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Today I found out that before Adrian Tchaikovsky, Charles Stross wrote a 40k short called Monastery of Death back in the day
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i read it. it was good
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Jul 6, 2022 02:36
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stross invented the slaad, they made the slann to sell leftover slaad figures, the slann became the basis for the lore about the old ones, so he also indirectly invented the old ones
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Jul 6, 2022 02:37
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Pretty sure Slaad are D&D originals and didn't make an appearance in 40k, though Slann definitely did. The crossover could be from old GW doing D&D minis and when they moved on from that repurposed some of those old miniature lines.
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Jul 6, 2022 03:46
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they started warhammer in the first place because wargaming needs like 10x the number of minis as rpg's
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Jul 6, 2022 03:54
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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/07/06/the-inside-track-on-witchbringer-a-story-about-coming-home-and-finding-that-home-has-changed/ New 40k book announced, by a new author even. This one is about a Primaris Psyker, the human ones attached to Guard regiments and not the Space Marine ones to be precise.
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Jul 6, 2022 16:04
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Cooked Auto posted:https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/07/06/the-inside-track-on-witchbringer-a-story-about-coming-home-and-finding-that-home-has-changed/ Ok this is a really great premise so I hope this new author can live up to it. I really hope we get to see a significant look at what goes on in the training and its not 100% set after she is done and back with her regiment. Cover art is great. Looking forward to this one I hope it doesn't disappoint.
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Jul 6, 2022 16:26
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She must be a pretty powerful psyker is she gets to keep her eyes.
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Jul 6, 2022 17:25
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no thats the astropaths
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Jul 6, 2022 17:29
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bob dobbs is dead posted:no thats the astropaths Same thing, taken by the black ships, judged stable and powerful enough to not be murdered or fed to Easy-E or astropathed, but to become a sanctioned psyker, and then they survived enough battles without accidentally blowing up everyone around them to attain the status of Primaris.
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Jul 6, 2022 17:36
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but the ordinary sanctioned psykers get to keep their eyeballs 
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Jul 6, 2022 18:02
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My understand was that all psykers/astropaths taken aboard the black ships and allowed to live are soul bound to the Emperor and this process usually burns out their optic nerves. only the most powerful are able to resist this. I could be wrong here. Either way, I'm looking forward to the book.
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Jul 6, 2022 18:19
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I dont know her eyes look like they're on fire in that cover art.
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Jul 6, 2022 18:57
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Chemtrailologist posted:My understand was that all psykers/astropaths taken aboard the black ships and allowed to live are soul bound to the Emperor and this process usually burns out their optic nerves. only the most powerful are able to resist this.
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Jul 6, 2022 19:06
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There's also plenty of psyker inquisitors that still have their eyes. Maybe the Space Gestapo gets better treatment or something though
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Jul 6, 2022 19:09
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heres that ol discussion of it in the worse wiki https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/f/p/3100000000000001862
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Jul 6, 2022 19:09
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Only Astropaths get soul bound.
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Jul 6, 2022 19:13
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I'm assuming Inquisition psykers are vouched for by the authority of whoever recruited them. There's no indication Eisenhorn or Ravenor were ever soulbound, not the psychic members of their warband. For everyone else I'd assume they're tested, and there's 4 categories. 1) Too powerful and dangerous to risk, kill them by whatever is the most expeditious means. 2) Too weak/uncontrollable/irregular, or some combination thereoff, fed to Big E. 3) Sufficent telepathic potential to be worth training as an Astropath. Because you need a certain base level of such talent to make an effective Astropath. Send them to Terra for soulbinding and training. 4) A useful and controllable level of power, but minimal telepathic talents. Send them to be battle psykers, probably after the Inquisition secretly gets first dibs. So that's where all the pure telekines, biomancers and pyrokinetics etc end up. This is what's supposed to happen. The reality in the Imperium is there's all the people who slip through the cracks. Cults, noble house pet psykers, in criminal gangs, people just really good at hiding what they can do, etc, etc. Edit: Additionally, I've not read this anywhere, but my own personal head canon is that telepaths and closely related talents are way more vulnerable to daemonic influence and eventual possession as opposed to say a psyker who can just sling stuff around with his mind. So that's another reason they need to be Soulbound unless you're really sure of their resistance to that. Edit 2 Also it would make way more sense that a powerful Astropath, or a coven of them, could Soulbind locally, acting as a proxy and you could have sector/sub-sector schools, rather than every Astropath in the galaxy has to be taken to Terra, trained up, and then individually assigned across an entire drat galaxy, which can take years or worse to transit. They must need a kajillion of them. But we're back to the old "GW writers have no sense of scale" perennial topic of discussion again. Deptfordx fucked around with this message at 20:49 on Jul 6, 2022 |
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Jul 6, 2022 20:12
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wiegieman posted:Only Astropaths get soul bound. Yeah, Astropaths are the soulbpund ones, everyone else just gets sorted and then whatever training or implants or such
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Jul 6, 2022 20:27
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Were there any books starring non-inquisition non-SM psykers before this?
