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gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
"the Soviet Union was an imperialist power" yeah okay buddy sure

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Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

the 1990s were known as the special period in Cuba because without the soviets squeezing them, they could afford a bunch more stuff

F Stop Fitzgerald
Dec 12, 2010

Atrocious Joe posted:

the 1990s were known as the special period in Cuba because without the soviets squeezing them, they could afford a bunch more stuff

lol

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world
what killed the soviet union was being economically outnumbered like 2-1 without having wormed its way into a critical part of the global supply chain

The Voice of Labor
Apr 8, 2020

critical mass doesn't count?

tokin opposition
Apr 8, 2021

I don't jailbreak the androids, I set them free.

WATCH MARS EXPRESS (2023)
the soviet union never fell, it just learned how to play the western media so well they thought it did. comrade putin has not forgotten stalinist thought

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

tokin opposition posted:

the soviet union never fell, it just learned how to play the western media so well they thought it did. comrade putin has not forgotten stalinist thought

i wish this was true so much

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
the soviets were doomed to lose the cold war, and had already long before the collapse anyway, but i dont believe a collapse of the warsaw pact and satellite states necessarily meant the end of the USSR

MLSM
Apr 3, 2021

by Azathoth
The Soviet Union’s struggle against the West was over the moment Khrushchev did his secret speech

Fish of hemp
Apr 1, 2011

A friendly little mouse!

Raskolnikov38 posted:

the soviets were doomed to lose the cold war, and had already long before the collapse anyway, but i dont believe a collapse of the warsaw pact and satellite states necessarily meant the end of the USSR

After that KGB started looting everything they could and once you lose your internal security, you're done for.

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018



Lol

F Stop Fitzgerald
Dec 12, 2010

https://twitter.com/SwampCommunist/status/1544335147377594368

e:

F Stop Fitzgerald has issued a correction as of 03:29 on Jul 6, 2022

tokin opposition
Apr 8, 2021

I don't jailbreak the androids, I set them free.

WATCH MARS EXPRESS (2023)
i'm doing my part

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
good for them. we can all support trans people in our different ways

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
Lysenko was right :hmmyes:

Blisster
Mar 10, 2010

What you are listening to are musicians performing psychedelic music under the influence of a mind altering chemical called...

tokin opposition posted:

the soviet union never fell, it just learned how to play the western media so well they thought it did. comrade putin has not forgotten stalinist thought

so cultural Marxism is real? I’m saluting right now.

Mr. Lobe
Feb 23, 2007

... Dry bones...


Blisster posted:

so cultural Marxism is real? I’m saluting right now.

Oh yeah, modern Russia is a great place to be a minority, especially a gender/sexual orientation one

tokin opposition
Apr 8, 2021

I don't jailbreak the androids, I set them free.

WATCH MARS EXPRESS (2023)

Mr. Lobe posted:

Oh yeah, modern Russia is a great place to be a minority, especially a gender/sexual orientation one

yet more lies of the occluded iron, comrade. everyone in the USSR transgends five times a day. it's actually their main source of electricity

wynott dunn
Aug 9, 2006

What is to be done?

Who or what can challenge, and stand a chance at beating, the corporate juggernauts dominating the world?
first you transgend, then you transcend

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006


You will never escape this lovely dirtball meat prison without becoming trans first it's true

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!
Wouldn't it be awesome to relearn that your political enemies are dead every day? I hope my golden years are full of people bursting into my room to announce that Kissinger died for the thousandth time.

MSDOS KAPITAL
Jun 25, 2018





Halloween Jack posted:

Wouldn't it be awesome to relearn that your political enemies are dead every day? I hope my golden years are full of people bursting into my room to announce that Kissinger died for the thousandth time.
you'll be long dead before kissinger has died for the first time

F Stop Fitzgerald
Dec 12, 2010

having to re-learn that Stalin is dead on a regular basis seems like too much for one poor man to take

The Voice of Labor
Apr 8, 2020

liebot what is the saddest thing?

trofim lysenko, standing in a blizzard atop a pile of starving children holding a dead banana tree seedling in his hands and telling it its grandseedlings will grow into fine trees and the children of the starving children will climb them and shelter from snow storms under their fronds. beria, alternately fondling his genitals and his pistol, asks "so, you uh done with those kids then?"

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
anyone here read wang hui? interesting guy

https://www.readingthechinadream.com/wang-hui-revolutionary-personality.html

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

https://twitter.com/alp1111112/status/1544802553405358080?cxt=HHwWgIC-vZrvnvAqAAAA

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021
the US nascent socialist movement was going from strength to strength in the run up to WW1.

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019


I thought that was de Tocqueville

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

you draw from a rich intellectual tradition

wynott dunn
Aug 9, 2006

What is to be done?

Who or what can challenge, and stand a chance at beating, the corporate juggernauts dominating the world?
someone earlier asked about English translations of Sankara books

got the titles of any French Sankara books that are untranslated so far handy?

Danann
Aug 4, 2013

https://twitter.com/LunaOi_VN/status/1545064271490326529

https://twitter.com/LunaOi_VN/status/1545067909168259072

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019


this came up the other day in the Epstein thread. i haven’t read his work but just based on his bio and book titles I think he was being a bit sarcastic, but this might have been lost on his UN handlers who approved the piece.

quote:

George Kent is Professor Emeritus with the University of Hawai’i. He was a professor in the Department of Political Science from 1970 until his retirement at the end of 2010.

He currently teaches online as a part-time faculty member with the Centre for Peace and Conflict Studies at the University of Sydney in Australia and also with the Transformative Social Change concentration at Saybrook University in San Francisco.

