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kazil posted:It's a point worth debate in a show where the protagonist has body image issues, no? I don't want to dismiss the point outright but great grandma wasn't running around in a 90s Psylocke-esque leotard. Like Zoe did, actually.
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kazil posted:It's a point worth debate in a show where the protagonist has body image issues, no? No, because this version of Kamala has very little narrative about body image problems and the show generally shows an average person as not having to be constantly insecure about it until told it’s okay. chitoryu12 fucked around with this message at 03:04 on Jul 8, 2022 |
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tsob posted:I think it's more the fact she had focus and was given time to show her character, than anything she did in particular really. It's like the first few minutes of Up!; nothing it did was spectacular or particularly deep or anything, but it just did it real well, and that was enough to get people emotional. This isn't as well done by any means, but it's not as emotionally devastating either. I'm pretty sure the people praising it are mostly praising the fact it was allowed the time to tell the story it wanted, rather than the depths of the characters or anything. Yeah he was a neat character, and to be clear I do want to say that on its own it did make a good story and I'm glad it was told. Even on a personal level; I knew poo poo about the partition so I'm glad for the education. I probably would be a thousand times less salty if this was a 10 episode or even 8 episode series.
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chitoryu12 posted:No, because this version of Kamala has very little narrative about body image problems and the show generally shows an average person as not having to be constantly insecure about it until told it’s okay. That's my point, though. I don't fully agree with OP, but we can have well reasoned debate without resorting to dismissive bullshit.
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chitoryu12 posted:That is what Mehwish Hayat normally looks like with basic TV makeup, and I will not take back "weird incel" because this was the edited in paragraph: I'm not talking about Iman Vellani. I was talking about the actress for Aisha, as well as the people talking about how Kamala's powers needed to be changed from the comics so that they could be more comfortable with her appearance. Internalizing the idea that women are obligated to change their bodies to make society more comfortable is one of the things that really drives body image issues, and I don't think this show or it's audience quite crosses that line... but sometimes it skims up against it. It's just an issue I have a hair-trigger on, because it happens so often. VFX and the way female superheroine's powers are portrayed in film are not an apolitical topic: She-Hulk VFX Team Was Reportedly Told To Make Her "Smaller"
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XboxPants posted:as well as the people talking about how Kamala's powers needed to be changed from the comics so that they could be more comfortable with her appearance They were changed because stretchy powers in live action are really loving hard and expensive to get looking okay.
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XboxPants posted:I'm not talking about Iman Vellani. I was talking about the actress for Aisha, as well as the people talking about how Kamala's powers needed to be changed from the comics so that they could be more comfortable with her appearance. Internalizing the idea that women are obligated to change their bodies to make society more comfortable is one of the things that really drives body image issues, and I don't think this show or it's audience quite crosses that line... but sometimes it skims up against it. Aisha looks like her actress with basic makeup appropriate for Indian culture. This version of Kamala is not insecure enough about her body that she’s wildly changing size and stretching. Get used to normal people existing by you.
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Cythereal posted:They were changed because stretchy powers in live action are really loving hard and expensive to get looking okay. They're also often less "oh they make the person look awkward or unattractive" and more "body horror that is actively off-putting".
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The last superhero show with a non evil character who are hard to look at was Umbrella Academy S3 and that was probably 10th on the call sheet. It’s fine to have attractive people on television as long as being attractive isn’t their only character trait. It would be cool if relationships of mixed beauty happened without it being a huge, “he’s out of my league” plotline. I think the show does a decent job of that.
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The irony is that every male Avenger except Rhodey has had a gratuitous topless scene.
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It's like they don't even get the appeal of the character
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live with fruit posted:The irony is that every male Avenger except Rhodey has had a gratuitous topless scene. Digitally deaged Michael Douglas hasn't had his time to shine yet.  e: guess he wasn't ever an Avenger though...
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So Marvel Studios will actually have two panels at SDCC this year, one for animation and one for live-action. Interesting https://twitter.com/TheEricGoldman/status/1545454954026237952
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FlamingLiberal posted:Daredevil revival announcement? that'd be in the live-action Hall H panel on Saturday, but possibly. but keep in mind that Marvel Studios is also going to be at D23 in September, so some announcements will inevitably be saved for that
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live with fruit posted:Love & Thunder was good but did Taweret's invitation to the god party get lost in the mail? I mean, Ra was there so I'm guessing Tawaret just didn't rank as being good enough. Which is bullshit, she definitely is!
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On reflection, about this solid 3/5 movie that I like, I'm not sure how I feel about Asgard being turned into a tourist attraction for laughs. A mighty race of space vikings, who suffered at the hands of Thanos pre-Snap so their 50% deaths are never returning, who died fighting Hela before that, and Thanos again at the final Avengers compound battle, mighty beings that literal gods lived among... and now they're a discount Disneyland doing cheap stage plays of all their pain so they can sell "Infinity Cones" ice-cream and get money from tourists. This is like an Indian reservation casino, a broken people forced to do something gross to survive, and it's played for laughs. For how much we lauded Ragnarok and Taika for broadening the diversity and inclusivity, it seems particularly tone deaf for Asgard to be reduced to... well, this. They could be selling their skills, their technology, their experience, but nope they're broken and poor and pathetic and isn't that something to laugh at? It's humiliating, frankly. And the more I think about it, the more it bothers me.