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Jul 6, 2022 20:49
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Deptfordx posted:4) A useful and controllable level of power, but minimal telepathic talents. Send them to be battle psykers, probably after the Inquisition secretly gets first dibs. So that's where all the pure telekines, biomancers and pyrokinetics etc end up. Yeah this is a good point. The Inquisition was formed in the same circumstances of the Emperor starting to need feeding every day, and both the Inquisition and Sisters of Silence run the Black Ships, so they'll definitely be taking "first pick". But they won't be looking for raw power imo, and most Inquisitors seem to be non-psychic. A lot of the most powerful psykers, especially ones with the focused killing abilities like pyrokinesis etc, will be sent straight to the Imperial Guard, probably, since the Guard will be going through Psykers at a much faster rate than the Inquisition due to being such a bigger organisation. But someone who has some subtler powers and is also a good fit for an Acolyte/Interrogater/Inquisitor role in the future, I reckon they get sent to become someone like Eisenhorn or Covenant. Brendan Rodgers fucked around with this message at 21:09 on Jul 6, 2022 |
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Jul 6, 2022 21:03
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Brendan Rodgers posted:Yeah this is a good point. This is pretty much it, the most powerful at the proper age also may be sent to become space marine librarians or even grey knights. Only astropaths are soulbound. I believe it has something to do with the way they have to really open themselves up to the warp to send and especially receive messages and thus greater danger as opposed to battle psychics who are pulling some warp power into themselves to use.
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Jul 6, 2022 21:16
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D-Pad posted:This is pretty much it, the most powerful at the proper age also may be sent to become space marine librarians or even grey knights. Maybe some chapters that have a good relationship with the Inquisition, but in general the Space Marines will be finding Psykers in their own way since they're kinda separate from a lot of Imperium bureaucracy. A lot of the time they will find them on their own recruiting planet(s), or tithe planet(s), for better or worse. Actually, now I'm starting to think that the first "dibs" would go to the Grey Knights.
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Jul 6, 2022 21:24
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FPyat posted:Were there any books starring non-inquisition non-SM psykers before this?
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Jul 6, 2022 21:32
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Grey Knights use a lot more scrying and prognostication than other branches of the adeptus terra, so they probably identify suitable candidates individually and go requisition or extract them rather than perusing the psyker bin at the local Imperium Mart
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Jul 6, 2022 21:32
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I thought psyking was part of their genetic upgrades . Gene seed I think they call it
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Jul 6, 2022 21:33
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Brendan Rodgers posted:Maybe some chapters that have a good relationship with the Inquisition, but in general the Space Marines will be finding Psykers in their own way since they're kinda separate from a lot of Imperium bureaucracy. A lot of the time they will find them on their own recruiting planet(s), or tithe planet(s), for better or worse. Geneseed tends to activate latent psykers (since all the primarchs were warp beings themselves.) They usually have plenty of psykers just emerging during recruitment.
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Jul 6, 2022 21:34
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They weren’t all psykers tho Even if they were all warp creatures I guess . Grey knights gene seed is from E I think .
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Jul 6, 2022 21:36
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:Grey Knights use a lot more scrying and prognostication than other branches of the adeptus terra, so they probably identify suitable candidates individually and go requisition or extract them rather than perusing the psyker bin at the local Imperium Mart They definitely do what you're saying too, but they're integrated with the Ordo Malleus so the Inquisition's first draft is still their draft.
