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Kegluneq
Feb 18, 2011

Mr President, the physical reality of Prime Minister Corbyn is beyond your range of apprehension. If you'll just put on these PINKOVISION glasses...

https://twitter.com/SpillerOfTea/status/1545457121470418944?t=phOSp9ngYCuul4VoLUPl5A&s=19

:allears:

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Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

Crisis to Rishis

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

OwlFancier posted:

I could definitely fight any politician in a lift and win.

Been thinking about this for a few minutes, can't think of a single British or Irish politician I couldn't beat the poo poo out of in a lift. The US probably has some hard ex-Marine lads though.

Big Arlene might be fairly tasty tho

deletebeepbeepbeep
Nov 12, 2008

Failed Imagineer posted:

Been thinking about this for a few minutes, can't think of a single British or Irish politician I couldn't beat the poo poo out of in a lift. The US probably has some hard ex-Marine lads though.

Big Arlene might be fairly tasty tho

Clive Lewis? He was in the TA, don't you know.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Brendan Rodgers posted:

To which point would you go back with a time machine to help Ed? You have one use of the machine and you come out naked like in Terminator.

I don't know that I would have, tbh, seems like a lot of effort to salvage something that I don't think is really worth it and I can't think of anything that would help short of teleporting directly on top of david cameron and crushing him to death in the middle of the campaign.

I would probably put more effort into corbyn because for all his faults I still can't really think of anyone I would rather have as PM, the same things that made him unable to become it also make him probably the best candidate. But even then it's rather hard to imagine how it could help. So many structural forces in the way.

The other option is "To the point that the first tetrapod crawled out of the sea and I would loving punt that little poo poo back in before keeling over cos of atmosphere."

OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 18:46 on Jul 8, 2022

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


https://twitter.com/demarionunn/status/1545455873476235266?s=20&t=LNDApIzKkYZdQK05sWkV9A

Entire thread is nightmare fodder & well worth a look, but man, that loving photo of Toby Young (the one with the green shirt in the collection of 4). I've never seen such powerful divorced dad energy. Looks like he's on his way to the club to try & pick up some 19 year old student only to be continually rejected because he's Toby Young, look at the oval office.

Mr Phillby
Apr 8, 2009

~TRAVIS~

massive spider posted:

Authoritarians secretly love when their leaders do this unscrupulous poo poo because they see scruples as weakness and like to root for the "winning" team.

A heterosexual man having extramarital affairs with women is shithead behaviour but it’s the fun, cheeky kind of scandal to other shitheads. The personal responsibility argument would just say that’s his personal business.
Yeah so? If they want to frame it that way its good to point out that they're massive hypocrites.

You can't be pro men having extra marital affairs then talk about a single mother needing to take 'personal responsibility', it should be pointed out repeatedly. If they think having no scruples is good actually then force them to say that and to own that imo.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Mr Phillby posted:

Yeah so? If they want to frame it that way its good to point out that they're massive hypocrites.

You can't be pro men having extra marital affairs then talk about a single mother needing to take 'personal responsibility', it should be pointed out repeatedly. If they think having no scruples is good actually then force them to say that and to own that imo.

When has pointing out right-wing hypocrisy ever loving worked?

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Mr Phillby posted:

Yeah so? If they want to frame it that way its good to point out that they're massive hypocrites.

You can't be pro men having extra marital affairs then talk about a single mother needing to take 'personal responsibility', it should be pointed out repeatedly. If they think having no scruples is good actually then force them to say that and to own that imo.

Yes you can if the underlying point is that women should be objects for men to do with as they please. And I think recent history have shown that it is entirely possible for people to have what I can only call "constructive posession" of that idea and others, they have all the parts of the idea and it can be assembled at any time, but they spend the overwhelming majority of their time focusing on the parts alone, and will studiously deny that the assembled whole is the point, to the extent that they may even believe it.

Mr Phillby
Apr 8, 2009

~TRAVIS~

forkboy84 posted:

When has pointing out right-wing hypocrisy ever loving worked?

When has accepting their framing worked either?

keep punching joe
Jan 22, 2006

Die Satan!
That big SNP lad with the ponytail looks like he'd be tasty in a fight. Certainly has the reach.

sebzilla
Mar 17, 2009

Kid's blasting everything in sight with that new-fangled musket.


Brendan Rodgers posted:

To which point would you go back with a time machine to help Ed? You have one use of the machine and you come out naked like in Terminator.

I'd appear naked in front of whoever was taking that bacon sandwich photo and ruin the shot

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

-~Skullwave~-

kingturnip posted:

There's also an argument that Ed Miliband listened to the usual morons within Labour about how to run a campaign until far too late.
He actually came close to being personable in the last few weeks before polling day, and it's possible he would have done better if he'd shown that side of himself earlier. For most of his time as leader he gave the impression he'd just walked into the wrong room and didn't know what he was doing there.

