578435809280

e:f;b

Venomous fucked around with this message at 08:53 on Jul 5, 2022

Guillermus
Dec 28, 2009



Is this some kind of Internet challenge? And by challenge I mean doubling down on the most dumb takes about wrestling, production, booking or just morality.

I'm new to this whole awful drones defending sex pests and other poo poo and I don't see that will end anytime soon.

Testekill
Nov 1, 2012

I demand to be taken seriously

:aronrex:

Drakkel posted:

The big thing with WWE camera cuts isn't just the frequency but the way they cut so fast between completely different angles in a way that makes it a complete mess to keep track of what's going on, and that's compounded by the constant camera shakes and zoom ins. Someone does a move in a WWE match and the camera is frantically cutting from the hard cam to a handheld cam on the other side of the ring to random crowd shots then back to the ring and by the time they stop cutting you have no loving idea what happened.

WWE production is incredibly disorientating. It's not just the cuts but the zooming and shaky cam as well, I don't know how anyone can watch it and not feel like puking.

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





tbh higher frequency of cuts + shakycam action sequences are almost mandatory features of mainstream cinema nowadays, and it sucks

I remember seeing The Bourne Identity in the cinema and finding it extremely hard to follow all the shakycam fight scenes back then, and idk if folks were doing it before then, but either way, I started seeing it in films a lot more after that, and it's never stopped sucking poo poo

also, the frequency of cuts in cinema has become a lot shorter over the past century:

the WIRED article above posted:

The average shot length of English language films has declined from about 12 seconds in 1930 to about 2.5 seconds today, Cutting said. At the Academy event he showed a scatter plot with data from the British film scholar Barry Salt, who’s calculated the average shot duration in more than 15,000 movies made between 1910 and 2010. That’s a lot of shots. In a 2010 study, Cutting found an average of 1,132 shots per film in a smaller sample of 150 movies made between 1935 and 2010; the King Kong remake, incidentally, had the most: A whopping 3,099 shots packed into 187 minutes.



The average shot length in English language films has been declining, according to research by James Cutting. The graph in top right shows the same trend reflected in a larger dataset compiled by the British film scholar Barry Salt.  James Cutting

Cutting says some people have tried to pin declining shot lengths on MTV, by invoking a sort of video-killed-the-attention-span hypothesis. He doesn’t buy it. For one thing, Salt’s graph of declining shot durations has no obvious inflection point in or after 1982, the year MTV was born. Shot durations were declining before that, and they kept declining at a similar rate after.

Cutting isn’t sure what’s driving the change. One factor could be that older films tended to pack more characters into a shot. As a result, film makers had to allow more time for viewers to look around to see who was there. In one recent study Cutting found that each additional character added 1.5 seconds to the length of a shot on average.

in conclusion: Kevin Dunn sucks, but so does literally every other Hollywood editor

A Fancy Hat
Nov 18, 2016

Always remember that the former President was dumber than the dumbest person you've ever met by a wide margin

WWE's style to me will always be summed up by that video of the camera guy physically moving back and forth to create a zoom in/zoom out effect. That or the time the camera pretty much zoomed up into Lacey Evan's rear end in a top hat.

Also lol forever at ThisIsNasty getting repeatedly owned online and then doubling down with the "okay now you're paying attention to me, like I always planned!" each and every time.

keithy george
Jan 8, 2008

What the gently caress does he mean “I only see people complain about camera cuts when I go online. When I just watch WWE I don’t hear the commentators talk about how poo poo the constant cuts look. I only see opinions when I look at them.”

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003



keithy george posted:

What the gently caress does he mean “I only see people complain about camera cuts when I go online. When I just watch WWE I don’t hear the commentators talk about how poo poo the constant cuts look. I only see opinions when I look at them.”
He was at a live event and there wasn't a single camera cut so no one commented on it, obviously.

JUNGLE BOY
Sep 23, 2019

The Offline Wrestling Community (my barber, people at coffee shops) never complains about this stuff

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MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!
Mark Madden's interactions are the funniest poo poo lately.

https://twitter.com/MarkMaddenX/status/1544193938277314560

It's almost like he's a giant "mark"

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