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Yeah, out of everyone Ashe is the character who's changed the most between 3 Houses and 3 Hopes. While people like Sylvain or Ingrid mostly just lost their flaws and became boring, Ashe is actively almost the opposite person he was in 3 Houses and its incredibly bizarre.
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I liked Ashe in SB, he’s guilty and conflicted about leaving the kingdom in a way that feels realistic. Normally FE recruits start chopping up their former allies without a second thought, so it was a nice change to see someone with more complicated feelings about it.
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Snake Maze posted:I liked Ashe in SB, he’s guilty and conflicted about leaving the kingdom in a way that feels realistic. Normally FE recruits start chopping up their former allies without a second thought, so it was a nice change to see someone with more complicated feelings about it. I appreciate how Mercie is like "As long as we don't have to kill Annette, I'm game." https://twitter.com/norue67/status/1520587360093843456?lang=cs
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Jul 6, 2022 19:00
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In Three Houses Lonato rebels while Ashe is still in school. Also pointedly Lonato does not rebel against the Kingdom, he just raises a small host and starts beelining for the Monastery to get his revenge on the Church. The conflict for Ashe is entirely a personal one and he gets told multiple times he could and should sit this one out, but he insists on coming along at least on AM because he feels he needs to confront Lonato. Meanwhile in Three Hopes Lonato rebels against the Kingdom, of which Ashe has since become a knight and personal retainer of King Dimitri. It's no longer just a personal tragedy: Ashe has a societal obligation to march out and directly assist with killing his father figure, and is put in a position where upholding his ideal of knighthood - the noble warrior who fights against evil and lays down their life for king and country - means doing so. If you recruit him on SB, he forsakes his ideals in exchange for Lonato's safety, but this basically breaks him as a person because he threw away his friends, country, and ideals of chivalry in the process. IMO it's honestly the best way a character reacts to being recruited away since Felix in CF, where it actually creates a genuine conflict in them that results in them coming out the other end a changed person, and not always for the better.
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Snake Maze posted:I liked Ashe in SB, he’s guilty and conflicted about leaving the kingdom in a way that feels realistic. Normally FE recruits start chopping up their former allies without a second thought, so it was a nice change to see someone with more complicated feelings about it. I mean that’s more realistic to medieval politics than fire emblem tends to be. It’s literally nothing personal
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The funniest recruit on SB is Shamir because you recruit her by promising to let Catherine live. Catherine then has to die on the last level. 
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Eimi posted:I appreciate how Mercie is like "As long as we don't have to kill Annette, I'm game." I killed Annette in my playthrough because I didn't realize you could save her. After at the base Mercedes is crying in a corner of the chapel and if you try to talk to her she gets about as close as Mercedes can possibly get to just straight telling you to gently caress off and leave her alone. 
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Sydin posted:I killed Annette in my playthrough because I didn't realize you could save her. After at the base Mercedes is crying in a corner of the chapel and if you try to talk to her she gets about as close as Mercedes can possibly get to just straight telling you to gently caress off and leave her alone. gently caress that's heart breaking. I'm glad my completionist tendencies meant I had the correct tactic.
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Jul 6, 2022 19:11
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Yeah ngl I was totally angling to kill Annette just so I could steal her hammer and then never use it, which turned out to be the way you spare her, and still gets you the hammer! Felt kind of like a bad guy, but I lied to Mercedes and said that was my plan all along and she was very happy with that, which made me feel better.
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Jul 6, 2022 19:45
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Yeah but can edelgard crush a man’s skull with her bare hands? Check and mate 
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I had Mercie deliver the killing blow.
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RoyalScion posted:Yeah but can edelgard crush a man’s skull with her bare hands? Check and mate if girls were allowed to be brawlers, probably!
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Jul 6, 2022 19:50
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Augus posted:if girls were allowed to be brawlers, probably! Where's war cleric dammit  Or dark flier but that one would be less unique in a musou compared to standard mages.
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Jul 6, 2022 20:01
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In Three Houses I saw Edelgard tear a dragon to shreds with her bare hands, pretty sure she can handle some measly mens' skulls.
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Edelgard is an anagram for Edgelard
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Basically every optional recruit on Golden Wildfire except for Balthus feels enormously out of place and tacked on. You kidnap basically all of them at swordpoint and there's no logical or personal reason why they should be fighting on your side at all beyond "please don't kill me".
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Jul 6, 2022 20:15
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It’s weird that it’s a huge recurring topic in supports and other dialogue that Dimitris crest makes him the Incredible Hulk. Crushing skulls through helmets, Lifting carriages one handed, biologically incapable of sewing, shatters weapons just by using them etc. And it sells the idea that Crests are game changers in war. But we never get anything like that from any other crest bearer. Linhardt is like “I guess I’m a little better at magic” but no one is superhuman like Dimitri.