I can somewhat believe it. He started a light politics/chat podcast (Reasons to be Cheerful) after the election that I listened to for a bit, and he came across as a lot better there than as leader. Pretty moderate centre left stuff in the main, and quite personable.

Unfortunately he much hosed it as leader and his policies then were mostly tepid bilgewater, so it doesn't really matter how personally nice or actually good he is if he bottles it and concedes to the right when it matters.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

deletebeepbeepbeep posted:

Clive Lewis? He was in the TA, don't you know.

I had to Google but I reckon I have about a foot in height and 50lbs on him, man's getting wreckedd on sight

keep punching joe posted:

That big SNP lad with the ponytail looks like he'd be tasty in a fight. Certainly has the reach.

This is more like it

Failed Imagineer fucked around with this message at 19:11 on Jul 8, 2022

sebzilla
Mar 17, 2009

Kid's blasting everything in sight with that new-fangled musket.


Wonder who the Graun favours as Tory leader?

https://twitter.com/MickeyMarxClub/status/1545335922761277441?t=cYDmMG4UvMjCfFd9UEVdOA&s=19

Cimber
Feb 3, 2014
By the way, why do conservatives have the nickname Tories? Does Labour have a nickname, or don't they because their name is already one syllable?

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Cimber posted:

By the way, why do conservatives have the nickname Tories? Does Labour have a nickname, or don't they because their name is already one syllable?

tóraidh is the Irish/Scottish Gaelic word for a robbing scumbag. No joke

Just Another Lurker
May 1, 2009

Cimber posted:

By the way, why do conservatives have the nickname Tories? Does Labour have a nickname, or don't they because their name is already one syllable?

Tory comes from an old Irish word for thief... more of a description than a nickname.

edit: beaten, but you now have two sources for verification. ;)

WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

Cimber posted:

By the way, why do conservatives have the nickname Tories? Does Labour have a nickname, or don't they because their name is already one syllable?

As a political term, Tory was an insult (derived from the Middle Irish word tóraidhe, modern Irish tóraí, meaning "outlaw", "robber", from the Irish word tóir, meaning "pursuit" since outlaws were "pursued men") that entered English politics during the Exclusion Bill crisis of 1678–1681.

Cimber
Feb 3, 2014
i...I really don't know what to say about that. LOL.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Failed Imagineer posted:

tóraidh is the Irish/Scottish Gaelic word for a robbing scumbag. No joke

It is genuinely one of the best words in british/irish politics. I genuinely enjoy that everyone just calls them the thieving party.

although I guess it is a little bit crack ping inducing at the same time.


I really kind of want sunak to win just so that he has to carry around a crate everywhere to stand on. Gonna shoot that fucker like ian mckellan in lord of the rings.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013





Where is his left ear?

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting

Failed Imagineer posted:

Been thinking about this for a few minutes, can't think of a single British or Irish politician I couldn't beat the poo poo out of in a lift. The US probably has some hard ex-Marine lads though.

Big Arlene might be fairly tasty tho

Eric Joyce

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

cinci zoo sniper posted:

Where is his left ear?

austerity

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013





If we take into consideration that “auss” means an ear in Latvian, I can only concur.

Just Another Lurker
May 1, 2009

cinci zoo sniper posted:

Where is his left ear?

We all have to learn to make sacrifices in these troubling times.... i wonder what he got for the ear? :devil:

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.

WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:

As a political term, Tory was an insult (derived from the Middle Irish word tóraidhe, modern Irish tóraí, meaning "outlaw", "robber", from the Irish word tóir, meaning "pursuit" since outlaws were "pursued men") that entered English politics during the Exclusion Bill crisis of 1678–1681.

This is incredible

In a couple hundred years then, might the conservative party happily adopt "The Cunts" to describe themselves?

Mebh
May 10, 2010


Guavanaut posted:

Will this work?


Having missed out on the corbyn ones last time, man i want one of these.

Also

WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:

Did you think you were hallucinating the coup against Boris

I need to know your fever dreams as this news was playing out as it is probably interesting

I will also say I'm glad you're okay
Sleeping for 18 hours is fun.

I didn't know about the coup until I got a message from my mum saying he'd resigned. Which I apparently responded with a garbled message about eggs. Thanks Crispix.

She then sent me a pulse oximeter in the post.

The only fever dream I had was about buying everyone at work doughnuts. Only to find my boss had bought donuts for everyone.

I also joined the IWGB and bought a a £600 plumbed in water filter, heater and cooler for the kitchen on finance. So that's fun. Also bought some live ladybird larvae and two easter eggs arrived today. I don't even know.

I made fajitas on the bbq and pruned the pear tree at 4am and have no memory of it, i do have a post it note here that says "Pear rust. Bastards" on it.

Don't do covid folks. Not even once.

Reveilled
Apr 19, 2007

Take up your rifles

Cimber posted:

i...I really don't know what to say about that. LOL.