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On the Asgardians. After getting murdered by Hela, Odin is gone, Heimdall is gone, the Valkyries are gone, Asgard is gone. They have Thor as the only really powerful Asgardian left and he's never around. It appeared to me even back at the end of Ragnarok when they were fleeing Asgard on that spaceship, they had essentially become a population of refugees. They're on earth now as a shadow of what they formally were. I was surprised they somehow managed to get those floating ships again. I didn't think the way they were presented was out of place. And playing it for laughs was ok in my opinion, probably better than making a super serious statement about how pathetic they've become. I'm not sure if Taika Waititi knows how to do that anyway. But I loved this movie, thought it was great, and hope he does another.
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T:L&T— They are space Vikings, so their attitude towards death is different than most people. The people who died fighting Thanos and Hela are in Valhalla which is like the best possible outcome for a space Viking.
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May be the minority opinion here but can Thor talk go in the Thor thread in CD? The TV thread always turns into a minefield of spoiler bars when a movie comes out which makes it a pain to read and follow If its just me then I'll just stfu and go away till I've watched Thor but just putting the idea out there because it also makes it easier to go back and read peoples thoughts about it when you do get round to seeing it
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Dragonstoned posted:May be the minority opinion here but can Thor talk go in the Thor thread in CD? The TV thread always turns into a minefield of spoiler bars when a movie comes out which makes it a pain to read and follow I've said this before in the Star Wars TV thread and it's a little lovely but most of the time the TV shows and Movies are so intwined that keeping TV and movie discussions in their separate threads is kind of hard. Granted Star Wars movies aren't really popping out right now but I personally don't follow the movie threads just because the series come out more frequently and it's one less thread I need to follow/discuss. Also after the movie's been out for a while the movie thread just sorta dies off whereas this thread won't be going anywhere soon since it'll cover all shows and future shows so yeah. I haven't seen the movie either and it's a bunch of spoiler bars for me as well but I think it's just something we can live it. However, if it's just me then I'll just stfu.
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Dragonstoned posted:May be the minority opinion here but can Thor talk go in the Thor thread in CD? The TV thread always turns into a minefield of spoiler bars when a movie comes out which makes it a pain to read and follow I agree. Unless its something that directly impacts a current or recent show, then it makes sense. Otherwise, whats the point of the movie having its own thread? Maybe there should be a generic MCU spoiler thread. Is that a thing I just dont know about?
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Anita Dickinme posted:I've said this before in the Star Wars TV thread and it's a little lovely but most of the time the TV shows and Movies are so intwined that keeping TV and movie discussions in their separate threads is kind of hard. Granted Star Wars movies aren't really popping out right now but I personally don't follow the movie threads just because the series come out more frequently and it's one less thread I need to follow/discuss. Also after the movie's been out for a while the movie thread just sorta dies off whereas this thread won't be going anywhere soon since it'll cover all shows and future shows so yeah. I haven't seen the movie either and it's a bunch of spoiler bars for me as well but I think it's just something we can live it. But that's just my inclination. Consider it another vote for segregating discussion, if that's on the table, but I can live with it either way.
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I think it'll be mostly ok as long as posters are good about labeling spoilers. There's not a ton going on that needs spoiling for Ms. Marvel atm, and by the time the next episode is out the Thor chat will probably have died down somewhat.
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I saw this today for sale at Disney World. 
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Zero One posted:I saw this today for sale at Disney World. You're wearing it aren't you?
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Personally, I find the tone between MCU talk here and CD wildly different. Over there, it feels like people hate watch the movies so it's just everyone taking turns talking about how dumb and infantile it all is. Which doesn't make for an enjoyable discussion.
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You don't post in CD if you like movies, that's not how it works
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FlamingLiberal posted:I'm assuming that thing was like $1000 Only $128 https://www.shopdisney.com/ms.-marvel-dress-for-women-2140057753141MS.html And I'm not wearing it because it doesn't fit me. Edit. Couple more things...  
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For once I underpriced Disney, shocking
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Zero One posted:I saw this today for sale at Disney World. Honestly, that's a pretty dress.
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Was I seeing wrong or did the new logo look like it had Ms. Marvel in her mask in the "A" right before the pictures faded out? I'm guessing they will probably slowly phase out the older characters in the logo and phase in the new ones
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live with fruit posted:Personally, I find the tone between MCU talk here and CD wildly different. Over there, it feels like people hate watch the movies so it's just everyone taking turns talking about how dumb and infantile it all is. Which doesn't make for an enjoyable discussion. I stopped posting in CD when in the Winter Soldier thread someone posted "All Superhero movies are fascist indoctrination" and a whole shitload of goons agreed with it.
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