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Jul 6, 2022 21:39
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euphronius posted:They weren’t all psykers tho Even if they were all warp creatures I guess . Grey Knights use loyalist death guard geneseed, with recruits who are confirmed to be strong psykers already. It's not the geneseed that matters as much as being powerful and the complete mind wipes and heavy training.
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Jul 6, 2022 21:47
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wiegieman posted:Grey Knights use loyalist death guard geneseed, with recruits who are confirmed to be strong psykers already. Wait what? Where's that from?
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Jul 6, 2022 21:48
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Flight of the Eisenstein, I think?
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Jul 6, 2022 22:51
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It’s a reference to the fact that some of the first grey knights were the knights errant, but those weren’t all death guard. Rubio was one of them, and he’s an ultramarine.
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Jul 6, 2022 23:08
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Brendan Rodgers posted:Maybe some chapters that have a good relationship with the Inquisition, but in general the Space Marines will be finding Psykers in their own way since they're kinda separate from a lot of Imperium bureaucracy. A lot of the time they will find them on their own recruiting planet(s), or tithe planet(s), for better or worse. I just got done reading the end of The Hollow Mountain where it is specifically said that black ship psykers who are strong enough become space marine librarians. Sure if they find them they'll use them but they also get them this way. In the Mephiston books he specifically mentioned that he was caught and sent to Terra on the black ships. There are a few other mentions scattered throughout the lore. DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:Grey Knights use a lot more scrying and prognostication than other branches of the adeptus terra, so they probably identify suitable candidates individually and go requisition or extract them rather than perusing the psyker bin at the local Imperium Mart In Ravenor he sends the teenage psyker on the black ships after catching him and that same kid is confirmed to be the protagonist Grey Knight in The Emperor's Gift. The grey knights work closely with the inquisition.
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Jul 6, 2022 23:12
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D-Pad posted:I just got done reading the end of The Hollow Mountain where it is specifically said that black ship psykers who are strong enough become space marine librarians. Sure if they find them they'll use them but they also get them this way. In the Mephiston books he specifically mentioned that he was caught and sent to Terra on the black ships. There are a few other mentions scattered throughout the lore. A legion like the Blood Angels will have that Inquisition relationship, but there are definitely chapters that will not be getting personal deliveries from the Inquisition.
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Jul 6, 2022 23:23
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Brendan Rodgers posted:A legion like the Blood Angels will have that Inquisition relationship, but there are definitely chapters that will not be getting personal deliveries from the Inquisition. You say that, but the Celestial Lions got a personal delivery very recently.
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Jul 6, 2022 23:35
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Brendan Rodgers posted:Maybe some chapters that have a good relationship with the Inquisition, but in general the Space Marines will be finding Psykers in their own way since they're kinda separate from a lot of Imperium bureaucracy. A lot of the time they will find them on their own recruiting planet(s), or tithe planet(s), for better or worse. One of the Iron Hands books mentions the chapter trading favours/resources/etc with the Black Ships in exchange for psykers that would make suitable chapter aspirants.
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Jul 6, 2022 23:53
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Arc Hammer posted:Flight of the Eisenstein, I think? Nope, though it's related. The Buried Dagger and the other Garro stories confirm the Grey Knights were founded by a combination of loyalist death guard and loyalists from all the other legions that were seperated or exiled from their chapter. Garro has to be the dullest HH character I think. Such a dull fucker.
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Jul 6, 2022 23:57
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Brendan Rodgers posted:A legion like the Blood Angels will have that Inquisition relationship, but there are definitely chapters that will not be getting personal deliveries from the Inquisition. It's not the inquisition though, they only run the black ships. Psykers brought to Terra are turned over to the Adeptus Astra Telepathica and then they sort them to the different possibilities. You are right though that not every single chapter would be in a position to receive psykers from Terra and it's probably more likely for a first founding chapter like the Blood Angels to get not only psykers but the absolute cream of the crop.
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Shroud posted:You say that, but the Celestial Lions got a personal delivery very recently. I want you to know this did not go by unnoticed.
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