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galagazombie posted:It’s weird that it’s a huge recurring topic in supports and other dialogue that Dimitris crest makes him the Incredible Hulk. Crushing skulls through helmets, Lifting carriages one handed, biologically incapable of sewing, shatters weapons just by using them etc. And it sells the idea that Crests are game changers in war. But we never get anything like that from any other crest bearer. Linhardt is like “I guess I’m a little better at magic” but no one is superhuman like Dimitri. You get it with Hilda. When she goes toe to toe with Dimitri.
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If anything it's a touch inconsistent. Catherine has a major crest and is a one woman wrecking ball, Jeralt likewise is a first generation crest-bearer is essentially mythologized as the greatest warrior the knights ever saw past or present, Hilda's crest basically makes her Holst-lite even though she barely ever bothers training, Lysithia is stated both in dialogue and shown in game to be an absurdly powerful mage who blows out wizened career spellcasters despite being in her mid-teens, etc. But then you've got Sylvain, Linhardt, Ingrid, etc who are just kinda there and you never really get the sense they have crest super powers like the others.
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Sydin posted:If anything it's a touch inconsistent. Catherine has a major crest and is a one woman wrecking ball, Jeralt likewise is a first generation crest-bearer is essentially mythologized as the greatest warrior the knights ever saw past or present, Hilda's crest basically makes her Holst-lite even though she barely ever bothers training, Lysithia is stated both in dialogue and shown in game to be an absurdly powerful mage who blows out wizened career spellcasters despite being in her mid-teens, etc. Lin is super-humanly lazy, Sylvain is the greatest flirt the world has ever known and every bit of Ingrid’s crest power is being used to tamp down her barely latent homosexuality Not every crest is a war thing
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I've always liked this post that goes into how the crests influence the holders personality. https://www.reddit.com/r/fireemblem/comments/d7iji7/the_influence_of_crests_the_crests_are_to_blame/ Lin is an extremely gifted healer and he hates violence, just like Flayn. Indech, like Bernadetta, preferred solitude and was incredibly skilled with his hands. Multiple crest holders love sweets to an incredible degree, because holding a crest makes you prefer them. On one hand I would've liked to see a game where crest holders are that far above non crest holders, but I do prefer the current game where people are much more equal mechanically.
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Also Ferdinand comes from a family of rotten tyrants, yet is the most forthright, earnest and upstanding dude there is, whose one fault is an overbearing attitude that tends to lead to bad first impressions. And he just happens to have the same crest as Caspar's dad.Eimi posted:On one hand I would've liked to see a game where crest holders are that far above non crest holders, but I do prefer the current game where people are much more equal mechanically. I mean we already got basically that in Descent of Jihad; units without Holy Blood were perfectly adequate, but they could never hold a candle to the likes of Lewyn, Altena or Shannan, who had both way better stats and insanely overpowered unique weapons. I kind of prefer when all characters are mechanically viable. Zulily Zoetrope fucked around with this message at 21:12 on Jul 6, 2022 |
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I would have liked it if they made crests a bit stronger (and, more importantly, more interesting and thematic), since they're so important to the setting. Put them on the level of a good personal skill, at least. As it is the gameplay/story divide is huge, because in the narrative having a crest is a big loving deal that nobles arrange marriage for and the slytherers do all sorts of experiments over, but then in gameplay it's "2.5% chance to save 3 durability when using a weapon art" or something completely unnoticeable. They don't need to be game breaking or anything but ideally you'd care about their existence.
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Snake Maze posted:I would have liked it if they made crests a bit stronger (and, more importantly, more interesting and thematic), since they're so important to the setting. Put them on the level of a good personal skill, at least. Yeah if it was personal skill level, or even just....100% of the time or something where you notice it but someone without it is still viable because they'd just be a focused type of thing. Zulily Zoetrope posted:Also Ferdinand comes from a family of rotten tyrants, yet is the most forthright, earnest and upstanding dude there is, whose one fault is an overbearing attitude that tends to lead to bad first impressions. And he just happens to have the same crest as Caspar's dad. Yeah I was also gonna say just Genealogy in general.  Also important that Ferdinand's crest is Seteth's. Which actually I somehow never squared that circle before and that perfectly explains how he is how he is despite his dad being the worst.
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Snake Maze posted:As it is the gameplay/story divide is huge, because in the narrative having a crest is a big loving deal that nobles arrange marriage for and the slytherers do all sorts of experiments over, but then in gameplay it's "2.5% chance to save 3 durability when using a weapon art" or something completely unnoticeable. They don't need to be game breaking or anything but ideally you'd care about their existence. Even a minor do-nothing Crest can unlock the corresponding relic, and IIRC the relics are a "swings the course of a battle" kind of thing, storywise.
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"Multiple crest holders love sweets to an incredible degree, because holding a crest makes you prefer them." I'd have thought that was just 'burning a lot of energy'.
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Khizan posted:Even a minor do-nothing Crest can unlock the corresponding relic, and IIRC the relics are a "swings the course of a battle" kind of thing, storywise. That's true, and the relics definitely do a better job of being a big deal in gameplay, but in the narrative the crests are also supposed to be a big deal on their own and not just as a relic key. In practice I don't think I ever cared what crest someone had or if it was major or minor because the effects were either so minor as to be insignificant, so rare that you'd never gamble on them, or both.