To give a little more context of the line from the original term to today, England went through a period where Absolutism and Catholicism became linked to the Stuart monarchs, so people who were loyal to the Stuarts in Ireland during the interregnum were often catholic rebels, hence them getting the Tory name. Later when the monarchy was restored, supporters of James II, who was Catholic, were analogised to these earlier catholic rebels and labelled the same. Thus, the notion of being a Tory was associated with being supportive of the Divine Right of Kings, being supportive of The King (especially the old King), and being opposed to “modern” political ideas (“modern” here meaning things like “giving more power to parliament instead of the king” but also “all catholics are potential traitors”).

This meant that when the question of a Stuart restoration was stone dead, it became perfectly natural for champions of new ideas to label their enemies as Tories by analogy, suggesting them to be stooges for the monarch and—worst of all—secret catholics. Eventually the insult lost its punch and it just became the generic term for the conservative pro-aristocracy faction in parliament. And this all pre-dates the actual Conservative party as a formal political organisation, so there’s a fair argument to be made that “the Conservatives” is actually the nickname and Tories the real one rather than the other way round.

Reveilled fucked around with this message at 19:45 on Jul 8, 2022

kingturnip
Apr 18, 2008

Mebh posted:

I made fajitas on the bbq and pruned the pear tree at 4am and have no memory of it, i do have a post it note here that says "Pear rust. Bastards" on it.

Looking forward to the new Pear Rust flavour of fudge, tbh

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Pears of Rust sounds like a very low effort Years of Lead, so apt for Britain.

https://twitter.com/SkyeSharkie/status/1544601528094208000

Cimber
Feb 3, 2014

Reveilled posted:

To give a little more context of the line from the original term to today, England went through a period where Absolutism and Catholicism became linked to the Stuart monarchs, so people who were loyal to the Stuarts in Ireland during the interregnum were often catholic rebels, hence them getting the Tory name. Later when the monarchy was restored, supporters of James II, who was Catholic, were analogised to these earlier catholic rebels and labelled the same. Thus, the notion of being a Tory was associated with being supportive of the Divine Right of Kings, being supportive of The King (especially the old King), and being opposed to “modern” political ideas (“modern” here meaning things like “giving more power to parliament instead of the king” but also “all catholics are potential traitors”).

This meant that when the question of a Stuart restoration was stone dead, it became perfectly natural for champions of new ideas to label their enemies as Tories by analogy, suggesting them to be stooges for the monarch and—worst of all—secret catholics. Eventually the insult lost its punch and it just became the generic term for the conservative pro-aristocracy faction in parliament. And this all pre-dates the actual Conservative party as a formal political organisation, so there’s a fair argument to be made that “the Conservatives” is actually the nickname and Tories the real one rather than the other way round.

Very interesting. So right until before WW1 a Conservative meant someone who was a monarchist, a Liberal was someone who was a Lockian/Smithian free trade/capitalism/individual mandate libertarian type, and Labour was someone who was a socialist. That about right?

McFlurry Fan #1
Dec 31, 2005

He can't kill me. I'm indestructible. Everybody knows that

loving 'Ready for Rishi' sounds like a video game the contestants of the apprentice would come up with.

They've all got it ridiculously easy at the next election though, just give it large about how you'll continue all the Brexit and freedom and economy that Boris fixed for us all but you'll do it with good old English honesty, while Keith carries on thinking that winning PMQs is the way to win an election

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Guavanaut posted:

Pears of Rust sounds like a very low effort Years of Lead, so apt for Britain.

https://twitter.com/SkyeSharkie/status/1544601528094208000

I have been laughing at this on and off since yesterday, genuinely amazing, he even nails the speaking style of the actors, absolutely incredible work from jordan bee movie peterson.

Hidingo Kojimba
Mar 29, 2010

WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:

As a political term, Tory was an insult (derived from the Middle Irish word tóraidhe, modern Irish tóraí, meaning "outlaw", "robber", from the Irish word tóir, meaning "pursuit" since outlaws were "pursued men") that entered English politics during the Exclusion Bill crisis of 1678–1681.

Also, while it probably has no direct etymological link and is just pure coincidence, Tory island is also the mythological home of the fomorians and their king Balor of the Evil Eye.

Chubby Henparty
Aug 13, 2007



they must choose the mp with an arrow through his head, a wild and kerrrazy guy

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

While it's a good rule-of-thumb not to get in a fistfight with anyone with the surname Joyce, this guy is 61 and a child molester so I think I'd give it a go

WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

Hidingo Kojimba posted:

Also, while it probably has no direct etymological link and is just pure coincidence, Tory island is also the mythological home of the fomorians and their king Balor of the Evil Eye.


Tory Island the mythological home of Boris the Evil Eye

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.

McFlurry Fan #1 posted:

loving 'Ready for Rishi' sounds like a video game the contestants of the apprentice would come up with.

It's just one of those mobile games where you have to line up same-colour pound coins to make them disappear from the treasury

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Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Cimber posted:

Does Labour have a nickname, or don't they because their name is already one syllable?

a) it's two syllables

b) not really, although often referred to by their political persuasion (e.g. Bennites, Blairites)

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