Professor Kent’s approach centers on finding remedies for social problems, especially finding ways to strengthen the weak in the face of the strong. He works on human rights, international relations, peace, development, and environmental issues, with a special focus on nutrition and children. His books include

The Political Economy of Hunger: The Silent Holocaust. New York: Praeger, 1984;
The Politics of Children’s Survival. New York: Praeger, 1991;
Children in the International Political Economy. New York: Macmillan/St. Martin’s, 1995;
Freedom from Want:The Human Right to Adequate Food. Washington, D.C.: Georgetown University Press, 2005;
(editor) Global Obligations for the Right to Food. Lanham, Maryland: Rowman & Littlefield, 2008;
Ending Hunger Worldwide. Boulder, Colorado: Paradigm Publishers, 2011.
Regulating Infant Formula. Amarillo, Texas: Hale Publishing, 2011.

Professor Kent is Co-Convener of the Commission on International Human Rights of the International Peace Research Association. He has worked as a consultant with the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations, the United Nations Children’s Fund, and several civil society organizations. He is part of the Working Group on Nutrition, Ethics, and Human Rights of the United Nations System Standing Committee on Nutrition. He is on the Governing Board of the Hawai’i Food Policy Council, which he helped to start in November 2010 (http://www.hawaiifoodpolicycouncil.org/).

animist
Aug 28, 2018

mawarannahr posted:

this came up the other day in the Epstein thread. i haven’t read his work but just based on his bio and book titles I think he was being a bit sarcastic, but this might have been lost on his UN handlers who approved the piece.

thats actually kinda amazing
imagine being the guy who rubber stamped that

Zodium
Jun 19, 2004

animist posted:

thats actually kinda amazing
imagine being the guy who rubber stamped that

yeah it's a special technical language you have to learn to be able to say leftisms in the halls of power without being immediately escorted out by security, sort of a little space where zizek's fool meets the knave and you can't tell which it is, and this guy is giving a master class here.

Southpaugh
May 26, 2007

Smokey Bacon


mawarannahr posted:

this came up the other day in the Epstein thread. i haven’t read his work but just based on his bio and book titles I think he was being a bit sarcastic, but this might have been lost on his UN handlers who approved the piece.

He's a Swift rear end bitch

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3
Nov 15, 2003

MSDOS KAPITAL posted:

So do we consider any DotP to be capitalist, here? Like I said, this sounds like capitalist realism: everything is capitalism.

I think there is a fundamental difference between the CPC having a controlling interest in 60% of the Chinese economy, and lords of capital poo poo in the West. Namely, that the CPC is acting to remove the profit incentive from those industries while capitalists are exploiting those monopolies to wring as much out of the rest of the economy as they can with them. It's an important distinction, isn't it?

Like sure they are socializing production and using profit incentives to do that, and building up productive capital, but once profit incentive becomes totally dysfunctional (i.e. at the point of monopoly, or some time before) they cut that poo poo out. A system run by capitalists wouldn't do that because the interest of the capitalist is to use that monopoly position to enrich themselves. So the Chinese system has capitalist elements and there are capitalists in China, but the Chinese system is not capital-C Capitalist because capitalists aren't in control of the state. So the reasoning goes, anyway - you can argue that they are secretly capitalist or whatever but pointing to the existence of state-run enterprises in support of that argument is :psyduck: to me at least.

Like the whole point of the turn to socialism, as I understand it, is to appropriate those monopolies and use the advanced productive capacity of them for the benefit of all. That is, to remove the profit incentive from them. Not to break them up or whatever - that's what liberal regimes sometimes do to keep the gravy train rolling a little longer. So the existence of state-controlled monopolies isn't evidence of capitalist elements - precisely the opposite, in fact.

I don't know what DotP (Dick of the Pussy, thanks mawarannahr; also no) is. Capitalism is both a mode of production and an ideology. I am talking about the mode of production. A large part of the Chinese economy participates in the capitalist mode of production. This is whether you count State enterprises as State Capitalism or not. I never claimed that China was capital-C Capitalist the way you describe. I wasn't aware of that term or its definition. Where does it come from?

Michael Hudson classifies China as a Mixed Economy. There is Capitalism. There is State-owned enterprise. Most importantly, the State controls the money supply and the lending as a bulwark against financialization. There is a lot more to it, but this is generally what he calls industrial capitalism leading to socialism. By staying focused on producing values, preventing a monied, rentier class from gaining power, development in a society will (or, at least, can) proceed on a sort of historical dialectic path towards socialism.

Your idea of the turn to socialism is similar of what most Classical Economists believed. They all talked about socialism as a sort of inevitable thing that was coming, although they disagreed on exactly what that meant or how it would happen. But they all agreed that Rent, or financialization, would be the death of it. That's what the Free Market is. That's the thing that the Market should be Free from: RENT. The neoclassicists turned it completely on its head.

You're talking about the CCP managing capitalism, and if you're managing capitalism to prevent financialization, you're not ideologically capitalist? Ok. I'm not saying otherwise.

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 has issued a correction as of 16:23 on Jul 8, 2022

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

dotp is dictatorship of the proletariat. didn’t read the rest yet

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

Coming from a functional standpoint, China certainly isn't acting like a capitalist economy. It's not launching a bajillion wars, not installing capitalist mooks in the government, more capable of handling economic crises, etc.

Honky Mao
Dec 26, 2012

China has billionaires and businesses, which is capitalistic, but on the other hand, they have authoritarianism and no democracy, which is not capitalistic

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Southpaugh
May 26, 2007

Smokey Bacon


hmmming and hawwwing over CPC

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