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Bloodly posted:"Multiple crest holders love sweets to an incredible degree, because holding a crest makes you prefer them." Not sure how much energy Linhardt, Constance and Lysithea are burning. Or are you suggesting the best cardio in the three houses universe is casting magic? 
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Imagine if Raphael had a crest that made him even hungrier. He'd be unstoppable
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Am I the only one here who likes the Blue Lions? All this dumping on AG is really bumming me out
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Eimi posted:I've always liked this post that goes into how the crests influence the holders personality. https://www.reddit.com/r/fireemblem/comments/d7iji7/the_influence_of_crests_the_crests_are_to_blame/ i think its way cooler for the crests to not really influence someone's personality, just their abilities, because that starts leaning into some weird magical charisma brain Stuff real quickly (especially with edelgard, as stated in that post) anyways im looking forward to doing claudes route in this game when i finish 3 houses 15 years from now
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Deltasquid posted:Not sure how much energy Linhardt, Constance and Lysithea are burning. Or are you suggesting the best cardio in the three houses universe is casting magic? It does burn energy, and Lysithea with her two crests and crazy magic output is by far the most sweets obsessed character in the game.
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Deltasquid posted:Not sure how much energy Linhardt, Constance and Lysithea are burning. Or are you suggesting the best cardio in the three houses universe is casting magic? Linhardt sure, but Lysithea is constantly burning the candle at both ends because she knows she doesn’t have a lot of time, and you can’t tell me that Mad-Scientist-Constance doesn’t burn a the midnight oil every night on her projects.
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Eimi posted:Also important that Ferdinand's crest is Seteth's. Which actually I somehow never squared that circle before and that perfectly explains how he is how he is despite his dad being the worst. Oh that's what I was actually implying, but I was gonna lead to a joke about how horny Ferdinand and Flayn's support that is and how weird the context makes it, and randomly remembered noticing that Leopold had the same crest and thought the swerve would be funnier. Deltasquid posted:Not sure how much energy Linhardt, Constance and Lysithea are burning. Or are you suggesting the best cardio in the three houses universe is casting magic? Coco and Lys are literally working themselves to exhaustion on a regular basis, and Lys is slated to die in her twenties because her crests are killing her. Oddball is exhausted all the time, and happens to bear the crest of someone who slept for a whole dang millenium in order to survive. They're some of the strongest cases for crests influencing people. SgtSteel91 posted:Am I the only one here who likes the Blue Lions? All this dumping on AG is really bumming me out I like most of them, Dedue, Felix, Annette and Mercedes are good people, and Dimitri is a good kid when he's not doing geopolitics. I just don't like the plots that revolve around them. Booky posted:i think its way cooler for the crests to not really influence someone's personality, just their abilities, because that starts leaning into some weird magical charisma brain Stuff real quickly (especially with edelgard, as stated in that post) Yeah I'm not a fan of the supernatural determinism angle, but I think it's hard to claim that there isn't at least some degree of influence that was intended by the writers. Zulily Zoetrope fucked around with this message at 22:08 on Jul 6, 2022 |
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SgtSteel91 posted:Am I the only one here who likes the Blue Lions? All this dumping on AG is really bumming me out They have playable Flayn and the other routes do not. Therefore they have the best route.
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Eimi posted:I really hope that the next mainline game keeps that focus on the political nitty gritty, on making the protagonists grey, and ultimately having your actions be kind of messy. If there's one element I love out of Houses (aside from the gay), it's that. Deltasquid posted:"As in all things, this is for Lady Edelgard" Hubert yells, as he throws a folding chair into the ring Eimi posted:I appreciate how Mercie is like "As long as we don't have to kill Annette, I'm game." 
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:They have playable Flayn and the other routes do not. Therefore they have the best route. But you don't have Count Bergliez on your side.
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SgtSteel91 posted:Am I the only one here who likes the Blue Lions? All this dumping on AG is really bumming me out Frankly it's just disappointing that Koei and Intsys listened to the fools and trolls that said Dimitri becoming an insane beserker that hallucinates the voices of the dead telling him to brutally murder all his enemies was dumb and bad when actually it was very good and cool. A Dimitri that doesn't go full Boarman just ain't my guy.
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Hunt11 posted:But you don't have Count Bergliez on your side. Or Holst. SyntheticPolygon posted:Frankly it's just disappointing that Koei and Intsys listened to the fools and trolls that said Dimitri becoming an insane beserker that hallucinates the voices of the dead telling him to brutally murder all his enemies was dumb and bad when actually it was very good and cool. Initially they couldn't find the balance between batshit insane and sympathetic. Then they couldn't find the balance between sympathetic and interesting.
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Hunt11 posted:But you don't have Count Bergliez on your side. Oh, it's a difficult choice to be sure but having a Flayn is better than not having a Flayn.
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