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Ches Neckbeard posted:Baker had 1 concussion in his pro career lol 1 reported concussion
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The I'm Spartacus scene but it's just filthy new yorkers standing up one by one to declare that Sam Darnold blows.
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Jul 7, 2022 15:45
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Controversial Opinion in 2022: Sam Darnold Was Very Bad on the Jets
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Doltos posted:1 reported concussion So 15 theoretical concussions
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$5 million for a QB is bargain bin. Baker's contract is fine even if his shoulder sucks. This trade is better than the Darnold trade. That being said Darnold was a bet on the future. This is a "well gently caress it might as well" kind of QB move that won't launch them into contender status.
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Blows my mind that TFF avoids assigning blame to QBs for not having WRs, having Adam Gase as a HC, and universally agree that Jets games are horrific, but think the only issue with that is Darnold. You throw a young QB to the wolves and this poo poo happens 10 times out of 10. I guess everyone is just Baker crazy right now.
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Doltos posted:Blows my mind that TFF avoids assigning blame to QBs for not having WRs, having Adam Gase as a HC, and universally agree that Jets games are horrific, but think the only issue with that is Darnold. You throw a young QB to the wolves and this poo poo happens 10 times out of 10. I guess everyone is just Baker crazy right now. drat Doltos that'd be a crazy thing for people to say, thanks for standing up to the people who are definitely saying that.
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Doltos posted:Blows my mind that TFF avoids assigning blame to QBs for not having WRs, having Adam Gase as a HC, and universally agree that Jets games are horrific, but think the only issue with that is Darnold. You throw a young QB to the wolves and this poo poo happens 10 times out of 10. I guess everyone is just Baker crazy right now. No one said the "only" issue was Darnold. But you did say his performance was "somewhat acceptable", which I think most people here disagree with even when considering the talent and coaching he had to deal with.
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:No one said the "only" issue was Darnold. sirtommygunn posted:Perhaps the most important player on the offense had some influence on how bad the offense was. Could be wrong on this though. Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:Woah what are these stats? I thought you believed in the eye test, cause anyone with eyes who watched four years of Sam Darnold on the Jets knows he was their biggest problem. But either way I think somewhat acceptable is a good way to describe someone with better stats than Justin Fields and Trevor Lawrence on arguably a worse team. It's hard to play QB in the league and producing a 60% completion rate throwing to Quincy Enunwa is acceptable. Saying it's not even close is like 1) weird expectations of a 3 year QB and 2) intentionally wrong for some unknown point??
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No one is saying that the Panthers gave up too much value for Baker. It's a 4 or a 5 and 5MM. who cares. It just won't work out.
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sirtommygunn posted:drat Doltos that'd be a crazy thing for people to say, thanks for standing up to the people who are definitely saying that. Idk I've been singing praises on Baker like "his contract is low cost", "he is better at QB than Sam Darnold", and "could potentially generate a comp pick more valuable than what they traded him". Clearly the thread is touting Mayfield as the next great
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Doltos posted:But either way I think somewhat acceptable is a good way to describe someone with better stats than Justin Fields and Trevor Lawrence on arguably a worse team. It's hard to play QB in the league and producing a 60% completion rate throwing to Quincy Enunwa is acceptable. Saying it's not even close is like 1) weird expectations of a 3 year QB and 2) intentionally wrong for some unknown point?? Learn to read.
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I believe Mayfield can be can be better then Andy Dalton. I believe he could, in ideal circumstances, be Derek Carr good. If he fell into a perfect situation, with enough luck, he could be carried to a Superbowl. That's loving Brad Johnson good mates.
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sirtommygunn posted:Learn to read. I mean this whole thing started with your dumb rear end post that didn't read mine at all
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sharknado slashfic posted:Time for more dubious charts     It's interesting where Brees is on these charts. I was never that impressed with him despite everyone going gaga over his stats, and I guess this explains why.
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Android Apocalypse posted:https://twitter.com/Heauxgan/status/1544739080893874176?s=20&t=OJSdVHzgIzIgdPb5swxA5Q You can sorta make the case for any of these in a vacuum. It’s the aggregate that’s pretty tough to swallow. - SOMEONE was gonna give Sam another chance. Turns out he’s actually just as bad as he looked. - Third round QBs usually don’t work out but maybe worth taking a chance on Corral if you need a QB. - Baker is decent, occasionally very good, and cheap. Sure. But I think you’d feel better if it was an established secure coach/org like SF or NE making these moves instead of Rhule.
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Who gives a poo poo about 60% complete rate when you're barely throwing down field, rarely scoring and turning the ball over in the dumbest loving manner. Also, are the Darnold era Jets a worse team than last year's Jags? I don't think so.
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SKULL.GIF posted:
Stop it, Sam is already dead.
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Sam Darnold is the next Joe Flacco.
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mcmagic posted:Stop it, Sam is already dead. These charts really don't make Baker look that good or anything but they display he's at least a couple tiers higher on most metrics than anyone Carolina has been starting. I'm also really surprised at how low Brees is. I'm assuming some of this has to do with it being late career Brees as opposed to his prime.
