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Cimber posted:Very interesting. So right until before WW1 a Conservative meant someone who was a monarchist, a Liberal was someone who was a Lockian/Smithian free trade/capitalism/individual mandate libertarian type, and Labour was someone who was a socialist. That about right? I'd say that over the course of the 19th century as Parliamentary democracy began more and more to be seen as Britain's traditional and correct form of government, Conservativism/Toryism began to become more strongly associated less with monarchism per se, and more with a sort of paternalist view favouring economic interventionism and limited social programs, essentially trying to stave off the rise of socialism by attempting to align the interests of the aristocracy and the new working class, preserving their own political power at a financial cost. This was what's usually called "one-nation conservativism". Lest that seem too altruistic, I'd note that you could easily read this as the British aristocracy identifying the up-and-coming capitalists as their actual class enemies and cleverly coming up with a system that let them tax their enemies and then use the money to buy the loyalty of the poor--from the perspective of 19th century European aristrocrats, revolutions most came about as a result of the middle class getting mad and mobilising the poor to kill them, so presenting yourselves as the defenders of the interests of the working class was a shrewd move. Ultimately of course, industrialisation couldn't be stopped, and the logic of capitalism ultimately converted basically every aristocrat into one, at which point that distinction started to become a little moot. By the early-mid 20th century, the Tories and Liberals had essentially converged on policy, and after Labour took over as the second party of government from the Liberals, the Tories themselves became the party of free-market capitalism. But you'll still from time to time see them try to brand their meager social reforms as "one-nation conservativism" like they actually give a poo poo about poor people any time it looks like the winds are swinging against them.
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Tesseraction posted:a) it's two syllables Attleeites.
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Does a Corbynite evolve into a Corbynista if it wins enough ideological posting battles
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I believe it happens by opening a bottle of prosecco.
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forkboy84 posted:https://twitter.com/demarionunn/status/1545455873476235266?s=20&t=LNDApIzKkYZdQK05sWkV9A TBH maybe I'm just jaded by everything but the thing that threw me the most was the sudden "Here's Mick Hucknell faffing with his phone".
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Of course jess phillips is there too
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Guavanaut posted:Pears of Rust Pardon?
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Tesseraction posted:a) it's two syllables I think you mean zaNU-LIE-bore or whatever madness the daily mail comment section comes up with.
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zaNU-LIE-boural CONservocrats there are all same
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we all live in the Con-Dem Nation
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OwlFancier posted:I could definitely fight any politician in a lift and win. Had to go back and check if that absolute unit in the photo with the queen was a pol (no he wasn't); pinned by default, stuck shuffling against the lift side.
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Guavanaut posted:zaNU-LIE-boural CONservocrats there are all same CONservocraps, thank you. CONservorats would also have been accepted as an answer.
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I'm socially lie-bore-al, economically conservocrap.
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NoneMoreNegative posted:Had to go back and check if that absolute unit in the photo with the queen was a pol (no he wasn't); pinned by default, stuck shuffling against the lift side. In that instance the lift would simply exceed the rated load and I would plummet to the bottom of the shaft screaming bloody victory, and him being heavier I would end up on top, pinfall.
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Mebh posted:Having missed out on the corbyn ones last time, man i want one of these Same. It's been a hell of a few years
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A new gang tag would be nice, mainly I want shot of this stupid Pissflaps one though
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It's still pending, I'll post an update when that changes.
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E: nah
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sebzilla posted:A new gang tag would be nice, mainly I want shot of this stupid Pissflaps one though Yeah that'd be nice now that I think about it..
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https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/dwp-could-monitor-your-bank-24429526 (sorry, it's a Reach link so full of flashing whirly bits on the page). quote:DWP could monitor your bank account and social media as part of new clampdown
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jormboly corbny being PM would be 1984 but in order to monitor the undesirables we demand access to every fiscal decision you ever make so we can judge your worthiness.
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 A front page so good, they had to use it again! edit: 
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/dwp-could-monitor-your-bank-24429526 "And error" doing some lifting in that statement.
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Failed Imagineer posted:Does a Corbynite evolve into a Corbynista if it wins enough ideological posting battles
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I absolutely cannot wait to see them all stab each other in the back during the leadership campaign, only to then have to publicly rally round the last oval office standing and pretend like they weren't twisting the knife a week previously.
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Gove Verb Present participle goving Past tense goved Past participle goved Bobby Deluxe posted:all stab each other in the back during the leadership campaign, only to then have to publicly rally round the last oval office standing and pretend like they weren't twisting the knife a week previously.
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Scientastic posted:Gove Past tense is goven
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:Past tense is goven actually goven is the plural "even the stationary cupboard was looted by a goven of cunts" "no goven too large for the guilotine!"
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https://twitter.com/addicted2newz/status/1545123920256311296?s=19 Strange how cuddly mental health advocate Alastair Campbell shot straight into death threats the second he was confronted about who he actually is.
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when you're such a oval office that carter burke is the good guy
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Kemi Badenoch launches bid to be Conservative leader https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62103360 lol, bless 
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like guys you're in the tory party and you're not white, you're never going to be leader
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crispix posted:like guys you're in the tory party and you're not white, you're never going to be leader If you don't think Priti is stone cold enough to backstab her way there...
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None of braverman, javid or sunak are white.
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They don't care about the colour of you skin provided you show psychotic loyalty to white supremacy
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