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:Who gives a poo poo about 60% complete rate when you're barely throwing down field, rarely scoring and turning the ball over in the dumbest loving manner. Why don't you think so? You also said he wasn't even close to acceptable very adamantly without any proof either. Barely throwing down the field is probably going to happen a lot when you have one go route guy. Gase had him running no play actions or pre snap motions because Peyton didn't do that. That's going to make anyone look bad. Turning the ball over in the dumbest loving manner was a known quantity when he was drafted. Many QBs do that until they adjust to NFL speed. Again I don't exactly know how all these things together are excuses for every other QB but Darnold for this situation? Seems perfectly fine to rationalize the Panthers trade for him and to also say they overpaid.
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Forrest on Fire posted:I'm also really surprised at how low Brees is. I'm assuming some of this has to do with it being late career Brees as opposed to his prime. The thing is, you'd expect a late career QB to be experienced enough to consistently make good decisions, right? Brees is middle-of-the-league on that criteria, while being far and away the best QB for execution, which is kinda the opposite of what you'd expect for an ailing, aged QB. The Decision vs. Execution chart (3rd of the ones I posted) kinda shows that I guess, with Brady being the #1 decision QB, Brees the #1 execution, and Rodgers a balance between the two.
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Mega64 posted:Sam Darnold is the next Joe Flacco. joe flacco was successful for a time
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Mega64 posted:Sam Darnold is the next Joe Flacco. Flacco did win the Super Bowl
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Mega64 posted:Sam Darnold is the next Joe Flacco. Joe F’lacco was much cooler and more beloved than Sam D’arnold
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Speaking of Sam Darnold, I recently learned that the Panthers had a Dan Arnold on the team. Sadly he was traded away a few months ago.
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Android Apocalypse posted:https://twitter.com/Heauxgan/status/1544739080893874176?s=20&t=OJSdVHzgIzIgdPb5swxA5Q Moves before corral were when Rhule had total control. By all reports it’s fitterers team now. I don’t hate either qb move in a vacuum. The panthers have done everything they can to get a qb. Their only other option is rolling the dice on a reclamation project or hitting on a draft pick. We had this discussion in the nfc south thread and the only realistic other qb option the panthers had was taking Justin fields.
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SKULL.GIF posted:The thing is, you'd expect a late career QB to be experienced enough to consistently make good decisions, right? Brees is middle-of-the-league on that criteria, while being far and away the best QB for execution, which is kinda the opposite of what you'd expect for an ailing, aged QB. Like most “advanced stats” based on people watching plays, guessing at what was supposed to happen, and then assigning blame for their guess not happening, I think these charts are pretty useless. But Brees simply could not throw to the full field by the end of his career. His decision making was limited by the throws he could execute. So he might make a poor “read” because he knows he can’t actually get the ball to that receiver with enough accuracy and velocity and will instead make the sun-optimal read and execute it well because it’s still within his physical capabilities. It’s absolutely a late career thing. He struggled making throws past about 15 yards, especially as the season wore on.
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The real question on everyone's mind is who contributes more to society via charitable function - Darnold or Baker?
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SKULL.GIF posted:
Bugs the hell out of me that they’re showing Brady for New England and Jameis for Tampa. In the time frame shown Brady has been with Tampa for 2 years and Jameis only 1. I guess because in the year the stats start is the team they’re on but it’s still dumb
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Amy Pole Her posted:The real question on everyone's mind is who contributes more to society via charitable function - Darnold or Baker?
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kidcoelacanth posted:joe flacco was successful for a time Flacco did have a few actual good seasons, namely from 10-12 where he had over 10 TD more than picks. Then in 2014 he hit that mark again. He was never a top 10 player though outside of that postseason run. But Darnold's absolute best isn't as good as an average Flacco year Just like the old Flacco vs Ryan debate where Ryan is a clear and obvious winner outside of that one postseason. Flacco's best seasons were always about an average year for Ryan and he never came close to having a good year comparable to a good year for Ryan. But that was always a weird debate because they were never projected to be equal quality players to begin with. If the Ravens had started their 2007 slide earlier and lost two more games we would have taken Ryan in that draft and never regretted it. That would be a fun timeline to get to look at. But we never will.
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https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1545103234305490944
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The Raiders need more lawyers anyways.
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I bet the chairpeople of the nevada gaming control board were much cooler 40 years ago.
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mcmagic posted:I bet the chairpeople of the nevada gaming control board were much cooler 40 years ago.
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Diva Cupcake posted:Harry Reid was never cool, even when he was portrayed in 'Casino'. This is very wrong. There is a good argument that Harry Reid is the coolest democrat of my lifetime.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/jeffzrebiec/status/1545124393990475778 This is v good because they needed another pass rusher, and Justin Houston was better than last year’s numbers suggested. 
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mcmagic posted:This is very wrong. There is a good argument that Harry Reid is the coolest democrat of my lifetime. Anything times zero is still zero
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